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Other Person's Response: I heard those trips are hyper lucid states.

My Reply: Yes. What really troubles me is experiencing something that's just as horrible, or even worse than, what I've experienced in my nightmares. It would be much worse in a hyper lucid state, since it makes the experience much more alive and real.

Other Person's Response: If you've had many miserable moments in your life, then that makes it more likely you'll have a hellish near death experience, where you re-experience one of those miserable moments. People, who've had much emotional trauma and misery, are much more likely to have such hellish near death experiences.

My Reply: I hope that doesn't happen to me then. I'm not worried about re-experiencing a miserable moment I've had in my waking life. I'm just worried about experiencing something that's worse than those crippled states I've had in my nightmares. It could be a crippled state that's far more profound and powerful than what I've experienced in my nightmares.

Other Person's Response: Even if you don't re-experience what you've been through during a horrible trip, it's still possible to have a whole new experience that's worse than those crippled states in your nightmares.

My Reply: Yes, and that's what worries me.

Other Person's Response: In regards to this worry of yours, it's possible you could have a trip that's just as powerful and profound of an experience as those crippled states in your nightmares. But, it could be a joyful, beautiful trip.

My Reply: That's possible.

Other Person's Response: If you were to go on a trip during a near death experience, then I hope it doesn't happen during an emotional crisis because it could be a horrible trip. If you're in a joyful, peaceful state of mind before you go on a trip, it's much more likely you'll have a beautiful, heavenly trip. But, being in a state of mental turmoil makes it much more likely you'll go on a hellish trip.

My Reply: I hope that doesn't happen to me then.

Other Person's Response: If it's possible that the horrible emotions, and not just the crippled states you've had during your nightmares, were experienced during a near death experience induced trip, would that also be a worry your mind would have a very difficult time letting go of?

My Reply: Yes. If it's possible these emotions would be worse than how I've experienced them during my nightmares, then that would be a very troubling worry.

Other Person's Response: Were there other negative emotions you felt during your nightmares, such as hate, disgust, or the feeling that you're a pitiful human being?

My Reply: Yes. As for these emotions, I'm not worried if I have them during a trip, no matter how powerful they are. I'm instead worried about having those crippled states, and those worse negative emotions I've had during my nightmares, such as those profoundly disturbing, tragic emotions. Those emotions were much worse for me, and that's why I'd be worried about having them during a trip.

Other Person's Response: So, you're not worried about experiencing the miserable, crippled states of your waking life during a horrible trip?

My Reply: That's right. Even if they were very intense experiences during the trip, the crippled states in my nightmares were far more profound experiences. So, it's experiencing something like the crippled states from my nightmares during a trip that worries me. Especially if it's a very intense experience during the trip, and many people, who go on trips, do report very intense experiences.

Other Person's Response: If you were to have a horrible trip during a near death experience, it's a hyper lucid experience, but is almost as horrible, or just as horrible, as those experiences you've had in your nightmares, then would that worry you?

My Reply: I think I'm worried about having an experience that's worse than what I've experienced in my nightmares. I can have a hyper lucid experience during a horrible trip. But, as long as the experience isn't worse than my nightmares, then I don't think I'd be worried. Actually, I'm not sure if I wouldn't be worried, and how bad the worry would be for me.

Other Person's Response: Let's pretend you've already had the worst experience possible, and you knew that. This means you wouldn't be having this worry because nothing can be worse than the worst experience possible.

My Reply: I think you're right.

Other Person's Response: Would you take a psychedelic drug if it was a last resort to change your life for the better?

My Reply: Yes. I hear people do have life changing experiences that change their lives for the better when they take these drugs. So, let's pretend, my life had no more beauty and worth. I'd take the psychedelic drug if it was the only way to change my life for the better.

Other Person's Response: I heard psychedelic drugs are illegal to take in the USA.

My Reply: Yes, and that's where I live.

Other Person's Response: I heard psychedelic drugs change you as a person. They make you a better person, and give you a better philosophy. I think that's because the drugs cause your soul to enter heavenly realms, where you acquire divine growth, and then return back to your physical body. I even hear people report that they're interested in intellectually involved subjects, such as physics and math, after taking psychedelics.

My Reply: Thanks for sharing.

Other Person's Response: You said you're a dumb person with no knowledge or life experience. It's such a shame you couldn't take those psychedelic drugs to make you a better, smarter person. There must be something wrong with you if you're this dumb and inexperienced, and these psychedelics would be a miracle cure for you.

My Reply: Yes.

Other Person's Response: I heard you say earlier that emotions become the experience of beauty, joy, or horror for us, once thoughts of beauty, joy, or horror trigger them. Since those crippled states you've had during your miserable struggles were triggered by negative thoughts and worries, that means those crippled states weren't just crippled states. They were literally horrible experiences for you. But, if you had clinical depression, and that put you into a very crippled state, then this crippled state wouldn't be a horrible experience for you, since it wasn't triggered by any negative thoughts or worries. Instead, it was just triggered by the depressive illness itself.

My Reply: Yes. Thoughts are very profound, powerful things, and they can make your life a living hell or a living paradise. But, they can only do it through emotions, which means they must make you feel emotions.

Other Person's Response: You say you've experienced the worst, miserable states of your life. By that, do you mean you've experienced the worst suffering possible?

My Reply: No. These were just the worst, miserable states of my personal life. I'm not saying I've had it the worst of all human beings.

Other Person's Response: As to why we're beings capable of experiencing misery and suffering, rather than pure joy, I think it's because we're sent here on Earth "as is." If we suffer, we suffer. If we have joy, we have joy. God really doesn't care about us. Neither do the spiritual beings in the other realms.

