Alabama passes bill making some transgender healthcare a felony

[fantome profane]

No need the article is clear enough as it is.

Now you completely misunderstood me.

 

[Sand Dancer]

April 7 (Reuters) - Alabama lawmakers passed a bill on Thursday that would criminalize gender-affirming healthcare for transgender youth, with a threat of 10 years in prison for medical providers.

The legislation, passed 66-28 by the state's House of Representatives on the last day of the legislative session, is the latest in a flurry of measures in Republican-led states dealing with transgender youth.

The American Civil Liberties Union called it the first bill of its kind to make healthcare for transgender youth a felony and said it would challenge the bill in court if Republican Governor Kay Ivey signed it into law.

The bill would make it a felony punishable with up to 10 years in prison to provide medical care including hormone treatment, puberty blockers and gender reassignment surgery to minors.

Democrats in the minority tried to fight the bill in part by arguing it contradicted Republican principles on the role of government.
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You know, the question has to be raised: what exactly is it that motivates so bloody much attention by conservative states about people who represent 0.58% of the US population? Surely, it can't be trying to find an enemy to get their base to focus on -- and maybe take action to hurt. (That shouldn't be difficult, since the Republican base outnumbers transgenders by literally hundreds of thousands to one.

Gotta love the "small government" party.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Gotta love the "small government" party.

I suppose you have a pertinent point.

I think its giving some people a taste of their own medicine, hence legislation "for the children"

Revenge politics seems to be the the trend of this era but hypocrites are still the norm here.

Touting protection for minors and violating their own stand when an opposition steps in touting the same theme for protection of minors.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Yes it is. Did you even bother to read the article?

It seems that you didn’t. Using puberty blockers to pause irreversible changes until the person is sure - and old enough for informed consent - is a felony.

You say that "a hold until adulthood" is the reasonable course. Well, these fools made "a hold until adulthood" a crime.


Read..

"
The bill would make it a felony punishable with up to 10 years in prison to provide medical care including hormone treatment, puberty blockers and gender reassignment surgery to minors."


Once an adult, there is nothing illegal about it.

The whole thing is a nothingburger.[/QUOTE]

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Gotta love the "small government" party.

Years ago, I heard the line "Republicans believe in a government that's small enough to cram into a vagina." It seemed apt at the time and since then, they keep doubling down on that philosophy.

 

[nPeace]

Compare potential risks with benefits:
Review: Puberty blockers for transgender and gender diverse youth-a critical review of the literature - PubMed

This is why decisions should be between a doctor and the patient.

I don't have much knowledge on this, as it is not something I see a need to thoroughly research (Perhaps there may come a time when I see that need).

I did have a conversation with Unveiled Artist some time back, where I found information that said in part...
As there is evidence that many psychiatric disorders persist despite positive affirmation and medical transition, it is puzzling why transition would come to be seen as a key goal rather than other outcomes, such as improved quality of life and reduced morbidity.

There is a danger that poor-quality data are being used to support gender affirmation and transition without the strength of evidence that would normally determine pathways of care. One 20-year Swedish longitudinal cohort study showed persisting high levels of psychiatric morbidity, suicidal acts and completed suicide many years after medical transition.

That agrees with this...
Puberty blockers do not alleviate negative thoughts in children with gender dysphoria, finds study
Puberty blockers used to treat children aged 12 to 15 who have severe and persistent gender dysphoria had no significant effect on their psychological function, thoughts of self-harm, or body image, a study has found.1

However, as expected, the children experienced reduced growth in height and bone strength by the time they finished their treatment at age 16.

I just know that everyone has an opinion.
Early Medical Treatment of Children and Adolescents With Gender Dysphoria: An Empirical Ethical Study

As I said, Maybe it's because the Alabama lawmakers consider such health care criminal.
If their decision is based of facts rather than personal preference, I don't blame them.
If there is solid evidence to the contrary, then I would think they were mistaken, even though they may be sincere in their view.

 

[Twilight Hue]

It seems that you didn’t. Using puberty blockers to pause irreversible changes until the person is sure - and old enough for informed consent - is a felony.

