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Adam and Eve

Altfish

Altfish

Veteran Member
Thief said:
many believe it was the Favored
God's right hand angel......having fallen from grace
over an argument about......Man
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Why couldn't the Bible be clear. Why is it always open to interpretation? I thought it was supposed to be such an important book; sounds like you can make up what it means.
Poor show.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Altfish said:
Why couldn't the Bible be clear. Why is it always open to interpretation? I thought it was supposed to be such an important book; sounds like you can make up what it means.
Poor show.
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not poor at all

scripture will reflect differently in the mind and heart of anyone reading it

we were formed as we are to be unique

then God and heaven will sort out......what they desire
 
F

F1fan

Veteran Member
Thief said:
at least one

that gray stuff on the your bookshelf....your bed sheets
the ceiling fan

that's you
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I see, you're referring to dead skin cells. So if humans are just a pile of dead skin cells where did God vacuum up these dead skin cells to put together Adam?
 
F

F1fan

Veteran Member
Thief said:
many believe it was the Favored
God's right hand angel......having fallen from grace
over an argument about......Man
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Well God should have seen the conflict ahead of time. It's almost as if this God makes mistakes.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
F1fan said:
I see, you're referring to dead skin cells. So if humans are just a pile of dead skin cells where did these dead skin cells come from for God to put together Adam?
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gee......you haven't really thought about it
have you?

so.....picture yourself AS God ......yes you can
and you are the FIRST to say.....I AM!

and only your Echo answers

you create.....light first.....and so on
and though the creation responds....
it does not really.....
respond

You find it possible to view your creation from more than one position
but as you look around...it's only you
no one else
you are the First
Someone had to be first

you have yourself.....and your creation to work with
subdividing your position is nothing more than you
talking to yourself

the only solution
place Spirit
into substance

here we are
 
Altfish

Altfish

Veteran Member
Thief said:
not poor at all

scripture will reflect differently in the mind and heart of anyone reading it

we were formed as we are to be unique

then God and heaven will sort out......what they desire
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Which leads to separate religious factions, disagreement, splitting, even in extreme cases wars.

Whereas a clear book with an on-line clarification process from Heaven would solve everything, Simples
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Altfish said:
Which leads to separate religious factions, disagreement, splitting, even in extreme cases wars.

Whereas a clear book with an on-line clarification process from Heaven would solve everything, Simples
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there have been wars in heaven......
so I've heard
 
F

F1fan

Veteran Member
Thief said:
gee......you haven't really thought about it
have you?
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No, and that's because we have science that explains reality.

so.....picture yourself AS God ......yes you can
and you are the FIRST to say.....I AM!

and only your Echo answers

you create.....light first.....and so on
and though the creation responds....
it does not really.....
respond

You find it possible to view your creation from more than one position
but as you look around...it's only you
no one else
you are the First
Someone had to be first

you have yourself.....and your creation to work with
subdividing your position is nothing more than you
talking to yourself

the only solution
place Spirit
into substance

here we are
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None of this is factual, why would I want to imagine this scenario? We have science to explain reality, and this theological view doesn't describe reality.
 
Valjean

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Altfish said:
Genesis also describes a talking snake.
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A talking snake? Well, that's just silly. Whoever heard of a talking snake?

In fact, it was clearly one of those talking, snakelike, monitor lizards; and it was only after God became pi**ed off at it that he removed its legs and cursed it to crawl on it's belly.
Proof: Genesis, 3:14.
:rolleyes:
 
Suave

Suave

Simulated character
Conscious thoughts said:
:confused:WUT :oops: Anyone have a manual that explain those words to a nob like me :confused:
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Endogenous retroviruses (ERVs) are the relics of ancient viral infections preserved in our DNA. Many ERV insertion points are located in exactly the same position on our genome as on the chimpanzee genome! There are two explanations for these perfectly matched ERV locations. Either it is a nearly impossible coincidence that endogenous retroviruses just by chance were inserted in exactly the same location in our genomes, or chimps and humans share a common ancestor. The probability that an endogenous retrovirus was inserted at the exact same location is roughly 0.00003 percent. Chimps and humans share 7 instances of endogenous retroviruses inserted at a perfectly matched location. There is at least a 99.9999999999999999999999999999 percent likelihood that it was a shared common ancestor between chimps and humans that became infected, and both chimps and humans inherited these ERVs.

( Edited) *Specific examples from comparative physiology and biochemistry strongly suggest chimps and humans share a common ancestry:*

Chromosome 2 in humans

Main article: Chromosome 2 (human)

Further information: Chimpanzee Genome Project § Genes of the Chromosome 2 fusion site

Figure 1b: Fusion of ancestral chromosomes left distinctive remnants of telomeres, and a vestigial centromere
Evidence for the evolution of Homo sapiens from a common ancestor with chimpanzees is found in the number of chromosomes in humans as compared to all other members of Hominidae. All hominidae have 24 pairs of chromosomes, except humans, who have only 23 pairs. Human chromosome 2 is a result of an end-to-end fusion of two ancestral chromosomes.

The evidence for this includes:
The correspondence of chromosome 2 to two ape chromosomes. The closest human relative, the common chimpanzee, has near-identical DNA sequences to human chromosome 2, but they are found in two separate chromosomes. The same is true of the more distant gorilla and orangutan.
The presence of a vestigial centromere. Normally a chromosome has just one centromere, but in chromosome 2 there are remnants of a second centromere.
The presence of vestigial telomeres. These are normally found only at the ends of a chromosome, but in chromosome 2 there are additional telomere sequences in the middle.

Chromosome 2 thus presents strong evidence in favour of the common descent of humans and other apes. According to J. W. Ijdo, "We conclude that the locus cloned in cosmids c8.1 and c29B is the relic of an ancient telomere-telomere fusion and marks the point at which two ancestral ape chromosomes fused to give rise to human chromosome 2
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Figure 1b: Fusion of ancestral chromosomes left distinctive remnants of telomeres, and a vestigial centromere

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_o...on_descent
 
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Spirit of Light

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Suave said:
Endogenous retroviruses (ERVs) are the relics of ancient viral infections preserved in our DNA. Many ERV insertion points are located in exactly the same position on our genome as on the chimpanzee genome! There are two explanations for these perfectly matched ERV locations. Either it is a nearly impossible coincidence that endogenous retroviruses just by chance were inserted in exactly the same location in our genomes, or chimps and humans share a common ancestor. The probability that an endogenous retrovirus was inserted at the exact same location is roughly 0.00003 percent. Chimps and humans share 7 instances of endogenous retroviruses inserted at a perfectly matched location. There is at least a 99.999999999999999 percent likelihood that it was a shared common ancestor between chimps and humans that became infected, and both chimps and humans inherited these ERVs.
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Personally i do not believe humans comes from apes :) science can say what ever they like, does not change my belief in humans as different than apes
 
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