ACLU Puts Principle Ahead of Politics

[doppelganger]

The ACLU has filed a brief in support of Sen. Craig's request to withdraw his guilty plea for disorderly conduct. The ACLU argued that Sen. Craig's arrest was unconstitutional (I tend to agree, though Craig is still a hypocrite).

Sen. Craig gets support from ACLU - CNN.com

 

[Comprehend]

are you saying that the ACLU is a left wing organization?

 

[doppelganger]

are you saying that the ACLU is a left wing organization?

I'm saying that it gets attacked constantly by Republicans and "conservative" pundits, but it plugs right ahead protecting the civil rights of all people anyway.

 

[Comprehend]

I'm saying that it gets attacked constantly by Republicans and "conservative" pundits, but it plugs right ahead protecting the civil rights of all people anyway.

I'll take that as an implied yes.

 

[MaddLlama]

I'll take that as an implied yes.

 

[Scuba Pete]

The ACLU will try to stop ANY infringement of our civil liberties. They have sued to stop the distribution of Bibles in schools and also to allow religious clubs to meet on campus. They are pretty a-political. However, they are often maligned by those who want to steal our liberties.

 

[Quiddity]

What if Craig was already gay and was therapeutically becoming straight. Would the ACLU be there for him?

The first step to progress is admitting your bias.

 

[Scuba Pete]

What if Craig was already gay and was therapeutically becoming straight. Would the ACLU be there for him?

The first step to progress is admitting your bias.

The ACLU doesn't make such value judgments. They don't want our government making them either. Your sexuality is personal and does not need to be scrutinized by Uncle Sam.

 

[Comprehend]

The ACLU will try to stop ANY infringement of our civil liberties. They have sued to stop the distribution of Bibles in schools and also to allow religious clubs to meet on campus. They are pretty a-political. However, they are often maligned by those who want to steal our liberties.

When is the last time the defended the 2nd amendment?

 

[Scuba Pete]

When has it needed defending? They got the guns already.

 

[Quiddity]

The ACLU doesn't make such value judgments.

I hope you are right.

 

[doppelganger]

When is the last time the defended the 2nd amendment?

There's a huge, HUGE, HUGE lobby that already does that with incredible efficiency.

But you can read the ACLU's position on gun control issues here.

 

[Autodidact]

What if Craig was already gay and was therapeutically becoming straight. Would the ACLU be there for him?

The first step to progress is admitting your bias.

Yes, if someone was trying to deny him his Constitutional rights. The ACLU is about the Constitution, not politics.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

When is the last time the defended the 2nd amendment?

Well, the NRA does pretty much have that one down.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Until I read that. I thought Americans had a individual constitutional right to bear arms.
It seem that has never been the case. It is just that they do nothing to stop it, when they could.

 

[Quiddity]

Yes, if someone was trying to deny him his Constitutional rights. The ACLU is about the Constitution, not politics.

So is everyone else.

 

[Comprehend]

There's a huge, HUGE, HUGE lobby that already does that with incredible efficiency.

But you can read the ACLU's position on gun control issues here.

It seems by their own admission they don't defend the second amendment, or at least choose the interpretation that says there is nothing wrong with regulating guns however any govt. decides. They don't fight the total gun-ban in New York City so clearly they do not have a limit to how much regulation is too much.

When they cite the 1939 SC case they aren't being entirely accurate with the situation, almost all of the state AG's and quite a few of the Circuit Courts have swung to an individual interpretation rather than the Militia interpretation.

 

[Comprehend]

Well, the NRA does pretty much have that one down.

the claim was that the ACLU will try to stop ANY infringement of our civil liberties. I have shown that they don't. Just because someone else is working on it does not excuse the claim. Does the ACLU do it or not?

How many times have they challenged the total ban in NYC? Did they file an amicus with the latest DC circuit case in which it was decided that the 2nd amendment was an individual right?

The ACLU spends a great deal of time on the "right to privacy" that isn't in the constitution but completely ignores the 2nd amendment....

 

[Scuba Pete]

Of course they do... there have been no laws concerning the states having a militia. None, nada, squat. That's the point of the amendment: not personal gun rights.

the claim was that the ACLU will try to stop ANY infringement of our civil liberties. I have shown that they don't. Just because someone else is working on it does not excuse the claim. Does the ACLU do it or not?

How many times have they challenged the total ban in NYC? Did they file an amicus with the latest DC circuit case in which it was decided that the 2nd amendment was an individual right?

The ACLU spends a great deal of time on the "right to privacy" that isn't in the constitution but completely ignores the 2nd amendment....

 

[doppelganger]

The right to privacy is in the Constitution. It is necessarily implied through the preservation of other rights that depend upon it according to the U.S. Supreme Court.