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Addictions: are certain addictions healthier than other ones?

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Hello guys... :)
I was wondering about this, after reading some replies in another thread, about smoking.

From a medical and scientific point of view, it is a fact that certain substances are more harmful than others.
Tobacco is not the same as alcohol, because their chemical components are completely different.

To begin with, alcohol is made up (through very complex processes) of a must derived from edible things (grapes, potatoes, countless types of fruits, etc etc).
Whereas tobacco is derived from a non-edible plant.

What do you guys think? Please discuss.
It's a thread to discuss civilly, and not to be judgmental. We are all addicted to something. ;):heartpulse:
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Coffee and RF are my vices.
I've seen to many people with lives ruined or dead from addiction of alcohol tobacco or drugs to even contemplate getting hooked myself
 

Viker

Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
Hello guys... :)
I was wondering about this, after reading some replies in another thread, about smoking.

From a medical and scientific point of view, it is a fact that certain substances are more harmful than others.
Tobacco is not the same as alcohol, because their chemical components are completely different.

To begin with, alcohol is made up (through very complex processes) of a must derived from edible things (grapes, potatoes, countless types of fruits, etc etc).
Whereas tobacco is derived from a non-edible plant.

What do you guys think? Please discuss.
It's a thread to discuss civilly, and not to be judgmental. We are all addicted to something. ;):heartpulse:
I'm addicted to coffee. It's a very benign substance that mostly brings joy and comfort. I quit smoking and I am an occasional/social drinker.

Sugar is likely the most destructive addictive substance. It is also a major component of alcohol and is in nearly every processed or manufactured food.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
I'm addicted to coffee. It's a very benign substance that mostly brings joy and comfort. I quit smoking and I am an occasional/social drinker.

Sugar is likely the most destructive addictive substance. It is also a major component of alcohol and is in nearly every processed or manufactured food.
Really?
It reminds me of an anecdote... I was having an espresso with a colleague of mine. He had finished his espresso, and was smoking in the veranda of the bar. He watched me while I was putting three bags of sugar in my cup and told me that sugar is very harmful.

And I turned around, and in a very popular Romanesco I told him: "while smoking revitalizes you, te rimette, ar monno proprio"

Everytime I tell this anecdote, my friends burst out laughing.
LOL:cool:
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Staff member
Premium Member
I would say all addictions are bad to different degrees, depends on how much they affect your life.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Hello guys... :)
I was wondering about this, after reading some replies in another thread, about smoking.

From a medical and scientific point of view, it is a fact that certain substances are more harmful than others.
Tobacco is not the same as alcohol, because their chemical components are completely different.

To begin with, alcohol is made up (through very complex processes) of a must derived from edible things (grapes, potatoes, countless types of fruits, etc etc).
Whereas tobacco is derived from a non-edible plant.

What do you guys think? Please discuss.
It's a thread to discuss civilly, and not to be judgmental. We are all addicted to something. ;):heartpulse:
There are perhaps differing “levels” to addiction. And indeed even among those it may differ person to person

We accept alcohol and tobacco because the long lasting effects whilst indeed awful are not the worst that can happen. (And the big companies certainly may play a part. Meh)
Compare say Weed with Ice. Sure both are substances that elicit rather awful outcomes. But Ice often brings out far worse outcomes. And for far longer.
It’s not that weed is without its detriments, but on average it’s probably safer than Ice. In comparison at least
And since in most of the modern world we allow adults to harm themselves so long as they have fully informed consent, we draw lines in the sand when it comes to harmful substances
Are those lines always consistent?
Probably not
Are those lines always logical?
Again probably not
But it is a working progress, as they say
So ehh
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
There are perhaps differing “levels” to addiction. And indeed even among those it may differ person to person

We accept alcohol and tobacco because the long lasting effects whilst indeed awful are not the worst that can happen. (And the big companies certainly may play a part. Meh)
Compare say Weed with Ice. Sure both are substances that elicit rather awful outcomes. But Ice often brings out far worse outcomes. And for far longer.
It’s not that weed is without its detriments, but on average it’s probably safer than Ice. In comparison at least
And since in most of the modern world we allow adults to harm themselves so long as they have fully informed consent, we draw lines in the sand when it comes to harmful substances
Are those lines always consistent?
Probably not
Are those lines always logical?
Again probably not
But it is a working progress, as they say
So ehh
That's a very sensible approach.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Quadruple it and add a dash of steamed milk is mine.

Basically a normal sized cup filled with macchiato.
Read my anecdote in post #6
That was very funny...I mean the waiter had brought us two cups of delicious espresso, and three bags of white sugar. Since my colleague drink it sugarless, I took the all three bags.
I mean..I love sugary espresso.
Life is already bitter enough...not to enjoy it.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Read my anecdote in post #6
That was very funny...I mean the waiter had brought us two cups of delicious espresso, and three bags of white sugar. Since my colleague drink it sugarless, I took the all three bags.
I mean..I love sugary espresso.
Life is already bitter enough...not to enjoy it.

I don't do sugarary drinks. They are fine without
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
Over my lifetime, I've been addicted to tobacco, alcohol, and caffeine. I've shed the last of my addictions (save RF) over the last week: caffeine.

That said, caffeine is probably the least harmful to the body, though withdrawals weren't easy, probably second to smoking. Between smoking and alcohol, it's probably a toss-up between which is less harmful. While alcohol is less harmful to the body when taken in, the potential of resulting harm is much higher, i.e. injury or loss of life due to intoxication, loss of employment, etc.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Although these might not all be classed as addictions, I think they all seem to show much the same symptoms but with very different health risks. And although I might seem judgmental as to any of these, I can sympathise, but we all have a supply of willpower so as to negate so many of these addictions or habits, and with the right approach I believe most of these can be defeated. I suspect that my outdoor life in my youth, as well as those with whom I did much of this being much the same, was one main reason why my health tended to come before much else even if I never actively trained in any sense to maintain this - the activities alone tending to do this.

