Wirey
Fartist
I have no idea what you're talking about here. Why don't you provide this information to people who can use it if it's true?
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Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe
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I have no idea what you're talking about here. Why don't you provide this information to people who can use it if it's true?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It's called history. The only thing even remotely comparable is the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor. But we do know that while that the nation was in shock and mourning over Columbine, B. Clinton launched the largest single-day bombing against Kosovo.
Yes. A man named Osama bin Laden who knew we are easily provoked, and designed a strategy for a long and drawn out war that would last longer than his own life, long enough to bankrupt America and tear it apart from the inside out.
We have been, from multiple angles. You've even been asking questions that are addressed in sources we've provided, which can only lead us to believe you aren't even reading or considering them because you haven't been bringing up with the sources we provide say.
What is it that you don't understand about the Harrit et al. findings:
We have discovered distinctive red/gray chips in significant numbers in dust associated with the World Trade Center destruction. We have applied SEM/XEDS and other methods to characterize the small- scale structure and chemical signature of these chips, especially of their red component. The red material is most interesting and has the following characteristics:
1. It is composed of aluminum, iron, oxygen, silicon and carbon. Lesser amounts of other potentially reactive elements are sometimes present, such as potassium, sulfur, lead, barium and copper.
2. The primary elements (Al, Fe, O, Si, C) are typically all present in particles at the scale of tens to hundreds of nanometers, and detailed XEDS mapping shows intimate mixing.
3. On treatment with methyl ethyl ketone solvent, some segregation of components occurred. Elemental aluminum became sufficiently concentrated to be clearly identified in the pre-ignition material.
4. Iron oxide appears in faceted grains roughly 100 nm across whereas the aluminum appears in thin platelike structures. The small size of the iron oxide particles qualifies the material to be characterized as nanothermite or super-thermite.
5. Analysis shows that iron and oxygen are present in a ratio consistent with Fe2O3. The red material in all four WTC dust samples was similar in this way. Iron oxide was found in the pre-ignition material whereas elemental iron was not.
6. From the presence of elemental aluminum and iron oxide in the red material, we conclude that it contains the ingredients of thermite.
7. As measured using DSC, the material ignites and reacts vigorously at a temperature of approximately 430 °C, with a rather narrow exotherm, matching fairly closely an independent observation on a known super-thermite sample. The low temperature of ignition and the presence of iron oxide grains less than 120 nm show that the material is not conventional thermite (which ignites at temperatures above 900 °C) but very likely a form of super-thermite.
8. After igniting several red/gray chips in a DSC run to 700 °C, we found numerous iron-rich spheres and spheroids in the residue, indicating that a very high temperature reaction had occurred, since the iron-rich product clearly must have been molten to form these shapes. In several spheres, elemental iron was verified since the iron content significantly exceeded the oxygen content. We conclude that a high-temperature reduction-oxidation reaction has occurred in the heated chips, namely, the thermite reaction.
9. The spheroids produced by the DSC tests and by the flame test have an XEDS signature (Al, Fe, O, Si, C) which is depleted in carbon and aluminum relative to the original red material. This chemical signature strikingly matches the chemical signature of the spheroids produced by igniting commercial thermite, and also matches the signatures of many of the microspheres found in the WTC dust [5].
10. The carbon content of the red material indicates that an organic substance is present. This would be expected for super-thermite formulations in order to produce high gas pressures upon ignition and thus make them explosive. The nature of the organic material in these chips merits further exploration. We note that it is likely also an energetic material, in that the total energy release sometimes observed in DSC tests exceeds the theoretical maximum energy of the classic thermite reaction.
Based on these observations, we conclude that the red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material.
1. It is composed of aluminum, iron, oxygen, silicon and carbon. Lesser amounts of other potentially reactive elements are sometimes present, such as potassium, sulfur, lead, barium and copper.
2. The primary elements (Al, Fe, O, Si, C) are typically all present in particles at the scale of tens to hundreds of nanometers, and detailed XEDS mapping shows intimate mixing.
3. On treatment with methyl ethyl ketone solvent, some segregation of components occurred. Elemental aluminum became sufficiently concentrated to be clearly identified in the pre-ignition material.
4. Iron oxide appears in faceted grains roughly 100 nm across whereas the aluminum appears in thin platelike structures. The small size of the iron oxide particles qualifies the material to be characterized as nanothermite or super-thermite.
5. Analysis shows that iron and oxygen are present in a ratio consistent with Fe2O3. The red material in all four WTC dust samples was similar in this way. Iron oxide was found in the pre-ignition material whereas elemental iron was not.
6. From the presence of elemental aluminum and iron oxide in the red material, we conclude that it contains the ingredients of thermite.