My Reply: That could be so. That could explain why innocent people suffer, and cruel people have much joy and riches. It could explain why life is so unfair and cruel for many people.

Other Person's Response: You think god and these spiritual beings are uncaring and unloving, since they allow much suffering. If you died a miserable death, and went to some horrible afterlife, do you think they'd just leave you there for all of eternity?

My Reply: Perhaps they would. Since they're allowing me to suffer here on Earth, then it's likely they'll allow me to suffer an eternity in some afterlife. They wouldn't care about me, and they'd just leave me there. I don't understand why these heavenly entities are so uncaring.

Other Person's Response: I don't care even if, let's pretend, you were the most cruel, **** person on this planet. Allowing someone to suffer an eternity in the afterlife is unacceptable. I wouldn't allow that upon my worst enemy.

My Reply: I agree.

Other Person's Response: I heard that people, who commit suicide when they're in a state of misery, end up in a miserable afterlife.

My Reply: That could be. But, what if someone commits suicide in a state of joy? Would that person end up in a heavenly, joyful afterlife? I don't plan on committing suicide. I'm just asking.

Other Person's Response: Since you call the experience of beauty and joy to be the holy, inner light, does that means positive emotions are the only holy, inner light a person can have?

My Reply: Yes.

Other Person's Response: Humanity brings suffering upon themselves, due to their own ignorance. But, you're right when you say it would be great if these beings could heal us of our suffering and help us.

My Reply: Then why did these beings allow humanity to be ignorant? Why didn't they bestow the knowledge we need upon us before we arrived on Earth? These beings have the power to bestow such knowledge upon us, after all. So, I don't understand why they're not doing it.

If I had such knowledge, then that would've prevented many of my miserable struggles. I think it was my own ignorance that caused much of my struggles. For example, not knowing if my worry about near death experiences would come true or not caused me much suffering.

This worry was a very negative thought that caused me much emotional turmoil. Some people would tell me that not knowing if my worry would come true or not shouldn't have caused me mental turmoil.

But, it still did. It's possible that my worry would come true, and that possibility has caused me much suffering. But, if my worry wouldn't come true, and I knew that, then I wouldn't have had this recent

 

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, emotional crisis to begin with. So, that's why these beings should've bestowed upon me the knowledge that my worry wouldn't come true (if it really wouldn't come true).

Other Person's Response: God and these spiritual beings are supposed to be all-knowing and all-loving. So, I don't understand why they're not helping those who are suffering.

My Reply: Exactly. That means god and these beings would know all the suffering I've been through, but did nothing about it.

Other Person's Response: In case your worry were to come true, these beings could prevent it from coming true. From there, they could bestow the knowledge upon you that your worry isn't going to come true anymore.

My Reply: Yes. That would've also prevented this recent, emotional crisis I've had.

Other Person's Response: I heard that people, who meet god during their trips, report that god is an all-loving being of light who doesn't judge you, regardless of what deeds you have done.

My Reply: So, that means he doesn't judge the acts of serial killers as horrible or disgusting, and neither does he judge the serial killers themselves as horrible or disgusting people?

Other Person's Response: How can he be an all-loving god if he's allowing people to suffer, and not judging the acts of serial killers, or other immoral acts, as horrible and disgusting?

My Reply: God can still judge it as a beautiful thing for that serial killer to make up for what he's done, and to not harm anyone again. My point is, you can still be an all-loving being or person, even if you have no disgusting or horrible judgments about someone or something. As for god allowing suffering, I don't know why he does this.

Other Person's Response: I don't think this being of light (god) judges at all. He doesn't judge anything or anyone as beautiful, good, bad, horrible, or disgusting.

My Reply: If he's a being of light, then that means he's beauty, love, and joy itself. That means he's only experiencing beauty, love, and joy. Thus, everything can only be beautiful, good, and amazing to him. So, I think he only judges things in a positive way, and he has no negative judgments. Negative judgments would make him a being of darkness, or an inner demon, since he'd be having a negative experience, such as the experience of disgust, tragedy, sadness, hate, etc.

Other Person's Response: Here's a link, which talks about how god is this being of light who doesn't judge:

My Reply: Thanks for sharing. But, I do think god judges things and people as beautiful and worthwhile.

Other Person's Response: If god's an all-loving being of light, then why did he bestow upon humanity the capability to hate? If god created humans as all-loving beings who could not hate, then humans would be reflections of god himself, who's all-loving. If humans could not hate, then that means there'd be much less suffering in the world.

My Reply: Exactly. Since god has no capability to hate, then humans shouldn't either. Also, I don't think god feels any negative emotions, since he's a being of light. He can only feel positive emotions. So, why couldn't humans only feel positive emotions, and not feel any negative emotions?

Other Person's Response: I'm not sure, but I think we're perfect, all-loving beings up in heaven, while here on Earth, we hate, destroy, and inflict suffering upon others. Not only that, but there's no pointless suffering or hardships up in heaven. It's a profoundly joyful place to be. Given this, there's really no point in going through all this trouble of trying to make this Earthly existence a better place by trying to change other hateful people, trying to awaken humanity to higher, loving consciousness, trying to eliminate suffering, etc. when heaven is already the best life to live.

It's a place where all human beings are all-loving, since we possess this higher, loving consciousness, once our souls leave our limiting bodies, and travel to these heavenly realms. Being on Earth only limits us, our understanding, our experience, and knowledge. That's why there's so much hate on Earth. But, when we live in these heavenly realms, we obtain higher, divine knowledge and experience, which allows us to realize the importance of love and other things. In these heavenly realms, we have a much higher level of consciousness, as opposed to the very small, limited level of consciousness we have on Earth, which only serves to render humanity in a state of ignorance, hate, suffering, etc.