You say that "a hold until adulthood" is the reasonable course. Well, these fools made "a hold until adulthood" a crime.


Read..

"
The bill would make it a felony punishable with up to 10 years in prison to provide medical care including hormone treatment, puberty blockers and gender reassignment surgery to minors."


Once an adult, there is nothing illegal about it.

The whole thing is a nothingburger.

[/QUOTE]
So 'irreversible changes' is referring to the natural and normal course of a body's growth?

Is that what your implying?

 

[nPeace]

Lots of medications have serious risks. They should be prescribed with care by medical professionals and those taking them need to be informed of all the risks.

I don't know. Thousands of death by medication doesn't sound like "Lots of medications" to me.
I think that's one reason why they investigate practitioners for negligence, if deaths occur in relatively healthy people

Can you name some of those "Lots of medications".
In a case like that, it sounds like one might as well die, not taking the medication.

 

[fantome profane]

I don't know. Thousands of death by medication doesn't sound like "Lots of medications" to me.
I think that's one reason why they investigate practitioners for negligence, if deaths occur in relatively healthy people

Can you name some of those "Lots of medications".
In a case like that, it sounds like one might as well die, not taking the medication.

The question is who is best qualified to access these risks and decide if it is appropriate.

Let me make it multiple choice.

A) someone who looked at an article on the internet and maybe read part of it.

B) the Alabama legislature.

C) medical experts who specialize in this area in consultation with the child’s guardians who love that child and understand their needs.


Please understand that I am not prescribing any medication. I am not recommending any child commence transition. I am not qualified to do that. I don’t think anyone who has posted in this thread is in a position to make decisions like that for a child they don’t know, either way. And I certainly don’t think a decision like that should be left up to politicians who have neither the medical expertise, nor the best interests of the child in mind.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So 'irreversible changes' is referring to the natural and normal course of a body's growth?

Is that what your implying?

Yes. Puberty makes irreversible changes to the body.

It's unreasonable to expect a girl who will live her whole adult life as a woman to needlessly have to deal with a deepened voice and facial hair.

It's unreasonable to expect a boy who will live his whole adult life as a man to needlessly have to deal with growing breasts.

Puberty blockers allow for the "hold" you say you want.

... or are you just interested in being as ****ty as possible to trans kids?

 

[SomeRandom]

Is this any better.
How does media get away with fake news on an organization like FDA though?
Wouldn't that be risking paying out tens of thousands of dollars?

@SomeRandom This seems to match.
FDA: Drug Used as Puberty Blocker for Transgender Youth Linked to Thousands of Deaths

Isn’t the FDA like your leading body of experts for medicine in the US?
Sorry they don’t have the clearest (or indeed the cleanest) reputation overseas. But that could be more down to how your health care system works.
I guess one too many jokes at how easily they’re supposedly bribed for “outrageous medical costs” might do that.

Maybe that’s my mistake, as I’m not American so not fully up to date with the specifics.

And whilst your link is marginally better (I’ll give it a more thorough reading later. Apologies, a couple glasses down and I don’t wish to be uncharitable.)
Showing a mere “link” doesn’t tell me if it’s a causal one or not.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It's not inflicting anything.

It's just a hold until adulthood.

You are inflicting the pains of forcing someone to have a body they don't want. Like your idea of just put a dress on. What about when dresses begin to not fit right? What about when shoulders get bigger? Or what of FtMs who are prone to having problems finding clothes small enough?
It's all avoidable but you don't think this decision is something that should be made between a doctor and patient.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Touting protection for minors and violating their own stand when an opposition steps in touting the same theme for protection of minors.

Removing a decision that can only ethically be made between a doctor and patient is not protecting anyone but a heinous infringement upon individual liberties and freedoms AND healthcare rights.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I don't have much knowledge on this, as it is not something I see a need to thoroughly research (Perhaps there may come a time when I see that need).

I did have a conversation with Unveiled Artist some time back, where I found information that said in part...
As there is evidence that many psychiatric disorders persist despite positive affirmation and medical transition, it is puzzling why transition would come to be seen as a key goal rather than other outcomes, such as improved quality of life and reduced morbidity.