7. As measured using DSC, the material ignites and reacts vigorously at a temperature of approximately 430 °C, with a rather narrow exotherm, matching fairly closely an independent observation on a known super-thermite sample. The low temperature of ignition and the presence of iron oxide grains less than 120 nm show that the material is not conventional thermite (which ignites at temperatures above 900 °C) but very likely a form of super-thermite.
8. After igniting several red/gray chips in a DSC run to 700 °C, we found numerous iron-rich spheres and spheroids in the residue, indicating that a very high temperature reaction had occurred, since the iron-rich product clearly must have been molten to form these shapes. In several spheres, elemental iron was verified since the iron content significantly exceeded the oxygen content. We conclude that a high-temperature reduction-oxidation reaction has occurred in the heated chips, namely, the thermite reaction.
9. The spheroids produced by the DSC tests and by the flame test have an XEDS signature (Al, Fe, O, Si, C) which is depleted in carbon and aluminum relative to the original red material. This chemical signature strikingly matches the chemical signature of the spheroids produced by igniting commercial thermite, and also matches the signatures of many of the microspheres found in the WTC dust [5].
10. The carbon content of the red material indicates that an organic substance is present. This would be expected for super-thermite formulations in order to produce high gas pressures upon ignition and thus make them explosive. The nature of the organic material in these chips merits further exploration. We note that it is likely also an energetic material, in that the total energy release sometimes observed in DSC tests exceeds the theoretical maximum energy of the classic thermite reaction.
Based on these observations, we conclude that the red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material.
http://benthamopen.com/contents/pdf/TOCPJ/TOCPJ-2-7.pdf
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You haven’t been able to identify any errors in their methodologies or conclusions. Correct?
Wirey
Fartist
Um, they found plane wreckage, and the thermite was from grounding activities. So yes, I found an error. They're lying or stupid. Now, when will you live up to your half and contact the Russian Embassy so they can expose this to the world and shrug off the US backed sanctions?
You know, and I mean this sincerely, I feel a little sad for you. You must know it's all BS, but you've invested some part of yourself in the lie, and are now forcing yourself to defend it. Call the Russians and tell them you can shame America. See how it goes.
You know, and I mean this sincerely, I feel a little sad for you. You must know it's all BS, but you've invested some part of yourself in the lie, and are now forcing yourself to defend it. Call the Russians and tell them you can shame America. See how it goes.
Obviously you need to inform yourself of history. Here are 42 documented false-flag attacks, several of which were perpetrated by the US: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/41-admitted-false-flag-attacks.html
Your belief that the US has never perpetrated a false-flag attack is not deduced from any fact. It's only your belief. You should try to separate your beliefs from facts.
Moreover, it is entirely irrelevant to the topic here whether the US or any other country has ever perpetrated a false-flag attack. It doesn't change the red/gray chips found in the WTC dust that were shown to be composed of nanoparticles of thermitic material, exhibiting an exotherm narrower and more energetic than reference superthermite.
You haven't been able to identify any error in the methodologies or conclusions of the Harrit et a.. paper. Correct?
Nanothermite is "from" what? Prove it.
So far you have only made fantastically ignorant claims here. Leave your religions behind and try again.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Iran, there are plenty of nations that love nothing more than to be able to prove the American government was behind 9/11. Really, it's on par with just how much Soviet Russia would have loved to have been able to prove the lunar landing was faked.
Wirey
Fartist
Sigh. Again, proof:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermite
Thermite welding used for grounding. This canard has been disproven over and over, but crazy can't hear science. And talk about religion! "It was the invisible bombs that no one saw and let kill them!"
I'm sure it's comforting to distract oneself with irrelevancies.
The Wikipedia article doesn't even vaguely suggest that welding with thermite (even if thermite welding were used in construction of buildings) leaves red/gray multi-layered chips of unreacted nanothermite in buildings. Obviously you cannot quote where the Wikipedia article makes any such suggestion.
You apparently don't understand how utterly ignorantly ridiculous what you're claiming is.
Wirey
Fartist
Tell you what: I'll live here in science, and you stay over there in crazy. If I had evidence that could not be disputed that the US government murdered it's own citizens so it could start a war, and telling the Russians would end with the perpetrators in jail, I'd blab. You, on the other hand, need someone to hold your hand step by step so you can overlook all the real evidence and claim that the US government, after deciding to murder it's own citizens, picked thermite instead of, say, Torpex, which would require a much smaller bomb and would leave less evidence. The amount of thermite residue in the tower rubble is exactly consistent with the amount used to perform thermite welding on the grounding system. This is not a new thing, I remember hearing it in the news in 2002. You being nuts doesn't equal me being stupid. Grounding of structures is my job and I can assure you, you and the nutcase you keep quoting have no idea what you're talking about. I suggest seeking professional medical help if you really believe any of this.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It's not irrelevant, but Machiavellian Politics 101. To discredit the American government in such a way would be a silver tray lined with golden eggs for a number of countries, for a number of reasons. But yet we don't hear Putin or Kim Jong Un boasting they have proof 9/11 was staged by the American government. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad probably would have loved nothing more, because being able to deal such a blow would very possibly send shock waves that would effect Israel in an unfavorable way.