My Reply: Exactly. Earth is a **** place to be, while heaven is the grand, beautiful place to be. Why have ****, when you can instead have gold? Why have a **** life and **** human beings, when you can instead have an amazing life and amazing human beings? Not only that, but being up in heaven apparently makes us highly intelligent. Again, why have dumb people on Earth, when you can instead have these dumb people become intelligent people by having their souls be up in heaven? It would be much better if all human beings on Earth were relocated to heaven, remained there for all of eternity, and never came to Earth again.

Other Person's Response: I heard spiritual believers say that we come to this Earthly life because there are certain things we can only obtain here on Earth that we can't obtain in heaven.

My Reply: I thought heaven was a place where we can get anything we wanted though.

Other Person's Response: As for being in heaven, I think it would be boring, getting everything I wanted, handed to me.

My Reply: But, you could choose to never be bored of that, and heaven would grant you that wish. So, you could choose to be in a state of intense, profound excitement for all of eternity, never to be bored of having everything handed to you. I think feeling bored is the only way to be bored anyway, and there are no negative emotions up in heaven, which means there can be no boredom in heaven.

Other Person's Response: Since we can get anything we want in heaven, then could we choose to have illnesses and suffering in heaven?

My Reply: Yes.

Other Person's Response: When we're up in heaven, we don't even have negative thoughts, do we? That means we can't have thoughts of things or situations becoming boring. Neither can we have thoughts of hate, despair, or disgust. There can only be positive thoughts and positive emotions up in heaven.

My Reply: That might be the case. That means we could only have the most profound thoughts and emotions of beauty, love, and joy for all of eternity. Even if we did have negative thoughts and negative emotions in heaven, we could choose to not have them. It would be a wish we could be granted. So, it wouldn't matter how much nice things we got handed to us in heaven; we could still choose to have the most profound, intense thoughts and emotions of beauty, love, and joy for eternity.

Other Person's Response: Let's pretend heaven was a place where there can be no negative thoughts and negative emotions. Could we still choose to have them anyway?

My Reply: Yes, since heaven grants our every wish.

Other Person's Response: How would all human beings be relocated to heaven?

My Reply: Maybe god, or some spiritual, heavenly being, could magically teleport them all to heaven. Their souls could be relocated into new, better, heavenly, physical bodies. Actually, the souls could choose if they want to roam free, or have physical bodies, the moment they're relocated to heaven.

Other Person's Response: I realize you're considering better, smarter solutions here. You think it would be better if all humans lived in heaven, and never had to come to Earth. But, don't you think god's plan is the better, smarter solution? After all, why would god be dumb and unloving? I think his plan is intelligent and all-loving. But, you just don't realize this.

My Reply: I just don't see how it's intelligent and all-loving. For example, what's the point of allowing human beings to become serial killers and psychopaths on Earth, when they can instead become all-loving, harmless beings up in heaven? Spiritual believers always talk about how love is so important and precious. Especially the New Age spiritual believers. Since heaven is where all human beings can have the most profound, intense love towards one another, then there's simply no point being here on Earth.

Other Person's Response: I realize there are mental illnesses that prevent people from loving and having a connection with others. For example, you having autism renders you not having much of a personal connection with others, which is why you wouldn't grieve if your pets, or if your mother, died. Since New Age spiritual believers always talk about how love and interconnectedness is so important, then it makes no sense why some people are here on Earth to suffer from mental illnesses, such as psychopathy, autism, and schizophrenia, which cause them to lose connection, and have less love towards other people and living things. There are also forms of brain damage that cause a person to lose connection with others, and love others less.

My Reply: Exactly. We wouldn't have these problems if we were up in heaven. Spiritual believers claim our brains are receivers here on Earth. So, when something goes wrong with the brain, that prevents the brain from receiving what's needed for the person to love and have a connection with others.

Other Person's Response: You say you can't achieve your composing dream of creating memorable music that moves the audience and expresses the scenes, moments, etc. you wish to express to the audience. Perhaps you just need to develop a connection with others. Maybe then you'll know what melodies to create that will achieve your goal.

My Reply: I'm not sure about this. I just might be no good at composing such melodies.

 

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Other Person's Response: Your autism and mental disability might be preventing you from obtaining greater values into your life than your emotional-based values. I agree it makes no sense why souls are here on Earth to suffer from such mental illnesses.

My Reply: I don't understand either. I might not be able to become a better, stronger person with a better philosophy, all thanks to my mental disability.

Other Person's Response: Spiritual believers say there's often times no hope for psychopaths, since they'll continue to hate others, and have murderous intents. It makes me wonder why god, and the spiritual beings, allow these psychopaths to remain in such a hopeless predicament with their mental illness.

My Reply: Yes.

Other Person's Response: If heaven is so wonderful, then why not just kill yourself to get there right now?

My Reply: First of all, I might end up in a hellish afterlife if I do that. I might remain there, which means god and these spiritual beings might not ever get me out. Again, since they allow me to suffer here on Earth, they might allow me to suffer an eternity in some hellish afterlife. Secondly, this might actually be the only life for me. In which case, I'd have to live the longest, happiest life I can here on Earth, since it's the only life I got.

Other Person's Response: I agree god's plans seem dumb and unloving. So, maybe, god doesn't exist then, and this really is the only life. After all, I'd expect this life to be a utopia world, where we all love one another, if god really did exist. Actually, why be on Earth in the first place? I'd expect all human beings to be in heaven right now if god, and these heavenly beings, existed.

My Reply: Exactly.

Other Person's Response: Do you still consider the possibility that god exists, and that he's intelligent and all-loving, despite the fact it doesn't seem that way?

