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Alex the African grey understands the concept of zero

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
Robert Roy Britt
LiveScience Senior Writer
LiveScience.com Fri Jul 8, 2:06 PM ET


A parrot has grasped the concept of zero, something humans can't do until at least the toddler phase, researchers say.

Alex, a 28-year-old African gray parrot who lives in a lab at Brandeis University in Massachusetts, has a brain the size of a walnut. But when confronted with no items on a tray where usually there are some, he says "none."

Zero is thought to be a rather abstract concept even for people. Children typically don't grasp it until age three or four, Brandeis researchers say. Some ancient cultures lacked a formal term for zilch, even as recently as the Middle Ages.

Feathered phenom

Alex is a fairly skilled counter. In a test, he said "none" when items on his tray were cleared. More trials were done, and the avian Einstein "consistently demonstrated the ability to identify zero quantity by saying the label 'none,'" the study concluded.

Alex's null may be slightly different than your nada.

"Alex has a zero-like concept; it's not identical to ours but he repeatedly showed us that he understands an absence of quantity," said Irene Pepperberg, who led the research

The result, published in the current issue of the Journal of Comparative Psychology, adds to growing evidence that birds and other animals are smarter than we thought.

A 2003 study in the journal Nature, for example, found that common marsh birds called coots can recognize and count their own eggs, even when other eggs are in the nest.

Black-capped chickadees were recently found to warn colleagues of danger by chirping about the size and actual threat of individual predators. The language of prairie dogs includes a word for humans.

Some animal intelligence is hauntingly familiar, like the male monkeys that pay to see female monkey bottoms. And studies show that monkeys, dogs and rats all know how to laugh.

There are obvious limits to animal intelligence, of course. Take the 450 sheep who recently jumped to their deaths for no apparent reason.

Parroting behavior?

One question that dogs animal intelligence research is whether remarkable, humanlike behaviors are innate and truly cerebral or if a creature is just parroting a trainer.

"It is doubtful that Alex's achievement, or those of some other animals such as chimps, can be completely trained," Pepperberg said. "Rather, it seems likely that these skills are based on simpler cognitive abilities they need for survival, such as recognition of more versus less."

Pepperberg said the study could help shed light on human learning disabilities.

She now plans to find out how well Alex can add and subtract.


This brings up something that has been an endless source of frustration for me: People that buy parrots without understanding just how intelligent they are.


You can't just leave them alone all day like you can with a cat or a dog... they need stimulation and change in their environment and toys that challenge and interest them. Too many people seem to think of them as simply moving furniture. :(


I've heard some people say Alex is just an average grey, and not the pinnacle of parrot intelligence. I wonder what a genius of the parrot world could do...
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
That's very interesting; we had an African grey in.........Africa:D As you say, they are incredibly intelligent; as for "has a brain the size of a walnut. - I feel humbled - that must make him twice as intelligent as I!


I agree with you about people taking on unsuitable pets - spontaneously. Something that really upsets me is the number of abandoned dogs when the weather is good, and people want to go on holiday; put the dog in kennels ? - that's expensive - let's just dump him on the side of the motorway......:mad:
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
This is a problem with most of the parrots. They need to socialize if they are to remain healthy. They are very high-maintenance companions. They are like kids. They need almost constant human interaction.

If you can't make them a major focus of your life, get a cat or dog.
 

kreeden

Virus of the Mind
Which is why I don't have pets . No time . :(

BTW , yes animals are smarter then we often think . A parrots are not even the most intelligent of birds ...
 

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
I wasn't aware there were birds more intelligent than parrots... what species is more intelligent than the larger parrots? :) I love learning about animal intelligence.
 

fromthe heart

Well-Known Member
Seyorni said:
This is a problem with most of the parrots. They need to socialize if they are to remain healthy. They are very high-maintenance companions. They are like kids. They need almost constant human interaction.