You're not even close to science. That's why you haven't been able to identify any error in the Harrit et al. paper or substantiate your nutty ideas that red/gray multilayered chips of unreacted nanothermite are produced by welding and are sitting around in buildings.
Here's how nanothermite is produced:
A method for producing nanoscale, or ultra fine grain (UFG) aluminium powders, a key component of most nano-thermitic materials, is the dynamic gas-phase condensation method, pioneered by Wayne Danen and Steve Son at Los Alamos National Laboratory. A variant of the method is being used at the Indian Head Division of the Naval Surface Warfare Center. Another production method for nanoaluminium powder is the pulsed plasma process developed by NovaCentrix (formerly Nanotechnologies).[9] The powders made by both processes are indistinguishable.[10] A critical aspect of the production is the ability to produce particles of sizes in the tens of nanometer range, as well as with a limited distribution of particle sizes. In 2002, the production of nano-sized aluminium particles required considerable effort, and commercial sources for the material were limited.[3] Current production levels are now beyond 100 kg/month.
An application of the sol-gel method, developed by Randall Simpson, Alexander Gash and others at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, can be used to make the actual mixtures of nanostructured composite energetic materials. Depending on the process, MICs of different density can be produced. Highly porous and uniform products can be achieved by supercritical extraction.[3]
An application of the sol-gel method, developed by Randall Simpson, Alexander Gash and others at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, can be used to make the actual mixtures of nanostructured composite energetic materials. Depending on the process, MICs of different density can be produced. Highly porous and uniform products can be achieved by supercritical extraction.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nano-thermite
Notice that it doesn’t say anything about just doing some welding and you get red/gray multilayered chips.
You haven't even said anything about "the American government" that you can substantiate to be true, much less relevant to the topic.
You haven't been able to identify any error in the methodologies or conclusions of the Harrit et al. paper. Right?
Wirey
Fartist
So you'll be telling the Russians when? Surely you're not an accomplice in this matter? Surely you want the truth to come out?
Edited to mention I'm ashamed of myself for the level of involvement I'm giving to a conspiracy theory concocted by science-deficient loons.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
You're the one making a claim about the American government. I'm making the claim about other governments and leaders who would love nothing more than to be able to discredit the American government in such a way, and I haven't said anything about the American government. For any number of leaders, the ability to prove 9/11 was carried out by the American government itself would nothing short of tiny David striking down the giant Goliath. It would do irreparable damage to America's image and credibility. It would cause political instability, and great civil unrest.
It's been discussed for several pages now. Wirey and Curious George have especially contributed quite a bit, but you dismiss it all as you wave this Harriet paper around as if it were a sacred religious text, and then you accuse others of being "religious" for bringing up counter points.
Be sure to let us know if you ever understand how nanothermite is made, and if you ever find an error in the methodologies or conclusion of the Harrit et al. paper.
Wirey
Fartist
I already did. Let me know how the Russians reward you.
This is what I've noted about "the US," all in response to your unsubstantiated claims about "the American government":
Here are 42 documented false-flag attacks, several of which were perpetrated by the US: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/02/41-admitted-false-flag-attacks.html
Your belief that the US has never perpetrated a false-flag attack is not deduced from any fact. It's only your belief. You should try to separate your beliefs from facts.
Moreover, it is entirely irrelevant to the topic here whether the US or any other country has ever perpetrated a false-flag attack. It doesn't change the red/gray chips found in the WTC dust that were shown to be composed of nanoparticles of thermitic material, exhibiting an exotherm narrower and more energetic than reference superthermite.
So you still can't identify any error in the methodologies and conclusions of the Harrit et al. paper? Your belief that the US has never perpetrated a false-flag attack is not deduced from any fact. It's only your belief. You should try to separate your beliefs from facts.
Moreover, it is entirely irrelevant to the topic here whether the US or any other country has ever perpetrated a false-flag attack. It doesn't change the red/gray chips found in the WTC dust that were shown to be composed of nanoparticles of thermitic material, exhibiting an exotherm narrower and more energetic than reference superthermite.
And you still can't show that it's physically possible for the small upper portion of a stable building to suddenly fall upon the larger lower portion and crush the lower portion, then crush itself?
And still still can't show that it's physically possible for a building to drop straight down due to asymmetrical structural damage and random office fires?
Prove it.