My Reply: Yes.

Other Person's Response: I heard there are higher, heavenly realms that allow us to experience a more profound, more intense level of love, joy, and beauty than what the lower, heavenly realms would offer us.

My Reply: But, we don't need to go through anything to obtain these higher, heavenly realms. Since heaven grants our every wish, then we can just enter these higher realms if we wanted to. That means I don't need to suffer, or go through any form of hardship, to obtain these higher realms of love, beauty, and joy.

Other Person's Response: I heard souls come to this Earthly life to learn and grow. For example, some souls need to obtain more love towards other human beings, which is why they come to Earth to undergo hardships.

My Reply: Since we already have all the love and knowledge we need in the heavenly realms, then there's no point in coming to Earth to obtain something we already have, that we lose, once we arrive on Earth. When we come to Earth, we just lose our all-loving, all-knowing attributes as divine, spiritual beings. Like I said, Earth is a very limiting place. This Earthly existence only keeps us in a lower, inferior state of consciousness. That's what so many New Age spiritual believers say. They say, once our souls are set free of our physical bodies, and travel back to our true home (the heavenly realm), that's the moment we become divine, all-loving, all-knowing, spiritual beings, with hyper lucidity.

Other Person's Response: You're right. When we're in the heavenly realm, we possess Universal Knowledge and unconditional love, which we lose, once we arrive on Earth. We also lose memory of our ultimate existence and status as divine, spiritual beings in the heavenly realm.

My Reply: Then, like I said before, what's the point of being here on Earth?

Other Person's Response: I take it strength of character is something we also lose when we arrive on Earth.

My Reply: Yes. When we're in the heavenly realm, not only are we all-knowing and all-loving, but we are mighty, powerful, spiritual beings.

Other Person's Response: Since we have all the knowledge and love we need when we're in the heavenly realm, that means we've already learned all the life lessons we need to learn.

My Reply: Which is why it's pointless to learn them all over again when we arrive on Earth. What makes matters worse is having to relearn the same life lesson over and over again, when we keep on reincarnating into new, human bodies here on Earth. It's absurd and pointless.

Other Person's Response: Do god, and these spiritual beings, bestow upon us all the knowledge and love we need when our souls are in the heavenly realm? Or, do we already possess all this knowledge and love when we're in heaven?

My Reply: I'm not sure.

Other Person's Response: Let's pretend you were just an ordinary soul, in the heavenly realm, with not much knowledge, love, and experience, then you could just choose to be a perfect soul/being who's all-knowing and all-loving. After all, heaven grants our every wish. So, you could have this wish granted to you.

My Reply: Yes. That's why it's pointless for me to go through a learning and growing process here on Earth.

Other Person's Response: As long as god feels intense, profound love, then that makes him an all-loving being, according to your philosophy, regardless if his plan is dumb or not.

My Reply: Still, I'd expect god to be someone who heals suffering people, and implements wise plans for humanity. After all, he should feel the desire to help humanity, and make wise choices that would be far more beneficial for us as a human race. I don't see why he wouldn't act out on that desire. The same idea applies to the heavenly, spiritual beings. I see no reason why they wouldn't act out on that desire.

Other Person's Response: Let's pretend the Christian god was real, and he wanted you to live by the bible. How would you respond to that? Living the Christian life comes with a lot of hard work and responsibility. I don't think you'd like that.

My Reply: I'd tell god he needs to lower his standards, and appreciate me as a human being, rather than deeming me as a sinner who will go to hell, unless I live my life, obeying the Christian doctrine. I'd tell him I just want to live how I want to live, and that he should give me the eternal, blissful afterlife of my dreams after I die.

Other Person's Response: So, rather than living for others, and living in obedience, you want to live for yourself, to be disobedient, and, from there, you tell others they just need to lower their standards. You want to be catered to, and you don't want to meet the standards of others. That would even include the Christian god's standards.

My Reply: Yes. But, I do obey certain rules of society, such as not stealing, raping, or committing crimes. I'm not the type of person to do those things, anyway. Other than that, I should be free to live however I want to live. I shouldn't have to live my life, obeying the Christian doctrine, or helping others. I don't need to serve god or humanity. I have my rights as a human being, which means I have the right to live how I want to live.

Other Person's Response: Basically, you serve yourself, and you don't want to be a slave to god or humanity?

My Reply: Yes. I have my rights and freedom as an individual.

Other Person's Response: I take it you deem the higher standards of others as unfair?

My Reply: Yes. The Christian standard is especially unfair, since you are expected to obey so many things. Otherwise, if you live in disobedience, you go to an eternal hell.

Other Person's Response: It seems you don't want to have the responsibilities of an adult. You don't want to live by the Christian doctrine, and neither do you wish to be a father and take care of a child.

My Reply: Correct. But, when it comes to responsibilities that are necessary, I'd have to do those things. For example, I still need to brush my teeth, take a shower, etc. But, if someone asked me to help him do something I don't need to do, then that's unnecessary. Especially if it's something he can do himself. I could do it anyway just to shut him up because I don't want to be pestered or yelled at. But, I really don't need to meet a higher standard as an individual. People need to learn to accept and appreciate me just the way I am. I only need do those things which are absolutely necessary, and that should be good enough.

Other Person's Response: But, if you enjoyed helping that person who wanted you to help him, then it would be something good and worthwhile to you, yes?

My Reply: Yes. Still, it's my choice if I want to help that person or not.

Other Person's Response: When your mother dies, you're going to have to be responsible in taking care of the house. Did your mother discuss this with you yet?

My Reply: She did. Since that's absolutely necessary, then I have no issues with that.

