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Absolute Rights
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Secret Chief
Veteran Member
Should not...under any circumstance...
Right to life.
Right to life.
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
You are saying you are against abortion?
Secret Chief
Veteran Member
I knew I shouldn't have posted!
I am not against abortion.
Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
Are you saying you are also against the right to self defence, police engaging in lethal force against criminals, and military forces engaging in combat, or do you believe killing people is okay in some circumstances?
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
I was just curious; in the US 'right to life' would usually be taken to mean 'pro-life', that is against abortion.
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
Huh?
Secret Chief
Veteran Member
Fortunately
I am not an American. I consider abortion to be a whole different topic. I meant life for individuals. Abortion involves (obviously) issues such as the circumstances of the pregnancy (eg rape), how many weeks pregnant, the woman's freedom of choice and rights over her own body etc. I'm also in favour of contraception in case anyone was thinking of asking me that one! (especially for Boris Johnson's mother)
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Kooky
Freedom from Sanity
I am assuming you are "pro life", are you not? Or is that not an absolute position you would take?
If I misread your argument here, then I apologize.
It's a good question. I suppose it would depend on whether one views a right as a claim of being "God-given," or more of a promise or guarantee offered by governments in an attempt to maximize utility and human happiness.
Perhaps a right to a fair trial would be an example of an absolute right which every accused person should get. If a person is accused, they have a right to a trial and to be treated fairly. Also, being spared any cruel or unusual punishment might also be considered absolute. No civilized society should engage in such things.
The Third Amendment doesn't get much attention anymore, but that should also be considered an absolute right.
And of course, the Thirteenth Amendment - no one should ever be a slave, and no civilized society should ever condone it. That's an absolute right, in my view.
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
Yes, you were correct. And I do consider myself a pacifist.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Do you believe in police shooting non violent criminals, or criminals running away!
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
But they execute folks there. And shoot unarmed folks, or so we hear.
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I knew it was coming when I first read it
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
A right to be born, a right to live, and a right to die. The Last Meal - Crime Museum
I'm against abortion and death penalty. I'm not against freedom to chose and suffering humane consequences of ones actions.
Heyo
Veteran Member
There are no absolute rights. All rights are human constructs and as such not real. We, as a society, grant them.
Having said that, there are rights, I think, we should grant without loopholes or exceptions. The right to life (for a person) should be high on that list.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
“We hold these truths to be self evident” - a bold statement in itself, whatever follows.
Americans will presumably know what does follow; “that all men are created equal, and endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”
I am not a US citizen, nor do I have any aspirations ever to be one. But as a statement of principle on which to base a system of government, it’s hard to a imagine a more noble sentiment. Clearly, history tells us that human beings are far better at expressing noble sentiments than they are at living up to them. But the difficulty of living up to them, is no reason not to aspire to the very highest standards.
Any opinions I may or may not have on the subject of abortion, I intend to keep entirely to myself.
Americans will presumably know what does follow; “that all men are created equal, and endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”
I am not a US citizen, nor do I have any aspirations ever to be one. But as a statement of principle on which to base a system of government, it’s hard to a imagine a more noble sentiment. Clearly, history tells us that human beings are far better at expressing noble sentiments than they are at living up to them. But the difficulty of living up to them, is no reason not to aspire to the very highest standards.
Any opinions I may or may not have on the subject of abortion, I intend to keep entirely to myself.