Alabama passes bill making some transgender healthcare a felony

[SomeRandom]

In line with Uncle Sam's stupidity that claims weed is worse than heroine or crack cocaine, that's only losers and bad people who use then, but worse with the threats of an angry god and eternal damnation (a first time use and accidental overdose sent these two girls to Hell in the play Heaven's Gates/Hell's Flames.

That’s beyond nuts.

I remember when I was in high school there was an “ice epidemic” among teens in clubs.
I guess as a result we suddenly all had to learn about “drug safety.” What the different drugs look like, how they react in your body, how to spot an overdose, what to do if you spot an overdose that kind of thing. Obviously they told us not to consume drugs, but I guess the overall attitude was “well, if you little hooligans are going to get high, at least don’t die!!”

In my health class (which is an “optional” class) there was weirdly more fear mongering over cigarettes. No misinformation, but I suspect there was a bit of hyperbole.
And oddly enough how unsafe a lot of overly processed US farm products/meat is.

I didn’t really think about it before. But I guess I’m thankful my school was always honest with us

 

[Ashoka]

Really? You are going to associate changing your gender with getting your ears pierced? Please!

Tw: Self harm mention

One is a choice the child makes about their body. The other is a parent forcing something on the child.

No parent has a right to force their ideas about what they should do with their own body to the child, unless it harms themselves (such as in self-harm).

The child, however, has every right to decide their gender.

 

[Reyn]

Tw: Self harm mention

One is a choice the child makes about their body. The other is a parent forcing something on the child.

No parent has a right to force their ideas about what they should do with their own body to the child, unless it harms themselves (such as in self-harm).

The child, however, has every right to decide their gender.

Exactly why do you think it’s okay for a child to decide whether they are a boy or a girl? How even can they?

 

[Ashoka]

Exactly why do you think it’s okay for a child to decide whether they are a boy or a girl? How even can they?

If a young person tells their parents that they are transgender, the job of the parent is the love and accept them.

On another note, I also cannot stand gender reveal parties for that reason, because it's up to the child to eventually decide, not the parents or society.

 

[Reyn]

If a young person tells their parents that they are transgender, the job of the parent is the love and accept them.

On another note, I also cannot stand gender reveal parties for that reason, because it's up to the child to eventually decide, not the parents or society.

First. Who exactly is being hurt by a gender reveal party? Second, why are you supporting children to have the right to decide their gender? They are children. Their brains aren’t developed; they are still going through phases.

 

[Ashoka]

First. Who exactly is being hurt by a gender reveal party? Second, why are you supporting children to have the right to decide their gender? They are children. Their brains aren’t developed; they are still going through phases.

It reinforces the gender binary, and forces the parents idea of gender onto the child. If you have a gender reveal party and announce that the baby is a girl and the child ends up being a trans man later, it would hurt them a great deal. When the child comes to their parents and says, "I am transgender, please use he/him/his pronouns", and is met with "no you are a girl, you'll always be a girl" it can cause a lot of mental damage.

It's normal for children to go through phases; because that is how they figure out who they are. And, if a child tells me, "call me he" or "call me she" or "call me they" I'm going to respect their pronouns.

 

[Ashoka]

Reading this again I think I agree. My mind went to putting the child's hair up because sometimes long has to put up and restrained for safety reasons, but is this meant as a parent styling the child's hair as the parent wants regardless of what the child wants?

Yes. This happened to me a lot as a kid. I have a very sensitive scalp, and my mom would pull and yank it trying to brush it and get it into ponytails or pigtails (which I hated) or braids. She didn't do it intentionally to be mean, but I wish she would have listened when I said no.

 

[Reyn]

It reinforces the gender binary, and forces the parents idea of gender onto the child. If you have a gender reveal party and announce that the baby is a girl and the child ends up being a trans man later, it would hurt them a great deal. When the child comes to their parents and says, "I am transgender, please use he/him/his pronouns", and is met with "no you are a girl, you'll always be a girl" it can cause a lot of mental damage.

It's normal for children to go through phases; because that is how they figure out who they are. And, if a child tells me, "call me he" or "call me she" or "call me they" I'm going to respect their pronouns.

