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Advaita Vedanta and Neo-Advaita--what's the difference?

Orbit

I'm a planet
I'm trying to figure this out. I was exposed to neo-Advaita, I think, through western authors. One was Ken Wilber. His formulation is "not one; not-two". That's neo-Advaita right? Advaita Vedanta is "one, not two". What are some other differences? I'm trying to figure out where I am in all this and where the ideas came from. I seem to be attracted to regular Advaita Vedanta, but things are getting messy....
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
In a nutshell ... the condensed version ... In advaita you have to work at it. In neo-advaita, it's already over so there's nothing much to do.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Here is just how I see it. I think the difference is pretty much word play. Traditional Advaita Vedanta draws from traditional Vedic/Hindu/Eastern traditions. Neo-Advaita is more westerner thinkers (influenced by eastern thought) rephrasing and presenting it as westerners to westerners. I support and learn from both traditional and neo- myself; Ken Wilber, Eckhart Tolle, Adi Shankara are all on my good list.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Advaita is realisation. Neo-advaita is lots of gobbledygook about the realisation.

As you may interpret (sarcasm) I'm no fan of neo-Advaita, and I believe there is a huge difference between the two.
 

JRMcC

Active Member
^ This is pretty bad. "Billions of eons of no time."
I'd never heard of this neo-Advaita stuff before today.
 

JRMcC

Active Member
Advaita is realisation. Neo-advaita is lots of gobbledygook about the realisation.

As you may interpret (sarcasm) I'm no fan of neo-Advaita, and I believe there is a huge difference between the two.

Are you supposed to meditate in Neo-advaita at least? Does it suggest ways to work at eliminating your sense of self? I did read your link but I'm wondering if it left anything out.
 

shivsomashekhar

Well-Known Member
Advaita by default has come to mean the doctrine of Shankara (8th Century CE). It was primarily for Mumukshu's - people with a keen desire to be liberated and were willing to give up everything for it. Obviously, this was reserved for learned Brahmins, who would then become Sanyasins, approach a qualified Guru (who would test the student too before taking him on) and learn from him. Advaita endorsed the idea of Jivan-mukti or liberation, while the body is still alive. It was a different time. Books were not printed and there were no book stores or public libraries. Literature, in the form of manuscripts, was in the hands of teachers or Royal libraries and was only available to students and scholars.

Fast forward to the 19th Century. All literature, which was previously only available as manuscripts, were now available as printed books. Anyone could read anything, without restriction, without prerequisites and more importantly, without a personal Guru. Advaita became popular in the West, due to Vivekananda and then later, Ramana. But there was a difference. Without the rigor and the discipline of the Guru-Shishya relationship, people read into the doctrine what they wished. Anything and everything passed as Advaita so long as a couple of basic points were honored (all is one, I am God, everything is God).

Neo-Advaita is the label that covers all these new, tangential beliefs, which consider themselves Advaita, but were not endorsed by Shankara or by any of the present traditional Advaita scholars. Such labeling is not new. During the 12th Century CE, Gangesha created "Navya Nyaya" or neo-Nyaya as the more traditional Nyaya was dying out and this was his attempt to bring it back in a form that was more relevant to his time.

Is it a bad thing? Not necessarily. It is the nature of religion that it evolves and adapts to times. The neo-Advaita label serves to keep the distinction between traditional Advaita (which is still alive and well) and the newer beliefs and methods that pass off as Advaita.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
I'm trying to figure this out. I was exposed to neo-Advaita, I think, through western authors. One was Ken Wilber. His formulation is "not one; not-two". That's neo-Advaita right? Advaita Vedanta is "one, not two". What are some other differences? I'm trying to figure out where I am in all this and where the ideas came from. I seem to be attracted to regular Advaita Vedanta, but things are getting messy....
I consider myself as an 'advaitin' and a 'realized advaitin' at that, all 'enlightened' and 'jivan-mukta', having attained 'nirvana' and 'moksha', would not be born again.

Now please tell me what you know about this so-called 'neo-advaita'. What are the problems that you have encountered in understanding it? What does who ever said it 'not one; not two' means? There is essentially one. We are told 'Eko Brahma, dwiteeyo nasti' (Brahman is one there is no second), 'Sarva khalu idam Brahma' (All things here are Brahman). So, how can it be 'not one'?
 
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Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Are you supposed to meditate in Neo-advaita at least? Does it suggest ways to work at eliminating your sense of self? I did read your link but I'm wondering if it left anything out.

I'm no expert, but as far as I know, no. I think they'd just say ... "you can if you want to, it doesn't matter."
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Yes, meditation (deep thinking) is necessary in 'advaita'. How, otherwise, you will get to the truth. Once you get it, it might no more be necessary though always useful. Come up with your questions, we will reply (variously). :D
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
That was a quick flip.

But back to the topic. Another thing I have observed is that many neo-advaitins take great intellectual pains to speak against neo-advaita, or convince everyone that they are the REAL thing, which, of course is neo-advaita. So words and actions rarely match.

Advaita is the end state ... it happens from years and years (actually lifetimes) of sadhana, pure living, pure lifestyle, celibacy, renunciation, and more. True jivanmuktas LIVE the teachings, and are really different than us 'ordinary' folk. They would never argue incessantly, or enter pointless debate, or come on forums. They're often recluses, or teachers who work in small groups with their very closest sishyas.

So using that as a reference for true advaita, the neo-advaitins are incredibly easy to spot. One of the first things they'll do, besides claiming they're enlightened, is to modify what I just said to suit their own ego, in an attempt convince themselves or others that they're the real thing. It's all mainly a dance of the ego.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
I do not dispute you on the way to live. But whatever way I live (not very badly, generally within dharma), I know that I will not be born again. Therefore, 'jivan-mukta'. :D
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
At least no next time for me. Part of me goes to trees, part in sediments (when I am cremated), You will find me in a million (or probably a billion) things. That is where I came from. I have 7 billion billion billion atoms in my body. Or you may term that as the 'next time'.

Google: "In summary, for a typical human of 70 kg, there are almost 7x10 raised to 27 atoms (that's a 7 followed by 27 zeros!) Another way of saying this is "seven billion billion billion." Of this, almost 2/3 is hydrogen, 1/4 is oxygen, and about 1/10 is carbon."
 
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