Other Person's Response: What if you couldn't enjoy taking care of the house? That means it wouldn't be beautiful, good, or worth doing in your life.

My Reply: Even so, I'd still take care of the house anyway.

Other Person's Response: What if the Christian god was real, and you really were going to hell, unless you obey his word? What if he wouldn't listen to you when you tell him he needs to lower his standards?

My Reply: Then I'm afraid I'd have no choice but to serve him. It's either that, or an eternity in hell. That would be an eternal place of suffering, and I obviously wouldn't want that. Especially considering how I'm already complaining about the amount of suffering here on Earth. Fortunately, I don't believe in Christianity. I vehemently question such religious dogma, since it goes against my rights and standards as an individual. I wouldn't expect an all-loving god to condemn people to an eternal hell, or to put them up to such a high standard and, from there, deeming them as sinners if they don't meet said standard. I'd honestly expect an all-loving god to create a utopia life for us, where we can be happy all we want, and have our rights/freedom preserved.

Other Person's Response: I heard you're undecided on debatable topics anyway. That's another reason why you don't believe in Christianity.

My Reply: That's correct.

 

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Other Person's Response: Why can't you decide on debatable topics, whether it be Christianity, or anything else?

My Reply: It's because I don't have the intelligence, nor the intellectual capacity to arrive at the truth. It takes a very smart, intellectually capable person to arrive at the right, definite conclusion, despite all the material and debate out there regarding such topics. I just don't have that capability. Nor do I have interest in doing any research. I talk even more about this in my Undecided Packet.

Other Person's Response: You don't have to be that smart and intellectually capable to make a decision in regards to these topics.

My Reply: I think you do. Otherwise, you'd only be jumping to conclusions, and said conclusion may or may not be the right one. To know for sure if it's the right conclusion or not, that requires someone who's very smart and intellectually capable. So, a person could conclude that ghosts are real, based upon a few experiences he's had, and a little bit of research he's conducted. But, unless he knows for sure it's the right conclusion, then he's just blindly jumping to conclusions without realizing it. He's convinced ghosts are real. But, that doesn't mean they are real.

Other Person's Response: In regards to the truth, we can never know, with absolute, 100% certainty, whether a given claim is true or not. The closest we can ever get to the truth is 99.9%. That means we can only say if ghosts and the afterlife are very likely to exist or not. We can't say with 100% certainty if they exist or not.

My Reply: Then, like I said, I can't decide if they're likely to exist or not.

Other Person's Response: I'm a Christian, and I think you're going to hell if you don't live the Christian life. You don't need to be smart, or do any research to know that the Christian god is real. God has implanted his knowledge within us, which means we should naturally know he exists, and that he has created the world. Call it an inner voice, if you like. Nonbelievers would only be in denial of this inner voice to claim Christianity is bull ****, or that they don't know if Christianity is true or not.

My Reply: I know I don't have this inner voice, and I know I'm not in denial. I honestly don't know if god, the afterlife, and Jesus are real or not. But, I do have an inner voice of my own, and that would be to just live how I want to live, to not listen to such dogma, and that positive emotions are the way to a beautiful life. Just live a happy life, and don't adhere your life to religious dogma that makes you feel unhappy! You don't need to bear your cross, as the bible says, or anything of the sort!

Other Person's Response: Your own inner voice is the voice of sin, blocking you off from the Christian god's inner voice! You just want to live in disobedience, and that's preventing you from realizing the truth of god's existence!

My Reply: Well, I'd be put in a hopeless predicament where, not only can't I decide on god's existence, but am not willing to live my life by the Christian doctrine. So, really, it's god's fault for not telling me, with a powerful, compelling voice, that he exists. If the Christian god is all-powerful, then he should be able to convince me, right now, that he exists, regardless of how much sin I have within me. He should be able to bestow upon me the divine realization that he's real.

Other Person's Response: If we want that divine realization, then we must personally seek it out ourselves. You can't expect god to just hand it to you! When we live the Christian life, and do our best to refrain from sin, then we earn that divine realization. That's when we can hear god's inner voice.

My Reply: Why must I seek it out for myself? An atheist, who thinks Christianity is a lie, wouldn't even bother living the Christian life, or refraining from sin. So, why would the Christian god just leave him in such a hopeless predicament? The atheist isn't going to seek out that divine realization, since he thinks it's all bull ****. That's why, if god is so all-loving and all-just, he should just bestow this divine realization into the atheist's spirit right then and there.

The atheist would then realize god exists, and that he's going to hell, unless he obeys god's word. That would then save him from an eternity in hell if he obeys. It would simply be unjust for god to not bestow upon the atheist this divine realization right then and there in order to save him. So, god should do the same with me. He should realize I'm not going to bother with, what already seems like, dogmatic bull ****. Thus, he should bestow upon me the realization that he exists, that this dogma is real, and I'm going to hell, unless I obey it.

Other Person's Response: I know many nonbelievers, who have lived the Christian life, and refrained from sin the best they could. Yet, they still didn't receive that divine realization.

My Reply: In which case, it makes it all the more futile to even bother doing so. Who knows, people who did acquire this "divine realization" might've just been convinced Christianity is real, when it's not. They might've had fear and paranoia convincing them of something that's not true. They might've also had obedient tendencies convincing them as well.

Other Person's Response: I don't think god would be all-loving if he's not warning you or the atheist.

My Reply: I agree. If the Christian god really is all-loving, then his love should extend beyond the sacrifice of Jesus for our sins. He should also warn people like me and the atheist that we're going to hell, unless we obey his command. If he were to have Jesus sacrificed for our sins, and do other loving acts for humanity, but not warn us, then that's one act devoid of love on god's part. Hence, he wouldn't be an all-loving, all-just god.

