Aliens

[VoidCat]

Anyone else hear about the hearing regarding aliens and if they real or not? Here's a link on it:

https://www.npr.org/2023/07/27/1190390376/ufo-hearing-non-human-biologics-uaps

To my knowledge no evidence backs up the claims that they found nonhuman biologics at UFO crash sites but it's interesting none the less.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

I'm starting to think a lot of it has natural explanations. The hearings from Congress, rather than making me think that they're "real", actually made me further doubt it.

 

[YmirGF]

Anyone else hear about the hearing regarding aliens and if they real or not? Here's a link on it:

https://www.npr.org/2023/07/27/1190390376/ufo-hearing-non-human-biologics-uaps

To my knowledge no evidence backs up the claims that they found nonhuman biologics at UFO crash sites but it's interesting none the less.

It is mildly interesting, I suppose. ET is a bit more evasive than we have led ourselves to believe.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Anyone else hear about the hearing regarding aliens and if they real or not? Here's a link on it:

https://www.npr.org/2023/07/27/1190390376/ufo-hearing-non-human-biologics-uaps

To my knowledge no evidence backs up the claims that they found nonhuman biologics at UFO crash sites but it's interesting none the less.

Based on what I've personally witnessed and the evidence I've seen and heard over the years, I'm more inclined to believe that the accounts of UFOs and UAPs are true. To be honest, it seems implausible to me that humans are the only sentient beings in the vastness of outer space, let alone the Milky Way.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Based on what I've personally witnessed and the evidence I've seen and heard over the years, I'm more inclined to believe that the accounts of UFOs and UAPs are true. To be honest, it seems implausible to me that humans are the only sentient beings in the vastness of outer space, let alone the Milky Way.

I think so many would agree that it is unlikely that we are the only sentient beings in existence but the distances issue seems to be the main problem - as to any aliens getting here, and if they are capable of doing so, then not crashing apparently on arrival should be easy-peasy to those with such technology. It just reeks of government misinformation for whatever purposes - besides the innumerable false observations. Another factor is the abundance of cameras available now, such that surely the number of sightings, and recordings, should increase. This apparently isn't so.

 

[HonestJoe]

To my knowledge no evidence backs up the claims that they found nonhuman biologics at UFO crash sites but it's interesting none the less.

Non-human doesn't mean extra-terrestrial. In general, all of the claims seem to be third-hand opinion at best and I suspect is either based on misunderstanding or wilful misinformation. I do expect a couple of new books will be published off the back of it though. Speculation about aliens makes a lot more money than proof ever would.

 

[Quintessence]

It'd be impossible for them not to find non-human biologics at these crash sites. 99.9%+ of the life on this planet meets that definition. Speaking of, whenever this comes up, it just makes me wish humans would spend more time paying attention to life on this planet. That they are rapidly killing off with a sixth mass extinction event.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I think so many would agree that it is unlikely that we are the only sentient beings in existence but ...

Sentience is a bit more nuance a matter than on might thing -- see, for example, here -- and the questions get even more complex when one starts talking about the ability to respond to stimuli instead of sentience. The search for extra-terrestrial intelligence (SETI) is likely to be a bit more problematic, irrespective of the technical problems associated with interstellar space travel.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I think so many would agree that it is unlikely that we are the only sentient beings in existence but the distance issue seems to be the main problem - as to any aliens getting here, and if they are capable of doing so, then not crashing apparently on arrival should be easy-peasy to those with such technology. It just reeks of government misinformation for whatever purposes - besides the innumerable false observations. Another factor is the abundance of cameras available now, such that surely the number of sightings, and recordings, should increase. This apparently isn't so.

In my opinion, the fact that humans haven't yet figured out and mastered interstellar travel doesn't necessarily mean that extraterrestrials from deep space haven't. In fact, I think it's possible that humans are primitive in comparison to most, if not all, of them. I'm more inclined to believe that's true based on the two sightings I've had as well as the other compelling evidence that I've seen over the years. To be quite honest, I wouldn't be surprised if first contact occurred during my lifetime. In my opinion, I think that the reality of aliens from other planets existing and having visited our planet would be an earth-shattering experience for a lot of people. That's why I believe that top US officials have been progressively acclimating the American public to accepting some level of government disclosure on UFOs. I think a major disclosure of this magnitude would be emotionally devastating and petrifying to the vast majority of Americans. It would cause a massive, widespread panic and perhaps even an economic collapse. It could cause some people to take their lives or riot in the streets. I'm sure that an immediate disclosure of this magnitude would also cause a serious crisis of faith for the majority of religious people, especially fundamentalist and evangelical Christians. I think that the revelation that extraterrestrials actually exist would turn Christianity on its head.