So, for me the list is: Smoking, Alcohol, Drugs - recreational and prescription, Pornography, Food, Gaming, and Social Media - although this list not being rigorous.

Much like alcohol and drugs, and perhaps pornography, smoking seems one of the most senseless, given that any current smoking merely calms down the anxiety produced since the previous cigarette, and hence why it is so addictive and silly. But much like prescription drugs too perhaps - which I have experienced. Fortunately I was around when the evidence for cancer coming from smoking made the scientific publications so as to convince me not to waste my money on them. Likewise, I got the impression that recreational drugs too were an avenue not to take especially when they seemed to be correlated with mental health issues and such, and I rather fancied retaining whatever I had in the way of a decent mind.

Alcohol I can take or not, given it was never part of any aims to deliberately get drunk and I've never seen alcohol as a way of 'drowning my sorrows'. Pornography can be addictive, especially as to leading to perhaps worse material - not that such tends to interest me - but also can lead into illegality. With this latter possibly leading to even worse situations. I think pornography is often worse for those who do not have regular sexual relationships with others, given that viewing such material is the easiest and cheapest option as to stimulation - where such is required. But such often leads to addictive behaviour and perhaps less likelihood of suitable relationships forming.

I've never been much into gaming - done some of the earliest stuff - and mostly I just see this as perhaps leading one away from doing something more useful with one's time - whatever any benefits claimed for such - which I do know about.

I'm sure Social Media can be addictive, but the line between what is useful to maintain good relationships with one's friends and just be part of the modern world might seem rather wide as to where an addiction might lie. I can't really comment because I was born and lived most of my life before such came to be almost essential to so many, and none of my relationships ever depended upon any such technology. But the evidence does seem to point to over use of Social Media as not being that good for mental health.

Lastly, it seems to me, although perhaps just seen as being indulgent, that so many are essentially addicted to food - of whatever sort that tends to make them obese even if there is much more to this issue than just food intake in so many cases. But essentially some people don't seem able to manage an appropriate diet and restrict the things they like to eat but are not really good for their health.

Overall, I'm not sure which of these is the worst - given that some are more dangerous and do have genuine health risks over others.
 
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JIMMY12345

Active Member
Hello guys... :)
I was wondering about this, after reading some replies in another thread, about smoking.

From a medical and scientific point of view, it is a fact that certain substances are more harmful than others.
Tobacco is not the same as alcohol, because their chemical components are completely different.

To begin with, alcohol is made up (through very complex processes) of a must derived from edible things (grapes, potatoes, countless types of fruits, etc etc).
Whereas tobacco is derived from a non-edible plant.

What do you guys think? Please discuss.
It's a thread to discuss civilly, and not to be judgmental. We are all addicted to something. ;):heartpulse:
Exercise running cycling dancing and forums rg Religious forums are all GOOD addictions
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Hello guys... :)
I was wondering about this, after reading some replies in another thread, about smoking.

From a medical and scientific point of view, it is a fact that certain substances are more harmful than others.
Tobacco is not the same as alcohol, because their chemical components are completely different.

To begin with, alcohol is made up (through very complex processes) of a must derived from edible things (grapes, potatoes, countless types of fruits, etc etc).
Whereas tobacco is derived from a non-edible plant.

What do you guys think? Please discuss.
It's a thread to discuss civilly, and not to be judgmental. We are all addicted to something. ;):heartpulse:

I'm not sure which one is healthier or not. Too much of anything can probably be harmful. I've used both alcohol and tobacco, and I'm aware of the effects of both. Chronic, long-term usage of either product will definitely have a deleterious effect on one's health and prospects for a long life.

I would differentiate between the personal effects on the health of the individual user, as opposed to how it affects those around them and society at large. Second-hand smoke is a problem for those in proximity to smokers, but no one gets drunk just from sitting next to drunks.

On the other hand, those driving under the effects of alcohol cause a lot more death and destruction on the streets and highways than anyone under the effects of tobacco. Those who grew up with alcoholics or have them in their lives might also have experience with alcohol-induced rage - which is not too fun for people in the same room. Sometimes it happens in bars, and it's only a matter of time before someone starts shooting.

All the strange and bizarre things that people do when they're drunk - I think tends to outweigh smoking in terms of overall damage. Although that's not to minimize the damage caused by smoking, which I'm not denying.

As for other addictions, it seems to vary depending on what one is addicted to. There are drugs that make you fly, and drugs that make you crash.

For those who really are addicted to the point where it does become a problem, I've always believed it should be viewed as a medical issue, rather than sending people to prison.
 

Alien826

No religious beliefs
There really is a difference between someone who uses a substance and someone who is addicted to it.

I like alcoholic drinks (beer, wine and the occasional mixed drink) and sometimes get mildly "drunk" but I don't drive after drinking, and my personality doesn't change negatively to affect others. I can go for relatively long periods without drinking and I don't crave it. I'm 82 and recent tests have shown me to be in good health. On the other hand, some people are truly addicted to alcohol and it ruins their health and lives.

I have no interest in gambling, I find it boring. My father would gamble small sums on horse racing, but it never went beyond that and I think he pretty much broke even on it. He enjoyed it. Some people allow it to destroy their lives.

Some substances seem to be so addictive that it's virtually impossible to use them in moderation.

The term "addiction" is misused a lot of the time. I don't think it's correct to call someone that spends a lot of time on the Internet (for example) an addict.

I think many people who do a lot of running for exercise are addicted to dopamine, but we don't seem to consider them addicts.

What's my point? It's a complicated subject.
 
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