How can it be a loving act if god is just sitting back, allowing me and the atheist to hopelessly be condemned to an eternal hell? If he's so loving, he should be frantic to do everything in his power to warn humanity, rather than just leaving behind a bible to warn us (which many people don't believe in). I know there are claims of evidence supporting Christianity, such as the Shroud of Turin. But, like I said, I'm undecided on debatable topics.

That means the bible, and all this claimed evidence, isn't enough to convince me the Christian god is real, and that I'm going to hell if I don't obey. That puts god in a position where he must convince me and other nonbelievers by force somehow. If he doesn't, then he's not an all-loving god. Even people who are lazy and unwilling to search for the truth, or live a Christian life, should be warned by god. I'd be one of those people. So, I should be hearing god's powerful, convincing voice within me right now if he's so loving and wishes to save me.

Other Person's Response: How can he convince you by force though?

My Reply: He could bestow upon me the divine knowledge that he's real. Thus, I'd know he's real right then and there, rather than having to search for the truth of his existence for myself. That also applies to the idea that I'm going to hell if I don't obey. God could bestow that knowledge upon me as well. God's all powerful, and I'm quite sure he could do that.

Other Person's Response: If the Christian god is real, then you're right when you say he wouldn't be an all-loving god if he's not frantic to do all he can to warn humanity of condemnation to hell. If there was a parent and a child, then the parent wouldn't be all-loving if he's not doing everything in his power to warn the child of immense suffering that would happen to her. Especially suffering that's eternal.

My Reply: I agree.

Other Person's Response: Well, I don't think god would be all-loving if he's condemning people to an eternal hell in the first place.

My Reply: I agree. Even if god did warn people by force, and these people still didn't obey his command, I still don't think god should condemn these people to an eternal hell. It would still be a cruel act.

Other Person's Response: Christians say that nonbelievers aren't genuinely convinced that god isn't real. Rather, they just deny his existence.

My Reply: Based upon my own personal experience, I don't think that's the case because I don't believe in god, but I'm not denying some inner voice, telling me god is real.

Other Person's Response: Christians say that the god, advocated by New Age Spirituality, isn't an all-loving god. I think he is because he wants us to grow in love and compassion towards other human beings by helping others, contributing to the world, etc. By growing in love and compassion, that's how we become closer to god. Even though the Christian god also wants us to do the same thing, at least the New Age god doesn't condemn people to an eternal hell. So, I think the Christians have it all backwards. The Christian god wouldn't be an all-loving god at all, since no loving, just god would do such a horrible deed.

My Reply: I agree the Christian god wouldn't be all-loving and all-just.

Other Person's Response: When it comes to the Christian doctrine of sin, unrepentant sinners don't automatically go to hell. Rather, it's god himself who condemns them to hell on Judgment Day. So, god is the unloving enemy. That means we're not trying to be saved from hell itself because hell is just a place of fire. Rather, we'd be trying to save ourselves from being condemned to hell. If the Christian god never existed, then there'd be no people burning alive in hell.

My Reply: I agree.

Other Person's Response: You say the Christian god's standard is set unreasonably high. If he lowered his standard, then he'd no longer be a holy god. So, his standard is a holy standard.

My Reply: I don't agree. I think his standard being so high makes him an unholy god.

Other Person's Response: According to fundamentalist Christianity, when we sin and don't repent, we go to hell. But, if wild animals sin and don't repent, they don't go to hell. As a matter of fact, I don't think their animalistic actions would even be considered sinful by god. So, if their actions aren't deemed sinful by god, then why is it all of a sudden a sin when human beings perform these actions?

Why are wild animals free to go about their own business, while human beings must live their lives in obedience, lest they suffer an eternity in hell? It makes no sense. It's like saying the cruel, unloving acts of a pet aren't cruel or unloving and, thus, the pet doesn't deserve punishment. But, if people did these same deeds, then it's all of a sudden cruel, unloving, and these people deserve punishment. My point is, if human beings are subjected to the doctrine of sin and hell, then wild animals should be as well.

 

[The Transcended Omniverse]

My Reply: Well, wild animals can't read. That means they don't know about the gospel. I heard from fundamentalist Christians that, if you read the gospel, and don't repent from your sins, and give yourself to Jesus, then you go to hell. But, let's pretend, wild animals could read and understand anyone who talks about the gospel, they read or heard the gospel, but still lived their usual lives of disobedience to god. Would they go to hell now? If not, then why must I go to hell if I live in disobedience? Why can't god just lower his standards, and treat me as a wild animal?

Why can't he just let me be free to live the hedonistic life I want to live without condemning me, and deeming me as a sinner? He should understand that I'm someone who doesn't want to have major responsibilities, such as being a father, or living the Christian life. So, he should just change his perspective of me as an individual. Rather than seeing me as a disgusting, unrepentant sinner who deserves to suffer an eternity in hell, he should just see me as a wild, happy animal.

Maybe he should just see me as a happy bunny. Besides, I don't harm or torture anybody. So, I really don't deserve to be punished. Especially with an eternal hell. That really makes me like a wild, happy, harmless bunny. I think god should treat me as such. He should just hand me an eternal, blissful life after I die without expecting me to obey his dogma. After all, that's what he'd do for a happy, little bunny, wouldn't he? He wouldn't expect anything from the bunny, and he'd just let it roam free in his heavenly paradise.

Other Person's Response: If you had to do some work in order to obtain the eternal, blissful afterlife of your dreams, are you sure you wouldn't do that work?

