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Adam's and Eve's ?

Dimamuant

*Banned*
Evolution theory would rule out Adam and Eve . The fact that new born babies cannot survive in the wild without care rules out evolution.

So where did Adam's and Eve's come from , if not created and formed as fully grown adults by the creator?
 

Eddi

Wesleyan Pantheist
Premium Member
Evolution theory would rule out Adam and Eve . The fact that new born babies cannot survive in the wild without care rules out evolution.

So where did Adam's and Eve's come from , if not created and formed as fully grown adults by the creator?
I think you're over-thinking things
 
The mythical story of Adam and Eve puzzles me, because there's just mention of their having sons, and then these sons have wives. Where did the wives come from? Did these sons marry sisters back then? Was such incest allowed? It all just highlights the mythical nature of the Adam and Eve story.

Evolution assumes procreation and mutations enabling the development of more sophisticated species, eventually including humans. This explanation does rule out the Adam and Eve story, and replaces it with a more sensible description of how humans came to be, with parents raising children, etc.
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
The mythical story of Adam and Eve puzzles me, because there's just mention of their having sons, and then these sons have wives. Where did the wives come from? Did these sons marry sisters back then? Was such incest allowed? It all just highlights the mythical nature of the Adam and Eve story.
Genesis 5:4 says Adam and eve had more sons and daughters. Seems like this is the only biblical answer I can find anyway.
 

teage

Member
The mythical story of Adam and Eve puzzles me, because there's just mention of their having sons, and then these sons have wives. Where did the wives come from? Did these sons marry sisters back then? Was such incest allowed? It all just highlights the mythical nature of the Adam and Eve story.

Evolution assumes procreation and mutations enabling the development of more sophisticated species, eventually including humans. This explanation does rule out the Adam and Eve story, and replaces it with a more sensible description of how humans came to be, with parents raising children, etc.
They came from the other ppl created on the 6th day.
 

Dimamuant

*Banned*
How so? Each human baby born had a mother and father.
A mother and father would have once been babies , logically human adults can't be adults without been an infant first .

Logically a baby cannot survive in water or on land without assistance because when they are born , they can't see , walk , crawl etc . They'd just be prey for all other species and exposed to the elements .

The logical explanation of humans is a creator , even if this enters cloning theory . For humans to exist , when they were first created , there is a need and a must for isolation and assistance .
 

Alien826

No religious beliefs
Genesis 5:4 says Adam and eve had more sons and daughters. Seems like this is the only biblical answer I can find anyway.

Yes. A quick search of creationist sites reveals that incest is indeed the answer. Adam supposedly lived 800 years so there was plenty of time. Later such mating was forbidden but was (logically) essential at first. I say "creationist" because others don't need to address the question as they see the stories as mythical.
 

teage

Member
Yes. A quick search of creationist sites reveals that incest is indeed the answer. Adam supposedly lived 800 years so there was plenty of time. Later such mating was forbidden but was (logically) essential at first. I say "creationist" because others don't need to address the question as they see the stories as mythical.
There was no other siblings till after Seth the 3rd child. Adam and Eve were created after the 6th day. Ppl had already populated the earth. This is why Cain was worried PPL would hunt him down for what he did.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Evolution theory would rule out Adam and Eve .

Not really ‘Y-chromosome Adam’ and ‘mitochondrial Eve’ are known to have lived, i.e. the first of the male line and first of the female line to make the humanity today.

The thing is they lived thousands of years apart.

Google ‘Y-chromosome Adam’ and ‘mitochondrial Eve’
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
A mother and father would have once been babies , logically human adults can't be adults without been an infant first .

Logically a baby cannot survive in water or on land without assistance because when they are born , they can't see , walk , crawl etc . They'd just be prey for all other species and exposed to the elements .

The logical explanation of humans is a creator , even if this enters cloning theory . For humans to exist , when they were first created , there is a need and a must for isolation and assistance .
Humans had ancestors that would not qualify as "human" today. They had babies. They had no problem raising them. Like us those ancestors would have been apes.

Those apes had ancestors that would not qualify as apes today. They were simians or monkeys if you want the non-scientific term. They had no problem raising their young. And we are also still simians today.

Those simians had ancestors that would not qualify as simians today. But they were still primates. And as you know, all primates even today have no problem in raising their young. By the way, we are still primates today.

Those primates had ancestors that would not be called primates today, but they were still mammals. Are you aware of any mammals that have trouble raising their young?

By the way, we are still mammals.

Those mammals had ancestors that were still mammals but laid eggs. But there are mammals still alive that do that today and raise their young.

Now if we go back far enough in time we will have ancestors that would not be called mammals today and laid eggs, but those young were able to take care of themselves. I am sure that you know that there are species that still do that today. Those very distant ancestors are called synapsids. And we are still synapsids today.

If we go back far enough your argument fails.
 

Clizby Wampuscat

Well-Known Member
A mother and father would have once been babies , logically human adults can't be adults without been an infant first .
Yes, but they had a mother and father as well. There was never a human baby that just appeared without parents.
Logically a baby cannot survive in water or on land without assistance because when they are born , they can't see , walk , crawl etc . They'd just be prey for all other species and exposed to the elements .
I agree.
The logical explanation of humans is a creator , even if this enters cloning theory . For humans to exist , when they were first created , there is a need and a must for isolation and assistance .
I think the most logical is evolution based on a plethora of good evidence.
 

Dimamuant

*Banned*
Humans had ancestors

Your argument failed in the first three words you wrote . Humans have a dualism with an animal body . This dualism is a set of defining rules that keeps the animal body subdued . Before dualism ''humans'' were much more animal like in nature . The fact that alphabetic letters or symbolism hadn't use to exist is the proof that we were once just animals . You mention human ancestors but this isn't true because the humanity did not exist .
History is really strange because even French words and other countries languages have what is known as an English alphabet , bonjour for example .


Did you know that back in time ''humans'' jumped off cliffs , jumped into oceans etc because they were quite stupid . Many lives were lost before they realised they couldn't fly like the birds . Many lives were lost before they learned how to swim . They ate many poisons and so on because they just hadn't evolved their sentient being within their minds .
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Your argument failed in the first three words you wrote . Humans have a dualism with an animal body . This dualism is a set of defining rules that keeps the animal body subdued . Before dualism ''humans'' were much more animal like in nature . The fact that alphabetic letters or symbolism hadn't use to exist is the proof that we were once just animals . You mention human ancestors but this isn't true because the humanity did not exist .
History is really strange because even French words and other countries languages have what is known as an English alphabet , bonjour for example .


Did you know that back in time ''humans'' jumped off cliffs , jumped into oceans etc because they were quite stupid . Many lives were lost before they realised they couldn't fly like the birds . Many lives were lost before they learned how to swim . They ate many poisons and so on because they just hadn't evolved their sentient being within their minds .

Wow, just wow

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