Alabama passes bill making some transgender healthcare a felony

[Kooky]

It is. It's to prevent minors from being on puberty blockers, undergoing cross-sex hormone therapy and having sex change surgery.

Has that ever actually been legal in the US?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Has that ever actually been legal in the US?

Yes. Puberty blockers with parental consent and sex reassignment surgery as young as 17 with parental consent in some states, on a case by case basis with doctor approval.

Younger in Europe (especially Germany) is more common though.

 

[Kooky]

Yes. Puberty blockers with parental consent and sex reassignment surgery as young as 17 with parental consent in some states, on a case by case basis with doctor approval.

Younger in Europe (especially Germany) is more common though.

So, parental consent and doctoral approval is needed, as with every other medical treatment for minors.

I could see how that would be a bridge too far for those who think medicine shouldn't be in the hands of trained professionals, though I am surprised that a culture that considers children essentially their parents' property is disapproving of such amount of parental control. I suppose transphobia can bridge even such an obvious paradox.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

So, parental consent and doctoral approval is needed, as with every other medical treatment for minors.

Yep, and not just one doctor either. Both physical and psychological evaluation and lots of paperwork. Just like when I had my breast reduction surgery as a minor.

 

[Kooky]

It is. It's to prevent minors from being on puberty blockers, undergoing cross-sex hormone therapy and having sex change surgery.

Does it also prevent sex surgery on infants with intergender characteristics, or is that still legal across the board?

We don't know what the effects of not allowing a person to go through their natural puberty may be.

Sure we do. The development of intergender people who had to undergo forced sex surgery as infants is well documented at this point.

Permanently sterilizing kids looks bad, especially since they could end up regretting it.

Of course, regardless of the wishes of the person, it is important that the reproductive ability of females be not impeded - that is of paramount importance to the state: Better to leave them miserable for their entire lives, than to have one less woman the state might be able to force into pregnancy via anti-abortion legislation.

 

[nPeace]

April 7 (Reuters) - Alabama lawmakers passed a bill on Thursday that would criminalize gender-affirming healthcare for transgender youth, with a threat of 10 years in prison for medical providers.

The legislation, passed 66-28 by the state's House of Representatives on the last day of the legislative session, is the latest in a flurry of measures in Republican-led states dealing with transgender youth.

The American Civil Liberties Union called it the first bill of its kind to make healthcare for transgender youth a felony and said it would challenge the bill in court if Republican Governor Kay Ivey signed it into law.

The bill would make it a felony punishable with up to 10 years in prison to provide medical care including hormone treatment, puberty blockers and gender reassignment surgery to minors.

Democrats in the minority tried to fight the bill in part by arguing it contradicted Republican principles on the role of government.
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You know, the question has to be raised: what exactly is it that motivates so bloody much attention by conservative states about people who represent 0.58% of the US population? Surely, it can't be trying to find an enemy to get their base to focus on -- and maybe take action to hurt. (That shouldn't be difficult, since the Republican base outnumbers transgenders by literally hundreds of thousands to one.

Maybe it's because they consider such health care criminal.
FDA: Thousands of Deaths Linked to Puberty Blockers
I would not blame people who don't ignore facts for personal preference though.
If there is solid evidence to the contrary, then I would think they were mistaken, even though they may be sincere in their view.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Well it says youth so I'm under the impression it's to prevent abuse.

By "prevent," did you mean "inflict"?

 

[Twilight Hue]

By "prevent," did you mean "inflict"?

No, it's prevent. It's abuse to encourage decisions on a minor that may prove traumatic later on.

 

[SomeRandom]

No, it's prevent. It's abuse to encourage decisions on a minor that may prove traumatic later on.

As opposed to allow them to suffer in a body they hate?
One that could have easily been prevented with say puberty blockers?

Don’t get me wrong here, I think major medical decisions should be done at 18. And if required before then, should involve medical professionals and parents/guardians.

But the studies are in and we can scan for gender dysphoria at a much younger age than 18.

 

[SomeRandom]

Maybe it's because they consider such health care criminal.
FDA: Thousands of Deaths Linked to Puberty Blockers
I would not blame people who don't ignore facts for personal preference though.
If there is solid evidence to the contrary, then I would think they were mistaken, even though they may be sincere in their view.

Oof can you please get a better source than Breitbart? I’m well aware of them and their reputation isn’t exactly Umm “clean” shall we say?
Perhaps a medical journal? Despite their mumbo jumbo, they’re usually pretty alright

(I say this as a non American. US politics means nothing to me.)

 

[fantome profane]

No, it's prevent. It's abuse to encourage decisions on a minor that may prove traumatic later on.

Who in your opinion should be making medical decisions for minors?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Who in your opinion should be making medical decisions for minors?

Doctors and psychology first.

But remember it's the medical community that establishes when a mind is mature enough as well.

18 is a good age for one to make certain decisions for themselves where it really lays.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Maybe it's because they consider such health care criminal.
FDA: Thousands of Deaths Linked to Puberty Blockers
I would not blame people who don't ignore facts for personal preference though.
If there is solid evidence to the contrary, then I would think they were mistaken, even though they may be sincere in their view.

Compare potential risks with benefits:
Review: Puberty blockers for transgender and gender diverse youth-a critical review of the literature - PubMed

This is why decisions should be between a doctor and the patient.

 

[fantome profane]

Doctors and psychology first.

But remember it's the medical community that establishes when a mind is mature enough as well.

18 is a good age for one to make certain decisions for themselves where it really lays.

I completely agree with you. Which is why this bill is so dangerous.

Yes, minors should not be making serious medical decisions for themselves till they are 18. But that doesn’t mean you can withhold all medical treatments until then.

If the parents and the doctors agree that a certain treatments is indicated, and the medical community agrees that such treatments are acceptable and even necessary in certain situations, then who should have the authority to deny those treatments?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No, it's prevent. It's abuse to encourage decisions on a minor that may prove traumatic later on.

Encourage? How do you think the medical field works?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Doctors and psychology first.

But remember it's the medical community that establishes when a mind is mature enough as well.

18 is a good age for one to make certain decisions for themselves where it really lays.

Doctors and psychology first. They don't agree with this arbitrary "wait until its too late" garbage. They don't agree someone has to wait until 18, yet you are insisting that doesn't matter.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I completely agree with you. Which is why this bill is so dangerous.

Yes, minors should not be making serious medical decisions for themselves till they are 18. But that doesn’t you can withhold all medical treatments until then.

If the parents and the doctors agree that a certain treatments is indicated, and the medical community agrees that such treatments are acceptable and even necessary in certain situations, then who should have the authority to deny those treatments?

Maybe it revolves around exactly why the blockers are so nessessary. I think there are inherent dangers and consequences whenever body minupulatin gets involved.

I suppose it depends on factors like safety and consistency among varied body types.

People are genetically different and react differently to such minupulatin. The side affects and impact needs to be taken in account.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Doctors and psychology first. They don't agree with this arbitrary "wait until its too late" garbage.

Rash decision-making is foolish and unprofessional.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If the parents and the doctors agree that a certain treatments is indicated, and the medical community agrees that such treatments are acceptable and even necessary in certain situations, then who should have the authority to deny those treatments?

That's all that should matter.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Rash decision-making is foolish and unprofessional.

It's not a rash decision. Thanks for proving you don't know how this works yet want to feign certainty in the subject.