In light of the risk of causing economic devastation and mass hysteria, I think that leading government officials are wise to release small quantities of declassified information to the American public relating to their knowledge of UFOs and alien life forms. In my opinion, this is something to think about: the fact is that top U.S. government officials have spent decades persistently denying that UFOs (and aliens) are real and discrediting anyone who dared to say otherwise. For example, the Roswell Incident took place between mid-June and early July 1947. That was 76 years ago, and the US government has spent the majority of these years persistently denying the existence of UFOs and aliens. So, why has the U.S. Pentagon released videos of suspected UFOs after 76 years of stubborn, outright denial that UFOs and aliens are real? For more examples of famous UFO sightings, I suggest reading this article here.

As I previously explained in a similar thread (links below), compelling evidence for UFOs and extraterrestrial visitations is out there if you are willing to search for it and maintain an open mind to the possibilities. Of course, what I've written in my posts is just my opinion, and others are free to disagree.

UFO's UAP's

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UFO's UAP's

From news today: UFO hearing key takeaways: What a whistleblower told Congress about UAP https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ufo-hearing-congress-uap-takeaways-whistleblower-conference-david-grusch-2023/ What's everyone's views on UFO's / UAP's? I was with a group at our local observatory recently...

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UFO's UAP's

From news today: UFO hearing key takeaways: What a whistleblower told Congress about UAP https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ufo-hearing-congress-uap-takeaways-whistleblower-conference-david-grusch-2023/ What's everyone's views on UFO's / UAP's? I was with a group at our local observatory recently...

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[Mock Turtle]

Sentience is a bit more nuance a matter than on might thing -- see, for example, here -- and the questions get even more complex when one starts talking about the ability to respond to stimuli instead of sentience. The search for extra-terrestrial intelligence (SETI) is likely to be a bit more problematic, irrespective of the technical problems associated with interstellar space travel.

Perhaps I was a bit loose and more referring to intelligent life that might make its way here. I have no idea what kind of life might exist elsewhere but there being none seems to be the least likely option.

 

[Mock Turtle]

In my opinion, the fact that humans haven't yet figured out and mastered interstellar travel doesn't necessarily mean that extraterrestrials from deep space haven't. In fact, I think it's possible that humans are primitive in comparison to most, if not all, of them. I'm more inclined to believe that's true based on the two sightings I've had as well as the other compelling evidence that I've seen over the years. To be quite honest, I wouldn't be surprised if first contact occurred during my lifetime. In my opinion, I think that the reality of aliens from other planets existing and having visited our planet would be an earth-shattering experience for a lot of people. That's why I believe that top US officials have been progressively acclimating the American public to accepting some level of government disclosure on UFOs. I think a major disclosure of this magnitude would be emotionally devastating and petrifying to the vast majority of Americans. It would cause a massive, widespread panic and perhaps even an economic collapse. It could cause some people to take their lives or riot in the streets. I'm sure that an immediate disclosure of this magnitude would also cause a serious crisis of faith for the majority of religious people, especially fundamentalist and evangelical Christians. I think that the revelation that extraterrestrials actually exist would turn Christianity on its head.

In light of the risk of causing economic devastation and mass hysteria, I think that leading government officials are wise to release small quantities of declassified information to the American public relating to their knowledge of UFOs and alien life forms. In my opinion, this is something to think about: the fact is that top U.S. government officials have spent decades persistently denying that UFOs (and aliens) are real and discrediting anyone who dared to say otherwise. For example, the Roswell Incident took place between mid-June and early July 1947. That was 76 years ago, and the US government has spent the majority of these years persistently denying the existence of UFOs and aliens. So, why has the U.S. Pentagon released videos of suspected UFOs after 76 years of stubborn, outright denial that UFOs and aliens are real? For more examples of famous UFO sightings, I suggest reading this article here.

As I previously explained in a similar thread (links below), compelling evidence for UFOs and extraterrestrial visitations is out there if you are willing to search for it and maintain an open mind to the possibilities. Of course, what I've written in my posts is just my opinion, and others are free to disagree.

UFO's UAP's

From news today: UFO hearing key takeaways: What a whistleblower told Congress about UAP https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ufo-hearing-congress-uap-takeaways-whistleblower-conference-david-grusch-2023/ What's everyone's views on UFO's / UAP's? I was with a group at our local observatory recently...

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UFO's UAP's

From news today: UFO hearing key takeaways: What a whistleblower told Congress about UAP https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ufo-hearing-congress-uap-takeaways-whistleblower-conference-david-grusch-2023/ What's everyone's views on UFO's / UAP's? I was with a group at our local observatory recently...

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UFO's UAP's

From news today: UFO hearing key takeaways: What a whistleblower told Congress about UAP https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ufo-hearing-congress-uap-takeaways-whistleblower-conference-david-grusch-2023/ What's everyone's views on UFO's / UAP's? I was with a group at our local observatory recently...

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Could be, but there are still other explanations as to the sightings - and apparently they aren't appearing on all those cameras we have, despite having apps to create them apparently. Compelling evidence is what one prefers to believe so often.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Perhaps I was a bit loose and more referring to intelligent life that might make its way here. I have no idea what kind of life might exist elsewhere but there being none seems to be the least likely option.

