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[Abrahamics ONLY] Who is a Jew?

Tumah

Tumah

Veteran Member
Godobeyer said:
as I know the Jews holy books are Torah and Talmud .

Torah , speak when some converts to another religion

If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which [is] as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; [Namely], of the gods of the people which [are] round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the [one] end of the earth even unto the [other] end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

— Deuteronomy 13:6–10[99]


but they also said : Judaism does not follow the Torah's prescription on this point: there is no punishment today for leaving Judaism.

from : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy#Judaism
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Right, we don't do any of the punishments since we do not have authority to do so.
 
rosends

rosends

Well-Known Member
Godobeyer said:
as I know the Jews holy books are Torah and Talmud .

Torah , speak when some converts to another religion

If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which [is] as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; [Namely], of the gods of the people which [are] round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the [one] end of the earth even unto the [other] end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.

— Deuteronomy 13:6–10[99]


but they also said : Judaism does not follow the Torah's prescription on this point: there is no punishment today for leaving Judaism.

from : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy#Judaism
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the torah is speaking about worshiping idols, not converting to another religion. The written torah never discusses the idea of leaving Judaism because such a thing doesn't make sense in light of how the torah views Judaism.
 
Godobeyer

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
rosends said:
the torah is speaking about worshiping idols, not converting to another religion. The written torah never discusses the idea of leaving Judaism because such a thing doesn't make sense in light of how the torah views Judaism.
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This is not writen Torah ?

Deuteronomy 13:6–10[99]
 
Godobeyer

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
rosends said:
where do you see any notion of conversion there?
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f thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which [is] as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; [Namely], of the gods of the people which [are] round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the [one] end of the earth even unto the [other] end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
 
rosends

rosends

Well-Known Member
Godobeyer said:
f thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which [is] as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; [Namely], of the gods of the people which [are] round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the [one] end of the earth even unto the [other] end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
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um, yes...I can serve another god and yet not convert to another religion in the same way that I can cheat on my wife but stay married to her and not be married to anyone else.
 
Godobeyer

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
rosends said:
um, yes...I can serve another god and yet not convert to another religion in the same way that I can cheat on my wife but stay married to her and not be married to anyone else.
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that scripture speaking about law of death when a Jew serve another God .
 
rosends

rosends

Well-Known Member
Godobeyer said:
that scripture speaking about law of death when a Jew serve another God .
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yes, but not converting. Just going astray. There is a difference between worshiping another god and converting to another religion. In fact, there are many who decided that they could worship other gods and stay in their religion. Bil'am got the men to worship other gods by seducing them with women, but the text never speaks about conversion.
 
Godobeyer

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
rosends said:
yes, but not converting. Just going astray. There is a difference between worshiping another god and converting to another religion. In fact, there are many who decided that they could worship other gods and stay in their religion. Bil'am got the men to worship other gods by seducing them with women, but the text never speaks about conversion.
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You said , "it's ok I serve other God ", but Torah said "it's not ok ", is this ok ?

I mean, who should the credible your claim or Torah ?
 
roger1440

roger1440

I do stuff
rosends said:
um, yes...I can serve another god and yet not convert to another religion in the same way that I can cheat on my wife but stay married to her and not be married to anyone else.
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Yeah, then there are the ones who cheat who lovers are hung like a race horse, LOL.
 
Zardoz

Zardoz

Wonderful Wizard
Premium Member
Jedster said:
So, please answer the question at the end of my first post in this thread.
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Sorry, I didn't know that was directed at me.

I'd say that if you add Jew, Jewish or Judaism in addition to 'eclectic' as your religion, you should be able to post there.
By forum rules you'd be within your rights to then post there, as I understand the requirements.
Will other Jews consider you Jewish, I cannot say, but you should refrain from interjecting those ideas of other
cultures/writings/groups/religions that you have explored on a topic, even if relevant.

However, from my experience even if you make zero mention of such other outside ideas, some might still harass you.
 
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