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Again on the intolerant 'left' ...

allfoak

Alchemist
Real tolerance does not tolerate the violation of another man's rights.
Real tolerance understands that being offended and having your rights violated are not the same thing.
Tolerance celebrates the differences in humanity rather than judges them.
Tolerance understands the difference between an addiction and an addicted person.
Tolerance is an act of love not hate.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I suspect that the response is more clever than meaningful.
Know what I think of your suspicions?
Rubbish!

Yes, to give up advocacy for one's values is complicity with evil.
It didn't take many words to say that in answer to your question.
Tis ironic that it took so many to explain & justify it though, eh.
 
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Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
Know what I think of your suspicions?
Rubbish!
In this particular case you may well be right.

Yes, to give up advocacy for one's values is complicity with evil.
I agree. So what does it mean to tolerate counterposed values? More specifically, what does it mean to tolerate such things as Confederate monuments or white supremacist mobilizations?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
In this particular case you may well be right.


I agree. So what does it mean to tolerate counterposed values? More specifically, what does it mean to tolerate such things as Confederate monuments or white supremacist mobilizations?
I asked in another thread what it means to tolerate opposing opinions.
Many were interested, but no one answered.
It seems too nebulous a term to apply.
Instead, I might favor, oppose, or be neutral/undecided about some views or organizations.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Is the issue one of intolerance towards nativism and bigotry or how that intolerance manifests?
At what point does tolerance become facilitation?
Most of the time tolerance comes with the caveat of allowing things so long as it is not harmful to the self or others. If something is considered a danger we will hear it from the tolerant, they may even go as far as trying stop the danger.
 
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idav

Being
Premium Member
In this particular case you may well be right.


I agree. So what does it mean to tolerate counterposed values? More specifically, what does it mean to tolerate such things as Confederate monuments or white supremacist mobilizations?
IMO the monuments are being targeted as a way to fight the backlash from Trump emboldening race superiority.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
IMO the monuments are being targeted as a way to fight the backlash from Trump emboldening race superiority.
Or is Trump not emboldening race superiority, but lefties mistakenly believe so?
And their reaction is causing white nationalists to become more active?
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Both look possible to me, since the left sure has gone crazy over Trump.
I was seeing just as much bickering on the GOP side since the primaries. It was all down hill once David Duke got involved, regardless of Trumps intentions.
 

Jeremiahcp

Well-Known Jerk
In this particular case you may well be right.


I agree. So what does it mean to tolerate counterposed values? More specifically, what does it mean to tolerate such things as Confederate monuments or white supremacist mobilizations?

It means I don't run them over with my car. There is a line to where it passes into human rights and tolerance is respecting their rights as humans. These type of conflicts such as racism are harmful to society, but our rights must be persevered, and we must also use those rights to correct these issues. Humans still have their natural methods for correcting social behavior, and that is social shaming, we have to repeatably display that their behavior is not acceptable.
 
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