You may be right, but I suspect the intelligent life might well prove to be as unlikely as primitive life proves ubiquitous.

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

If alien species have mastered interstellar travel and who knows how many other technological and social problems to have come here, one wonders just why they would be at all interested in talking with humanity...

 

[sun rise]

I think so many would agree that it is unlikely that we are the only sentient beings in existence but the distances issue seems to be the main problem - as to any aliens getting here, and if they are capable of doing so, then not crashing apparently on arrival should be easy-peasy to those with such technology. It just reeks of government misinformation for whatever purposes - besides the innumerable false observations. Another factor is the abundance of cameras available now, such that surely the number of sightings, and recordings, should increase. This apparently isn't so.

I believe it's extremely unlikely we're the sole self-aware people in the universe. I've seen no credible evidence that they have visited Earth in the flesh in spite of time travel in Star Trek and other SF stories.

 

[Mock Turtle]

You may be right, but I suspect the intelligent life might well prove to be as unlikely as primitive life proves ubiquitous.

Given the apparent numbers of planets likely to be found around any and possibly every star and the timescale for existence, I can't believe we are likely to be the only intelligent species to be found. Plus the time it took for us to evolve could have happened simultaneously anywhere else or long before us. With only one example of life we necessarily will be making inaccurate guesses.

 

[HonestJoe]

In my opinion, the fact that humans haven't yet figured out and mastered interstellar travel doesn't necessarily mean that extraterrestrials from deep space haven't.

This isn't a question of whether one single element (or any of the many others) of this is possible, it is a question of whether specific (yet not as specific as they could be) assertions that are being made have any actual evidence supporting them, let alone anything like enough evidence to support those definitive conclusions.

In fact, I think it's possible that humans are primitive in comparison to most, if not all, of them. I'm more inclined to believe that's true based on the two sightings I've had as well as the other compelling evidence that I've seen over the years.

Compelling evidence for what exactly though? Sightings of things we can't (yet) explain doesn't support the specific idea that any kind extra-terrestrial beings have developed and used some means of travelling to Earth.

To be quite honest, I wouldn't be surprised if first contact occurred during my lifetime. In my opinion, I think that the reality of aliens from other planets existing and having visited our planet would be an earth-shattering experience for a lot of people. That's why I believe that top US officials have been progressively acclimating the American public to accepting some level of government disclosure on UFOs.

Why are you only talking about the US government though? This would be a world-wide topic by definition.

And I'm not convinced the way US authorities handle information about UFOs is significantly different to how they handle information about other matters of national security. Yet with all the people around the world apparently dedicated to uncover "the truth" about UFOs, and the demonstrated inability of governments to keep things secret that people want to know, I do see any justification to believe there is some kind of massive secret that has been kept completely under wraps.

The truth is out there, but that doesn't automatically mean the truth is especially interesting or surprising.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Given the apparent numbers of planets likely to be found around any and possibly every star and the timescale for existence, I can't believe we are likely to be the only intelligent species to be found. Plus the time it took for us to evolve could have happened simultaneously anywhere else or long before us. With only one example of life we necessarily will be making inaccurate guesses.

OK, but let me again quote Stephen Jay Gould:

... Not to mention random things that occur in evolution. We wouldn’t be here if the impact of a large extraterrestrial body hadn’t removed the dinosaurs. That wasn’t adaptation or natural selection. That was just a bad break. Mammals happened to survive because they were tiny little creatures that could hide — because they never had any evolutionary success competing with dinosaurs. And so it’s lucky that we’re even here.

It's not as if

(BACTERIA) + (BILLIONS of YEARS of "PROGRESS") = BEETHOVEN​

It is qualitatively more likely that bacteria "[p]lus the time it took for us to evolve" will result in very happy bacteria.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

OK, but let me again quote Stephen Jay Gould:

... Not to mention random things that occur in evolution. We wouldn’t be here if the impact of a large extraterrestrial body hadn’t removed the dinosaurs. That wasn’t adaptation or natural selection. That was just a bad break. Mammals happened to survive because they were tiny little creatures that could hide — because they never had any evolutionary success competing with dinosaurs. And so it’s lucky that we’re even here.

It's not as if

(BACTERIA) + (BILLIONS of YEARS of "PROGRESS") = BEETHOVEN​

It is qualitatively more likely that bacteria "[p]lus the time it took for us to evolve" will result in very happy bacteria.

Regardless if bacteria ever acquire a nature for creating and enjoying music, if bacteria become intelligent and curious then they typically would explore. And when they already know their own planet and ecosystem like the back of their tentacle, well then the next rational thing to explore other planets and extraterrestrial ecosystems.

I think a better equation would be INTELLIGENT LIFE + (THOUSANDS OF YEARS TO INVENT) = SPACE TRAVEL

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

if bacteria become intelligent and curious then they typically would explore

Whatever ...

 

[VoidCat]

What if aliens were real and the only ones coming to earth are the rich ones? Like a vacay for the alien elite