My Reply: I'd do that work, since such a life would be the best life of my dreams. I'd even adhere my life to a doctrine if I had to. But, I think god should just hand me that heavenly afterlife, since it would be a loving gift he should naturally hand over to people who are kind, harmless, and polite, such as myself. I've also been through much suffering in my life, and god didn't do anything about it. So, that's another reason why he should definitely hand me that afterlife after my physical body dies. He should hand it over to me as an apology for allowing me to go through all that pointless suffering.

Other Person's Response: You say you're like a happy, harmless bunny. But, you wouldn't be happy during your miserable struggles.

My Reply: Correct. So, I'd be like a miserable bunny, trapped in a cage. But, once I'm fully recovered, I'm like a happy bunny who's been set free.

Other Person's Response: I hear Christians say that, if god let humanity be free to do what they want, didn't punish them, and just handed them his heavenly kingdom, then that wouldn't be love and justice on god's part. So, if the Christian god's standards are supposed to be right and holy for humanity, then why would it be right and holy for god to allow wild animals to be free to do what they want, not punish them, and just hand them his heavenly kingdom?

My Reply: Exactly. I don't know why the Christian god's standards wouldn't apply to wild animals or insects.

Other Person's Response: In regards to Christianity, I'm a fundamentalist Christian, and I think hell is just for those who deserve it.

My Reply: Well, if I am a sinner who deserves to go to hell, then I don't realize it. It's unjust to condemn someone to everlasting torment in hell. Especially someone who's unaware that they're a sinner. If the Christian god is real, then I don't realize it. So, why shouldn't he give me a 2nd chance when I meet him on Judgment Day?

Other Person's Response: If you're supposed to obey the Christian god's standards, then you're unaware of it. It would be like a child who didn't know he was supposed to obey. So, I don't think you'd deserve punishment.

My Reply: Exactly.

Other Person's Response: I heard the Christian god does condemn people to hell who've never known about the gospel.

My Reply: That's not fair and loving at all! The very least he could've done was informed them, rather than allowing them to remain ignorant, hopeless, sinners.

Other Person's Response: If wild animals are supposed to obey the Christian god's standards, then they'd be unaware of this, since they're just animals. So, I don't think they'd deserve punishment either.

My Reply: I agree.

Other Person's Response: You know the gospel though, which means you already know you're supposed to obey god's word.

My Reply: Again, I don't know if Christianity is even real or not. So, how can I be put to blame for not obeying a god I didn't know existed?

Other Person's Response: I think you know, deep down, that the Christian god is real, and you just don't want to obey him. There's that little voice deep within you, telling you he's real, and you just deny that voice!

My Reply: False. I honestly don't know if god and the afterlife exist or not. I actually have some doubt that the Christian god is real because how would it be fair to condemn someone to hell, whose doubt prevents him from even bothering with fundamentalist Christianity, and its bull **** dogma in the first place? I mean, if the Christian god was real, and he was truly all-fair and all-loving, then anyone with doubts in fundamentalist Christianity should be kindly treated and informed by god, on Judgment Day, that his doubts were wrong, that the Christian god is real, and that he must obey, or he goes to hell.

He should be given a 2nd chance on Judgment Day. How would it be fair to just condemn him to hell for disobedience, when he had no choice but to disobey, due to his doubt? I realize Christianity speaks of free will, and how we have choices. But, if someone has doubt, or complete disbelief in a doctrine, then it's obvious he's not going to choose to obey that doctrine. He can't be punished and put to blame for that. The more you're convinced of Christianity, the more likely you're going to obey its doctrine. The less convinced you are, the less likely you're going to obey. So, someone like me, who has doubt in Christianity, is very unlikely to even obey its doctrine.

Other Person's Response: Well, what about people who didn't believe in Christianity, but still lived the Christian life, and obeyed the Christian doctrine in hopes that they regained belief in Jesus? That disproves your notion that, the less you're convinced of Christianity, the less likely you're going to obey its doctrine.

My Reply: Then there must've been some level of belief in Christianity, making them obey the Christian doctrine. I mean, if these people disbelieved in Christianity completely, then they'd treat it as being no different than the claim that Santa is real, or any wild, made-up claim being real (such as a teapot orbiting Jupiter). In other words, they'd dismiss Christianity, and not bother obeying its doctrine, just as how they would with any wild claim. It's absurd to think that an atheist (someone who has no belief in Christianity whatsoever) would bother obeying the Christian doctrine, just as how it's absurd to think that scientists would spend their time and effort, searching for a teapot orbiting Jupiter.

Other Person's Response: So, if the Christian god was real, and he condemned disobeying atheists to hell, then that would be just as absurd as there being a god who condemns scientists to hell, since they didn't bother searching for a teapot orbiting Jupiter? Thus, the fundamentalist Christian god can't be real, since he'd be an absurd god, rather than an all-fair, all-loving god.

My Reply: Yes. If you're not convinced of something at all, and you treat it as being like any wild claim, then you shouldn't be punished or put to blame for not wasting your time and effort with that said thing. Still, maybe this absurd, Christian god is real, and he's condemning people to hell, regardless of how unfair, unjust, and unloving it is. But, we'd no longer be talking about the Christian god anymore, since the Christian god is claimed to be all-just and all-loving. I don't know what to say about this one. I'm a bit confused here.

Other Person's Response: Even if the Christian god was real, and you obeyed him, you might still be condemned to hell on Judgment Day, given how absurd and cruel this god is.

My Reply: You could be right. I might be condemned to hell over some trivial sin.

Other Person's Response: I heard god gives those, who've never heard the gospel, another chance on Judgment Day. God should also give those, who have heard the gospel, but aren't convinced, another chance. It would be unfair and unloving to condemn someone like you to hell. I realize you've heard the gospel. But, you're a completely ignorant person, and you're not very intelligent. You still don't know if the Christian god and hell are real or not. To condemn you to hell would be like condemning an ignorant child to hell.