There is a danger that poor-quality data are being used to support gender affirmation and transition without the strength of evidence that would normally determine pathways of care. One 20-year Swedish longitudinal cohort study showed persisting high levels of psychiatric morbidity, suicidal acts and completed suicide many years after medical transition.

That agrees with this...
Puberty blockers do not alleviate negative thoughts in children with gender dysphoria, finds study
Puberty blockers used to treat children aged 12 to 15 who have severe and persistent gender dysphoria had no significant effect on their psychological function, thoughts of self-harm, or body image, a study has found.1

However, as expected, the children experienced reduced growth in height and bone strength by the time they finished their treatment at age 16.

From the study cited in the above article:

"Most participants reported positive or a mixture of positive and negative life changes on GnRHa. Anticipated adverse events were common."

This doesn't quite vibe with the headline of your posted article, and I couldn't get the full article to review.

I do concede that longer-term studies are likely needed, and the impact of puberty blockers both mentally and physically are likely to be individual, but again I stress:

This is a matter between a patient and their doctor.

Short-term outcomes of pubertal suppression in a selected cohort of 12 to 15 year old young people with persistent gender dysphoria in the UK

I just know that everyone has an opinion.
Early Medical Treatment of Children and Adolescents With Gender Dysphoria: An Empirical Ethical Study

As I said, Maybe it's because the Alabama lawmakers consider such health care criminal.
If their decision is based of facts rather than personal preference, I don't blame them.
If there is solid evidence to the contrary, then I would think they were mistaken, even though they may be sincere in their view.

My guess is there are a lot of political and personal biases at play here.

 

[KW]

April 7 (Reuters) - Alabama lawmakers passed a bill on Thursday that would criminalize gender-affirming healthcare for transgender youth, with a threat of 10 years in prison for medical providers.

The legislation, passed 66-28 by the state's House of Representatives on the last day of the legislative session, is the latest in a flurry of measures in Republican-led states dealing with transgender youth.

The American Civil Liberties Union called it the first bill of its kind to make healthcare for transgender youth a felony and said it would challenge the bill in court if Republican Governor Kay Ivey signed it into law.

The bill would make it a felony punishable with up to 10 years in prison to provide medical care including hormone treatment, puberty blockers and gender reassignment surgery to minors.

Democrats in the minority tried to fight the bill in part by arguing it contradicted Republican principles on the role of government.
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You know, the question has to be raised: what exactly is it that motivates so bloody much attention by conservative states about people who represent 0.58% of the US population? Surely, it can't be trying to find an enemy to get their base to focus on -- and maybe take action to hurt. (That shouldn't be difficult, since the Republican base outnumbers transgenders by literally hundreds of thousands to one.

Genital mutilation is not health care.

What next? Liposuction for anorexics?

 

[fantome profane]

Genital mutilation is not health care

No, usually it is religion.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Does it also prevent sex surgery on infants with intergender characteristics, or is that still legal across the board?


Sure we do. The development of intergender people who had to undergo forced sex surgery as infants is well documented at this point.


Of course, regardless of the wishes of the person, it is important that the reproductive ability of females be not impeded - that is of paramount importance to the state: Better to leave them miserable for their entire lives, than to have one less woman the state might be able to force into pregnancy via anti-abortion legislation.

You brought up something that needs to be explored. Do these Republicans oppose circumcision of minor males?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

You brought up something that needs to be explored. Do these Republicans oppose circumcision of minor males?

Not a bit. They're mostly cut themselves, as are most American males born in the USA.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Not a bit. They're mostly cut themselves, as are most American males born in the USA.

But but, they're not even Jewish!

 

[Twilight Hue]

Yes. Puberty makes irreversible changes to the body.

It's unreasonable to expect a girl who will live her whole adult life as a woman to needlessly have to deal with a deepened voice and facial hair.

It's unreasonable to expect a boy who will live his whole adult life as a man to needlessly have to deal with growing breasts.

Puberty blockers allow for the "hold" you say you want.

... or are you just interested in being as ****ty as possible to trans kids?

It's pretty pathetic and deranged to now label the normal and natural process of human growth as abnormal.