I have no clue what that's suppose to mean, and I certainly have no idea how it relates to my response to your previous P.S.
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Adam and his wife died physically after eating the Forbidden Fruit. Genesis 2:17 is Literal.
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I have no clue what that's suppose to mean, and I certainly have no idea how it relates to my response to your previous P.S.
If Adam and Eve died after eating the forbidden fruit, who gave birth to Cain and Able?Adam and his wife died *physically* after partaking of the Forbidden Fruit. Moreover, it was on that very day...
Genesis 2:17
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
As far as I know, I am the only person on the planet that believes the above verse.
- Day means Day, as in twenty-four hours or less.
- Surely Die means Surely Die, as in physical death.
Both Christians and Non-Christians alike will take away and add words to the verse to make it state something it does not.
Some examples include...
Note that taking away and adding to the Word of God is of course a very big no-no, yet everyone does it with Genesis 2:17.
- Spiritual Death: Adam and his wife 'died Spiritually'.
- Begin to Age: The 'aging process' for Adam and his wife 'began ticking'.
- Day is a Thousand Years: Adam and his wife 'died within a thousand-year timeframe'.
There is no need however, to alter the verse. Genesis 2:17 agrees with the entire Bible when taken literally.
In fact, it is the *only* way in which it does!
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Meantime it explains why we die.
Matthew 19:4 indicates Jesus believed Adam and Eve were the first people.
River Sea
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@Bharat Jhunjhunwala
@Yokefellow shared about Ishshah in this thread.
As @Yokefellow claims that Ishshah was reincarnated into Eve
Due to this, I asked for @Yokefellow information.
At times, what I do is learn how others comprehend.
Mythology of one culture does not justify the relationship of the mythology of another culture, based on vague linguistic and geographic circumstantial comparisons contrary to the actual archeological and historical evidence.
Eve gave birth to Cain and Abel. (not "Able").
Obviously, Adam and Eve didn't die immediately after eating the forbidden fruit. (The verb is in the future tense).
You need to read the Bible more carefully and not jump to false conclusions.
The 2nd Adam reported in the second chapter of Genesis is metaphysical, we will never know when he existed, but the truth is that there is a first man, ancestor of all men who believe in God.
Angel Michael
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Lest anyone forgets, it was God who knew prematurely that A & E would eat that nasty old fruit. God was a victim of his own omniscience. An omniscience that informed God what A & E would do before they did it! It can be concluded therefore that God planned to fabricate the entire temptation affair to the detriment of mankind!
River Sea
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@Angel Michael @Bharat Jhunjhunwala
What was so nasty about old fruit? How old was this fruit that remained still on the branch because don't old fruits fall off of branches?
What type of fruit was this?
What if God was asking Adam to say yes to God and eat this fruit?
How do we know that God didn't want Adam to eat fruit?
Where is this place located on earth?
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Me too but the title engaged me and so i ask what hope did God give Adam and Eve after their sin? For instance did he tell them they were going to have a wonderful lovely and stress-free life? Open question for whoever cares to answer.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
No God did not know that Adam and Eve would eat from that tree. He can know what He wants to and on the other hand not foreordain actions according to His supreme power.
River Sea
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The second Adam? Which translation are you using?
Genesis 2:7-8, "Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed."
Genesis 2:15-24, "The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”
The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”
Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals.
But for Adam no suitable helper was found. So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and then closed up the place with flesh. Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
The man said,
“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,’
for she was taken out of man.”
That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.
There is only one man mentioned here: Adam. Where do you find a second Adam?
How do you interpret Genesis 1:29?
Seems to me an inquiring mind would want to know. Here is what I found:
Just as in the English language the word ' day ' has shades of meaning
We speak of grandfather's day and we know that is No 24 hour day
Please notice Genesis 2:4 because ALL of the 6 creative days are summed up as the single word ' day '
There is Nothing in Genesis saying how long each creative day was or even if they are of the same or of differing lengths of time
Since one-thousand years in God's eyes are as ' a day ' ( see Psalm 90:4; 2nd Peter 3:8 ) we see A&E did Not die in any 24-hour day
Adam lived 930 years - Genesis 5:5 - so Adam and Eve did die within that 'thousand-year day' time frame
I like the idea found at 1st Corinthians 15:24-26 because there we are informed that the time is coming when enemy death will be No more
No one dies in Heaven. The death problem is on Earth. Eliminate death on Earth and that alone gives me a stress free life
To wake up each morning and knowing I will Not die is a stress reliever
And because we are promised that No one will say, " I am sick......." - Isaiah 33:24 - we will be healthy
Jesus is coming to bring ' healing ' to earth's nations ( us ) - Revelation 22:2
Come Lord Jesus - Rev. 22:20
Eve could have also seen fruit fall off the Tree of Life just like off the tree of Knowledge of good and bad
Satan using the serpent as a ventriloquist uses a dummy could have told Eve he could talk because he ate the forbidden fruit
Eve could have seen animals eating the fruit and Not dying. The fruit itself was Not the problem
The problem was that they were Not to break God's Law of do Not eat........
We don't know the type of fruit. Some chose an apple because when cut in half the seeds make a 5 point star
God gave Adam the choice and informed that breaking the law carried with it the death penalty - Gen. 2:17
Eden was located in the vicinity of the Tigress and Euphrates rivers - Gen. 2:14