Alaska Gay marriage ban overturned

[Ingledsva]

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Judge overturns Alaska's same-sex marriage ban.

Federal judge rules Alaska's same-sex marriage ban unconstitutional | Alaska Dispatch

Yeah! It's about time. Religions should not be able to dictate such things to others.


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[oldbadger]

Good News!
May all the States follow suit...... Hell, may the whole World follow suit.

 

[Ingledsva]

Good News!
May all the States follow suit...... Hell, may the whole World follow suit.

Yep!


And coming up next is making marijuana totally legal here. I'll be voting. :yes:


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[RichardParker]

Yep!


And coming up next is making marijuana totally legal here. I'll be voting. :yes:


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First the gay thing! It's more important. Simply because in the case of marriage, it's a thing that leads to actual discrimination! Some people are allowed to do it, others not, based on completly arbitrary reasons.
Having marijuana illegal is a bit stupid too, true, but at least it's a law which is equal to everybody, and doesn't discriminate.

 

[Ingledsva]

First the gay thing! It's more important. Simply because in the case of marriage, it's a thing that leads to actual discrimination! Some people are allowed to do it, others not, based on completly arbitrary reasons.
Having marijuana illegal is a bit stupid too, true, but at least it's a law which is equal to everybody, and doesn't discriminate.

Yep - I have friends that can now get married.


Marijuana here is just a misdemeanor, and medical marijuana is legal, but this will make it totally legal, and we will be able to grow our own.



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[Jainarayan]

J.R.R. Tolkien said something like "the rolling of small pebbles begins an avalanche". The pebbles... they are a-rollin'.

 

[Skwim]

Just a matter of time when same sex discrimination in the USA will be in a grave next to slavery. Christians are slowly but surely loosing their grip on secular behavior, so's how about a toast to progress.

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[Vinayaka]

Only a couple more 'isms' to go.

 

[Apple Sugar]

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Judge overturns Alaska's same-sex marriage ban.

Federal judge rules Alaska's same-sex marriage ban unconstitutional | Alaska Dispatch

Yeah! It's about time. Religions should not be able to dictate such things to others.


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Religions don't need to dictate such things for such things to be disallowed because they are a violation of natural law and the traditional family model.

All Alaska needs to do, besides it's legislators uphold the USC definition of marriage, which SCOTUS did not redefine, is enter an amendment into the state constitution that says marriage is between one man and one woman.
That's it.

 

[Skwim]

Religions don't need to dictate such things for such things to be disallowed because they are a violation of natural law and the traditional family model.

Yet they do.

All Alaska needs to do, besides it's legislators uphold the USC definition of marriage, which SCOTUS did not redefine, is enter an amendment into the state constitution that says marriage is between one man and one woman.
That's it.

 

[Riverwolf]

Religions don't need to dictate such things for such things to be disallowed because they are a violation of natural law and the traditional family model.

No natural law is being violated, because no such natural law has been put forth.

As for "traditional family model", a more accurate term for that is "postwar family model"; that is to say, it's a family model that's only been a "tradition" for less than a century.

 

[Apple Sugar]

No natural law is being violated, because no such natural law has been put forth.

Sure it has.

As for "traditional family model", a more accurate term for that is "postwar family model"; that is to say, it's a family model that's only been a "tradition" for less than a century.[/quote] Not really.
Homosexuality has been condemned in most cultures around the world since civilization began. The family model is self-explanatory. Homosexuals can't reproduce. Ergo, no family save for two men or two women in a relationship.

 

[Riverwolf]

Sure it has.

Show the law.

Homosexuality has been condemned in most cultures around the world since civilization began. The family model is self-explanatory. Homosexuals can't reproduce. Ergo, no family save for two men or two women in a relationship.

It has not been condemned to the extent that is sometimes claimed. Ancient cultures generally had no problem with homosexuality, except perhaps as a quirk that some people had. What's often mistaken for discrimination against homosexuality is actually against "unmanliness". Besides, even if they were against it, so what? Most ancient cultures were also perfectly okay with killing other cultures for the most petty of reasons.

Furthermore, if you want the truly "traditional" family model, that household involves generations of people living together. Grandparents, parents, partners, siblings. As has been said, it takes a village to raise a child.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Homosexuals can't reproduce.

As if that's a bad thing.

 

[Riverwolf]

...wait a minute, homosexuals can reproduce if they want! Being attracted to a member of the same sex does not mean one is now incapable of having sex with someone from the other gender.

Besides, that also brings up the question of bisexuality and pansexuality. What about those? Polygamy and polyamory are just as old as monogamy.

And if reproduction from choosing not to have sex is the source of the problem, is it then a sin to be asexual? Or abstinent?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

...wait a minute, homosexuals can reproduce if they want! Being attracted to a member of the same sex does not mean one is now incapable of having sex with someone from the other gender.

Besides, that also brings up the question of bisexuality and pansexuality. What about those? Polygamy and polyamory are just as old as monogamy.

And if reproduction from choosing not to have sex is the source of the problem, is it then a sin to be asexual? Or abstinent?

Sure, there's gays and lesbians who can and have had sex with the opposite sex. There's also in vitro and surrogacy.

 

[Apple Sugar]

Show the law.

Besides the U.S. code, nature itself, and the ultimate source for the U.S. Constitution?

It has not been condemned to the extent that is sometimes claimed.

Show the evidence of that.

Ancient cultures generally had no problem with homosexuality, except perhaps as a quirk that some people had. What's often mistaken for discrimination against homosexuality is actually against "unmanliness". Besides, even if they were against it, so what? Most ancient cultures were also perfectly okay with killing other cultures for the most petty of reasons.

You really don't carry a consistent point there. Generally had, besides if they were, so what? Then a segway into something totally off the topic.

Furthermore, if you want the truly "traditional" family model, that household involves generations of people living together. Grandparents, parents, partners, siblings. As has been said, it takes a village to raise a child.

And they all stem from one man and one woman.

 

[Apple Sugar]

...wait a minute, homosexuals can reproduce if they want!

Not unto their own devices they can't.
Straights can reproduce with surrogates if they're infertile. But if they were healthy and fertile as a couple they could reproduce naturally.

That's the point. Homosexuals can't reproduce as a couple to themselves. That's also a part of natural law.

 

[sojourner]

Religions don't need to dictate such things for such things to be disallowed because they are a violation of natural law and the traditional family model.

All Alaska needs to do, besides it's legislators uphold the USC definition of marriage, which SCOTUS did not redefine, is enter an amendment into the state constitution that says marriage is between one man and one woman.
That's it.

What "natural law" is that?
What "traditional family model" is that? The one where marriages are arranged, men can have concubines, children are forced into marriage, etc?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Who cares about reproduction. There's too many humans as it is. There's so many abused, neglected and abandoned children but we still want to act like popping out more babies is a virtue. Just because a certain form of sex can produce children doesn't mean it's the be all and end all of sex and should be held up as the standard.