If you can't make them a major focus of your life, get a cat or dog.
Apparently you have never met my poodles...They are high maintenence...they DEMAND my attention and will throw an absolute fit if they don't get it. NOW cats on the other hand are a very low maintenence animal...they are too much into grooming to care if you want their attention.:jiggy:
 

kreeden

Virus of the Mind
Jensa said:
I wasn't aware there were birds more intelligent than parrots... what species is more intelligent than the larger parrots? :) I love learning about animal intelligence.
According to a study done by Louis Lefebvre , an animal behaviorist at McGill's University , Crows and Falcons rank the most intelligence among birds , followed by Hawks , Woodpeckers and Herons . Lefebvre developed a non-standart form of test that he considers fairer then standart IQ tests .

I have to add that I'm not sure what species was included in his study . I'm assuming that the Parrot was . ???
 

Bastet

Vile Stove-Toucher
fromthe heart said:
Apparently you have never met my poodles...They are high maintenence...they DEMAND my attention and will throw an absolute fit if they don't get it. NOW cats on the other hand are a very low maintenence animal...they are too much into grooming to care if you want their attention.:jiggy:
Apparently you have never met my cat... ;)

I was watching 'Guinness World Records' on tv a week or two ago, and they featured Alex the African Grey. He's apparently in the 'book' as the smartest bird in the world or something. He has a vocabulary of about 800 words, can not only recognise quantity of objects (or lack of) but also colour, shape etc. I was thinking of those people on here who own such birds when I was watching. :p
 

Druidus

Keeper of the Grove
I believ ravens are considered the smartest birds. Raptors don't rank nearly as high as the corvids, though, Kreeden. Where'd you get that from?

They were actually planning to teach Alex to read, as well.
 

jamaesi

To Save A Lamb
Lefebvre's IQ scale is based only on feeding innovations- something scavengers (like crows) and other predators (like hawks and herons) would do well at.

Examples of feeding innovations include-
`Vultures who, during the war of the liberation of Rhodesia (Zimbabwe), sat on fences by landmine-filled fields and waited for gazelle and other creatures to set them off and provide a prebroken-up meal.
`Crows who learned how to crack walnuts by placing them in front of the wheels of cars stopped at traffic lights. This was first observed in Japan, then in California.
`A great skua in Anartica who would feed on a mother seal's milk right along with the seal pups.
`Tits in England that learned how to open bottles of milk left on stoops.
`Herons that learned how to fish with bait. They would take twigs and place them at the water's surface and wait for a fish to come nibble at it.

Parrots, eating mainly seeds, fruits, grasses, and nuts, obviously don't have to be that ingeniuous in getting food.

From my research in this field, the birds I see come up most would be the corvids and parrots. Most corvids can't speak, which makes many think they are less intelligence on that alone- which isn't true.

Dr. Pepperberg believes Alex to have the intelligence of a five year old child. She also will readily admit that he's at most, an averagely intelligent African Grey parrot- if not a bit lower. (This I know from conversing with her). Many people don't seem to know this, but other Greys work with Alex. Currently they are Wart and Griffin. (Kyaaro used to be a part of the project, but was diagnosed with ADD and now lives a happy live outside of a lab environment.)


I was watching 'Guinness World Records' on tv a week or two ago, and they featured Alex the African Grey. He's apparently in the 'book' as the smartest bird in the world or something. He has a vocabulary of about 800 words, can not only recognise quantity of objects (or lack of) but also colour, shape etc. I was thinking of those people on here who own such birds when I was watching.
They must have gotten it wrong, Alex only knows a little over 100 words- but he knows what they all mean. He knows colour, shape, material the object is made from, and the concepts of "bigger" "smaller" "same" and "different." Alex also made up his own word. Knowing the words "banana" and "cherry" he combined the terms into "banaerry" to make a word for apple- a word he wasn't taught yet.

