Wildswanderer
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I have to assume that God explained something about death. At the least, that is was undesirable.
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Adam and eve
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JoshuaTree
Flowers are red?
Death not a deterrent... Excellent point, never considered that, thanks!
JoshuaTree
Flowers are red?
Well the tree of life stood in the garden but no one paid it a visit.
You're making some really interesting points in ways I'd never thought, Ray. 
VoidCat
Use any and all pronouns including neo and it/it's
Thank you. This @JoshuaTree is making some as well.You're making some really interesting points in ways I'd never thought, Ray.
Nimos
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What do you think "Knowledge" in tree of knowledge is a metaphor for? not trusting God?
If that is the case. Wouldn't Adam and Eve be in their good right to use their "free will" to decide whether to trust God or not? Yet the moment they use it, he punish them for it. Often people will argue that this is very important for God, so it seems a bit weird, why he would punish for it, or how do you see it working?
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Did God tell them that he was their creator and it was obligatory for them to follow what he said? And only what he says is the truth and what others say is untruth and they were not to follow that? I do not see that in Genesis. Something like what he said to Moses at a later time, "I am your Lord God. Thou shalt not have any God before me." Those were clear instructions. Adam and Eve were not clearly instrtucted.
".. and everything that creeps upon the ground of every kind. And God saw that it was good." Gen.1:25
If every thing was good till 1:25, where did this evil serpent came from?
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Jeremiah Ames
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they knew nothing. how could they? they just popped into existence, probably
why NOT trust this alleged snake? how do we even know what kind of snake it was? we have no evidence.
as a matter of fact, they didn’t even know it was a snake, probably
neither do we. it could have maybe been a cat, even
God told them not to eat something
they probably didn’t know what he meant by eating
maybe, they weren’t there anyway, probably, or we would find some fossils or something, maybe by now
you must admit, it’s a strange story. too many loose ends
Not to be argumentative, but the snake told no lies that I can find in the text.
I do not follow a literal interpretation of Genesis, but I find it interesting that in the story they committed the sin prior to knowing the difference between good and evil. In the story, they had the ability to commit sin, but lacked the understanding of it until after they had carried out the act that was the sin (disobeying God and eating of the tree).
It does seem like innocents were obliged to know the difference prior to committing the act that got them into trouble and gave them the knowledge in the first place
RestlessSoul
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The root of all mankind's suffering, the story says, lies in our hunger to be equal to God in knowledge;
'For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.'
Thus our story begins; we aspire to equal God in knowledge, and in so doing we expel ourselves from the garden. The rest of the human story concerns our efforts to return there.
God created both the snake and the tree, and in doing so, set man up for the fall. Is there a contradiction here? Perhaps. Life is a riddle, and not all questions have answers. Asking unanswerable questions causes great discomfort and confusion, but it's very human to do so; part of the burden we assumed when we ate from the tree of knowledge.
I think it's reasonable to feel pity for Eve, and for Adam. The fall was all part of the plan, so how much choice did they ever have? John Milton, in his epic poem Paradise Lost, also invites us to feel pity for Satan, manifested in the garden as the serpent. He too, was part of the plan. Like us, his desire to equal God, is the cause of his own distress.
Was Judas Escariot part of the plan too? Without him there is no crucifixion; Bob Dylan wondered about that, in the song God on Our Side. So he played his part, as perhaps it was ordained from the beginning.
'For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.'
Thus our story begins; we aspire to equal God in knowledge, and in so doing we expel ourselves from the garden. The rest of the human story concerns our efforts to return there.
God created both the snake and the tree, and in doing so, set man up for the fall. Is there a contradiction here? Perhaps. Life is a riddle, and not all questions have answers. Asking unanswerable questions causes great discomfort and confusion, but it's very human to do so; part of the burden we assumed when we ate from the tree of knowledge.
I think it's reasonable to feel pity for Eve, and for Adam. The fall was all part of the plan, so how much choice did they ever have? John Milton, in his epic poem Paradise Lost, also invites us to feel pity for Satan, manifested in the garden as the serpent. He too, was part of the plan. Like us, his desire to equal God, is the cause of his own distress.
Was Judas Escariot part of the plan too? Without him there is no crucifixion; Bob Dylan wondered about that, in the song God on Our Side. So he played his part, as perhaps it was ordained from the beginning.
So the snake was good.
wellwisher
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The story of Adam and Eve is about the evolution into modern human consciousness. If you look at the theory of evolution, if man evolved from apes than humans were natural and instinctive at one time. Modern man of today has little clue what natural human instinct is. Somewhere along the line natural humans became unnatural via willpower and choice and began to rely on knowledge instead of instinct. Adam and Eve is the story of that change in human nature.
Science and the bible gives us a clue how this occurred. The invention of written language appears in the same time frame as the fall from paradise; 6000 years ago. Written language can allow knowledge to be cast into stone; linger, and thereby become repressive to natural instinct. Adam was created from stone dust; tablets.
Instinct integrates humans with nature. New laws of good and evil, that push infinite genders is dissociative and thereby not instinctive. The change had something to do with a migration of consciousness away from the right to the left hemisphere of the brain. The right brain is more 3-D; instinct, while the left is more differential or 2-D. good and evil. This was assisted by written language and law.
Jesus would teach a doctrine of love and faith. Love is an integrating or 3-D concept while faith in an inner voice is how animal instinct works. He preached a return to the right brain; new Adam. The inner self interfaces the right brain via a 3-D language..
Science and the bible gives us a clue how this occurred. The invention of written language appears in the same time frame as the fall from paradise; 6000 years ago. Written language can allow knowledge to be cast into stone; linger, and thereby become repressive to natural instinct. Adam was created from stone dust; tablets.
Instinct integrates humans with nature. New laws of good and evil, that push infinite genders is dissociative and thereby not instinctive. The change had something to do with a migration of consciousness away from the right to the left hemisphere of the brain. The right brain is more 3-D; instinct, while the left is more differential or 2-D. good and evil. This was assisted by written language and law.
Jesus would teach a doctrine of love and faith. Love is an integrating or 3-D concept while faith in an inner voice is how animal instinct works. He preached a return to the right brain; new Adam. The inner self interfaces the right brain via a 3-D language..
RestlessSoul
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Yet, they didn't die immediately.
Other genders (such as Gay) are not dissociative. Studies show that overpopulation stimulates Gay gender. There are also environmental factors (such as hormones in the womb) that partially determine gender.
Men rely more on left brains (math, logic), and women more on right brains (art, fashion). Does this mean that only women are in their right minds?
https://www.cbc.ca/life/thegoods/tr...ises-that-will-keep-your-mind-sharp-1.3865937
Experts say that using your non-dominant hand will allow greater coordination through the corpus collosum.
ElishaElijah
Return
This was a big lie:
“Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.””
Genesis 3:4-5 NKJV
(good grief)
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
You mean seeking knowledge is bad?
If Jesus had not taught his doctrine of love and faith, perhaps the abducted children of Canadian aboriginals would not have died.
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It’s nothing to do with right or wrong, good or bad but obedience to God.