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BG 2:25. This (Self) is said to be unmanifested, unthinkable and unchangeable. Therefore, knowing This to be such, thou should not grieve.
When did Kalyan worry about that?
Lost with basics.... Atma is we hello..I is atma, if I say you are thinking, you here refers to jIva from where the knowlege comes to manas and thinking part is done there, you need to be clear on the distinction between atma (I) and insentient body..well I rest here, open BG read it if it is available in ur local language.Re-read my last post. 2 words for you.BG 2:25. This (Self) is said to be unmanifested, unthinkable and unchangeable. Therefore, knowing This to be such, thou should not grieve.
How do you know Atman is not controlling the heartbeat? Your mind is making unwarranted assumptions about the Atman, chant Hare Krishna and calm it down
Dear Friend, Krishna is non-different from your Atman! So attaining Self and Sri Krishna are the same thing.
Achintya.....
I've already said when Lord Krishna says "Me", it is Atman not the conventional me, where's the confusion?
atman of Krushna ?
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weak argument , very weak, just because 2 different entities have some similar attributes, you cannot claim equality in both of them. Fail of Logic,
Atman is One, the same, unchanging and Transcendental.atman of Krushna ?
and if atman is me, why he said 2 paths for 1 who wants 'me' and 1 who wants 'atma' if both are equal acc. to you?
somewhere ? paths are different, for one attaining atma or self , the path is very difficult, these are Krushna words not mine and the happiness is also minor he says.......He said one who attains atma needs to constantly think of 'Visarga Kriya' plus 3 other things, the paths are completely different and that is why in 7th chapter he says 'Jijnasa' is one who craves for self , and Jnani is the person who craves him alone.... I think by now you got the distinction but you are choosing to live in denial finding it harder to overwrite the ideology who have previously in mind.....
C'mon not similar, but exactly the same. Please read that verse again
I've already said, Sri Krishna is the Atman of you and me. Atman is One!
can you show me reference where Lord Krishna distinguishes the two types of Moksha you're referring to?
Bg 2.14 — O son of Kuntī, the nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress, and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, O scion of Bharata, and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed.
as per your first quote, Sri Krushna also says Prakriti or nature is eternal, then you cannot equate Prakriti is paramaatma just by eternalness factor alone., think you got my point here.
All paths lead to Jnana, Self Realization. That's the reason Krishna has glorified all yogas, so as to inspire the seekers.
Prakriti is ever-changing, Atman is constant always, so is Brahman
I agree with this definitely but I am just pointing out what Krushna said in BG.....Ofcourse attaining self which is eternal too is very great but those who attain self will be devoid of bhagawan.
Prakriti is changing as you rightly said, hence it is called anithyam but it is satyam because what we see as log of wood one days can turn it into ashes, only the form and name changes but the 5 elements it is composed off never go away, matter can be neither created nor can be destroyed kind of eternal
I think it is fruitful in the sense, am about to bring the right points which ofcourse not mine but Krushnas