He can also count up to six and has a limited reading ability. One of my favourite stories when they were working on reading to impress a guest but Alex not wanting any part of it and demanding a nut. He finally got all slitty-eyed, as upset parrots do, and said "Want nut. Nun uuu tut."

Alex also has a well developed sense of humour, he enjoys ordering the interns around, and likes calls out the wrong answer when Wart and Griff are being trained- and scolding them when they answer a question wrong.


I work with my year old bare-eyed cockatoo, Squishy, using the method (Model/Rival Method) Dr. Pepperberg developed, and have had great success. Squishy knows six colours (red, orange, yellow, green, blue, and purple) and can say seven words (hello, hi, what, yes, no, red, and yellow). When I answer the phone or someone knocks at the door, she greets them with a "hello!" or five. She also hates bedtime and says "NO!" when she's put in her cage at night.

She also understands words such as "like" "want" "kiss" "peanut" and "scritchie," to name a few. I can ask her if she wants a peanut or a scritchie (to be pet) and I'll usually get a yes. : ) If I ask her if she's hungry or thirsty she'll respond with a yes or no. If she says no and I offer her water or food anyway she'll either say no again or take the food and stick it into my mouth.

She's too smart for her own good, sometimes.


I did my seniour project on animal intelligence, with a focus on avians, so I tend to ramble at great length on this topic. XD



Here are some amazing videos of animal intelligence- Alex is featured on some of them. I invite you all to watch them, they're fascinating.


Also, Alex is to be on the Discovery Channel on.. the 20th, I believe.
 

Druidus

Keeper of the Grove
Very informative, Jamaesi. I'd like to note that ravens, being the smartest birds in the world, are also one of the best, if not the best, mimics of sounds. In a captive environment they can learn what these mean, but in nature, they mimic sounds they like. For instance, there were several incidents where ravens here would mimic sounds. One really liked to mimic mechanical sounds. He got the blasting of dynamite down perfectly, along with bulldozers driving, cars backing up (beep, beep, beep...), motorcycles, ski-doos, and many others. As you can imagine, if he built a roost near your house, it could be a bittersweet event! ;)

Darwin recently turned one. She's not yet a full teenager, in "parrot years" (this will occur around four or five, but it does depend on the bird). Darwin is a Timneh african grey, or "TAG" (Alex is a Congo african grey, or "CAG"). Because she is a Timneh, she is slightly smaller than a Congo, her tail is more of a browner red, close to blackish even (though the red is clearly visible). Her beak is also horn coloured. However, the psychological differences are many. Timnehs are often more relaxed than Congos. This likely stems from the fact that both birds are typically sold at the same time, but Timnehs are more equipped to leave the nest at such an early age (typically two and a half to three months), because they learn all they need from their parents quicker than congos do.

Darwin currently does not speak very often at all. Sometimes, she tries to say my name, but she isn't very good at it. She once said a complete sentence, but I couldn't catch the exact words. However, she does know the meaning of the words "peanut", "hello", her name, "scratch", "up", and "down".

Jamaesi, how, exactly, do you perform the Model/Rival method of training with your cockatoo? I've been using my mother as a rival to teach Darwin "raisin", but she hasn't caught on yet, probably due to her age.

African greys are not as cuddly as cockatoos. Cockatoos are very outwardly emotional birds, and love to be touched. Darwin, however, only wants a headscratch now and then, or a beak rub. She tolerates me giving her a quick kiss, or petting her back a little bit, but she isn't terribly fond of it. My best chance for a little bit of cuddling is at night, before bed; when she's tired.
 

kreeden

Virus of the Mind
Druidus said:
I believ ravens are considered the smartest birds. Raptors don't rank nearly as high as the corvids, though, Kreeden. Where'd you get that from?
As I said , the study was done by Louis Lefebvre , an animal behaviorist at McGill's University . :) There were articles online about him and his work , but I'm not sure if they can still be found .

BTW , I would like to add that Crows don't like to be mimiced badly . :) They love being mimiced though , only they like it do well .
 
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