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Abraham speaks to me...

Spiderman

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Hi Spiderman. Good afternoon. You are taking the Law out of context. Let's go to Exodus 20:

"4 You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 you shall not bow down to them, or serve them; for I Yahweh your Elohim am a jealous El, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and the fourth generation of those that hate me, 6 and showing mercy to thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments."

It says we're not to make likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or the earth beneath. So are we allowed to draw pictures? Do you have any children? Or do you know of any children? Children love to draw pictures, matter of fact, I'm of the opinion that many of those cave drawings were not done by full grown men but by children. The world today erroneously holds the theory of evolution and therefore they think the people of the past were stupid, but that's for another debate. Is this sinful? The context tells us that these people that do these things 'hate me' or hate Yahweh. Does someone that draws a picture of their family, or even take a photograph, or draws an animal, or some scenic scene, sinning? Do these people hate Yahweh? No of course not. The focus of this Law is upon those that 'bow down' to them and 'serve them'.

You seem to know quite a lot of Bible, so I won't even bother use references, but you realize that the Solomonic Temple had engravings of flowers, trees and other aspects of Yahweh's creations on the Temple walls. It also had a huge depiction of the Cherubim. Solomon also created the molten sea, on a base of 12 oxen. Do you remember these things? Or are you so desperate to find fault with Yahweh's character, that you are becoming irrational?

There is nothing wrong with making a graven image, or drawing a picture, so long as we are certain that we do not bow down to it or worship it. Yahweh's Word is consistent.



Esau wasn't a converted person, and he actually sold his birthright to Jacob, do you remember this? Every idle word that men shall speak they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment (Matthew 12:36). Would it then really have been right for Esau to receive the blessing? I can only imagine where the Assembly of Yahweh would have gone if Esau would have become the leader and bishop of the Assembly. Esau wasn't completely converted. He despised his birthright, but he wanted to be blessed anyway. Yahweh told Rebekah in Genesis 25:23:

"Two nations are in thy womb,
And two peoples shall be separated from thy bowels:
And the one people shall be stronger than the other people;
And the elder shall serve the younger."

She was only trying to bring about Yahweh's will.



As I said, there is absolutely no way that a necromancer, can bring up the dead. They are abomination to Yahweh according to his Law (Deuteronomy 18:10-12). If the righteous dead could be consulted, why didn't Moses try to consult Abraham, Isaac or Jacob for advice? Or, any of the prophets down through history. If you want to believe the lie, that a wicked necromancer has the power to bring up the dead, that's up to you. Only Yahweh can bring up the dead and that's through a resurrection. Do you remember Joseph's death? When people die, that's it. They are dead. We can mourn for them, and this is the right thing to do because they no longer are with us (Genesis 50:9-11). Have you ever read Ecclesiastes:

"5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 As well their love, as their hatred and their envy, is perished long ago; neither have they any more a portion forever in anything that is done under the sun."

The breath has already returned to Yahweh, so how can that person be brought up, especially by a wicked necromancer. As I said, impossible.
Necromancer and the spirits connected to God is not the same thing...


God called a Polytheist Babylon monarch who loved the whore of Babylon, Inanna, Queen of heaven, called him Messiah, anointed one, made him more successful than he made Moses, and the Pagan Chris, called "ruler of the universe, king of the four corners of the world and the 8 pointed morning star (Lucifer), and the city most known for wickedness.

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God called him Messiah, and helped make him the greatest conquer, largest Empire to exist at that time, and still the world record for the most humble Emperor who demonstrated love for his enemies especially, investing so much money into the temple and protection of Abraham believers on such a large chunk of the world (on the verge of getting exterminated) historians show signs that he kept the Abrahamic faith alive, influential, significant, and with political power.

He also made it just as safe to be a Jew in Israel , as Babylon, Iran, and countless other regions they were hated, he served God's people better than Moses , or any of Yahweh's prophets , judges, kings or shepherds.

The Bible doesn't say the Bible is scripture. The Catholic Church did create the first Christian Bible, and it says, very clearly, of you were to write down all Jesus said and did, the libraries could not contain all of it.

Meaning, we have less than 1% of the word of God

God repeatedly says to do the opposite of what he says not to do. So, miracles worked through martyrs were common, early on, the dead continue as members of the body of Christ.

The greatest miracles I know of in the 19th and 20th century started as virgin Mary appiritions.
 
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