Why is it wrong to reinforce the gender binary? Why should a child with a penis, think himself a girl?

 

[Wildswanderer]

Tw: Self harm mention

One is a choice the child makes about their body. The other is a parent forcing something on the child.

No parent has a right to force their ideas about what they should do with their own body to the child, unless it harms themselves (such as in self-harm).

The child, however, has every right to decide their gender.

Let's see how that works with the law. A child can't decide to drive a car, drink whiskey, smoke or use tobacco. He is legally controlled by his or her parents or guardian in most every important aspect of life but you think he should be allowed to change his sex on a whim?
That's far more damaging than letting a kid get drunk or cut school.
Dos not compute.

 

[Wildswanderer]

We tamper with nature all of the time. You would almost surely be dead if we did not do so. And that has no connection to the fact of evolution at all.

What a pointless post.

Why would I be dead? We aren't talking about medicine for the good of the person. We are talking about changing the natural genetic makeup of the body, going against nature instead of assisting it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Let's see how that works with the law. A child can't decide to drive a car, drink whiskey, smoke or use tobacco. He is legally controlled by his or her parents or guardian in most every important aspect of life but you think he should be allowed to change his sex on a whim?
That's far more damaging than letting a kid get drunk or cut school.
Dos not compute.

How do you still have this belief it's done a whim when we have been over this before? It's not done on a whim and cannot be done on a whim and no surgeon upholding the standards of care will operate on someone doing it on a whim.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Why would I be dead? We aren't talking about medicine for the good of the person. We are talking about changing the natural genetic makeup of the body, going against nature instead of assisting it.

There's a decent chance in times past you'd be dead by now at your age from an injury, infection or act of violence. Infections especially used to be more serious amd deadly before anti-septics and anti-biotics.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

In my health class (which is an “optional” class) there was weirdly more fear mongering over cigarettes.

Cigarettes weren't focused on or given proper time like they should have been.
Alcohol was way downplayed (it frequently is in America, with many not even realizing it too is a drug).

No misinformation, but I suspect there was a bit of hyperbole.
And oddly enough how unsafe a lot of overly processed US farm products/meat is.

We didn't get that here.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why would I be dead? We aren't talking about medicine for the good of the person. We are talking about changing the natural genetic makeup of the body, going against nature instead of assisting it.

Now you are cherry picking. You do not get to pick and choose which parts of medicine to deny.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Let's see how that works with the law. A child can't decide to drive a car, drink whiskey, smoke or use tobacco. He is legally controlled by his or her parents or guardian in most every important aspect of life but you think he should be allowed to change his sex on a whim?
That's far more damaging than letting a kid get drunk or cut school.
Dos not compute.

Gender is cultural. Who are you to tell a person what they can or cannot think?

 

[Wildswanderer]

How do you still have this belief it's done a whim when we have been over this before? It's not done on a whim and cannot be done on a whim and no surgeon upholding the standards of care will operate on someone doing it on a whim.

So you are claiming no one who gets a sex change regrets it later?
It's all in the mind, therefore a whim. It's not real. Used to be known as mental illness for good reason.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Gender is cultural. Who are you to tell a person what they can or cannot think?

Thinking isn't the issue. Damaging your body unnecessarily is. Thinking doesn't equal reality.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Now you are cherry picking. You do not get to pick and choose which parts of medicine to deny.

This isn't medicine. It's damaging the natural makeup of the body.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Thinking isn't the issue. Damaging your body unnecessarily is. Thinking doesn't equal reality.

They are trying to avoid damaging their bodies. If one is biologically male and transgender puberty does damage to one's body from that perspective. Puberty blocking drugs are not perfect, but they do appear to be a reasonable compromise. Let's say that it actually a passing belief. Getting off of the puberty blockers allows one to return to "normal". But if one is truly transgender going through puberty will make irreversible changes that will make it even harder for person to be accepted as he or she is.

 

[Subduction Zone]

This isn't medicine. It's damaging the natural makeup of the body.

That is just your uneducated opinion. One that you cannot support. It is medicine, just because you do not believe it does not change the facts.