My Reply: I agree.

Other Person's Response: I heard fundamentalist Christians say that people, who have near death experiences, meet a false god in the heavenly realms, who convinces them there is no hell or judgment. If that's the case, then how would it be fair and loving for the real god to condemn these deceived people to hell on Judgment Day? They really didn't know any better.

My Reply: Exactly.

Other Person's Response: If you were to have a hellish, Christian-themed, near death experience, would that convince you that the Christian god, and his doctrine of hell, are real? Some people, who have such near death experiences, are convinced.

My Reply: I still wouldn't be convinced because, like I said, I'm undecided when it comes to debatable topics. Whether such near death experiences pinpoint to Christianity being true or not is debatable. As a matter of fact, different people have different trips during their near death experiences. Buddhists might have a heavenly, Buddhist trip, where they see the Buddha, and Chinese people might have a trip where they encounter something that pertains to their religious beliefs.

Other Person's Response: If the Christian god is real, then I think he should give you a 2nd chance on Judgment Day. He should have you reincarnated, rather than just condemning you to eternal hell. Being reincarnated would allow you to repent, and obey god's word.

My Reply: I agree.

 

[The Transcended Omniverse]

Other Person's Response: If the Christian god is real, then you can't just obey him to save yourself from hell. You must obey him out of love. Otherwise, you will be condemned to hell.

My Reply: Yes, and I wouldn't want to go to hell.

Other Person's Response: You say you're open-minded towards the possibility that Christianity is real. That's like being open-minded towards the possibility that there's a teapot orbiting Jupiter. So, you can dismiss Christianity, just as how you can dismiss the claim that there's a teapot orbiting Jupiter.

My Reply: The fact is, I still consider the possibility that fundamentalist Christianity, and its doctrine of hell, could be real, despite my doubts. The reason why is because there is claimed, powerful, compelling evidence of Christianity, such as the Shroud of Turin, and other lines of claimed evidence. But, I don't know if it counts as actual evidence. Skeptics say it's no evidence at all, while other researchers and scientists say it's compelling evidence. Still, like I said, I have doubt in Christianity, and said doubt renders me not obeying the Christian doctrine to save myself from a hell, for disobeying sinners, that I doubt exists.

Other Person's Response: All religious gods could be real. If you're lucky, you might meet the Buddhist god, or some other type of kind, loving god. If you're unlucky, you might meet the Christian god after your physical body dies. I hear that people, who take drugs, and go on journeys, meet all sorts of gods. So, maybe, all religious gods are real.

My Reply: I hope I don't meet the Christian god then (if he is real).

Other Person's Response: If a person commits a crime, should we not send him to prison simply because he's unaware that it was a crime? No. He still goes to prison anyway. So, you should be going to hell anyway, even though you're unaware that you're a sinner. You're unaware that your disobedience of god's standards is a sin that will condemn you to hell. But, that's too bad. God doesn't care, and you're going to hell anyway.

My Reply: If a person was a serial killer, he should be put in prison, since he's a threat to society. But, if someone did something illegal that he didn't know was illegal, he shouldn't be punished for it. But, if he knew it was illegal, and still did it anyway, then he should be punished. It would be like a child who did something wrong, but didn't know it was wrong. The mother shouldn't punish or spank the child, since he didn't know better. But, the mother should if the child knew it was wrong.

So, it would be unjust and unloving for the Christian god to condemn me to eternity in hell, since I didn't know I was a sinner. Also, take note that we're talking about punishment here; not an eternal form of suffering. Punishment is simply meant to help a person learn to not do a certain misdeed again. That means it should last a little while, and not an eternity. To have someone suffer an eternity in hell isn't something I'd consider to be punishment. I'd consider it to be nothing but a cruel, brutal act.

If fundamentalist Christianity is real, and there is a hell, then there'd be people burning in hell right now, begging god that they've learned their lesson, and to be released. If burning in hell was a form of punishment, and not a heartless act, then god would release them. He'd say to them: "Well, you've learned your lesson. So, I'll set you free from hell." Not that I agree hell is a just form of punishment anyway, since it's roasting someone alive in a pit of lava. God could give them a lesser form of punishment, if they are deserving of punishment.

Other Person's Response: You say that, when a person deserves punishment, the punishment should only last a little while. For crimes, the punishment should last longer.

My Reply: I say punish the person until he's truly learned his lesson. If you punish a person too little, then that's not enough punishment, since he hasn't learned his lesson yet. If you punish a person when he's learned his lesson, then that's unjust. To punish someone who's truly changed his ways wouldn't be right. The moment the person changes is when the punishment should cease.

Remember, punishment is simply meant to make a person change his/her ways. So, if a person changes, and would never do that misdeed again, but punishment is still inflicted upon him, then that person is being given unnecessary punishment. So, I'd find it an unnecessary and cruel act to have people remain in prison, even though they've truly changed their ways.

Other Person's Response: If a person says he's changed his ways, but continues to do that misdeed anyway, then he still deserves punishment until he changes.

My Reply: I agree.

Other Person's Response: If a mother spanked a child, then that would be a form of punishment to help the child learn his lesson. But, if the mother continually spanked the child (even when the child has learned his lesson), then that's just plain abuse. It would be a cruel act.

My Reply: Exactly. If the Christian god wishes to punish sinners, then he shouldn't punish someone with eternal torment. He should give them a form of punishment that isn't as cruel, and doesn't last forever. He should give them a form of punishment that they truly deserve. Otherwise, he'd be the most abusive, cruel god to have someone suffer forever in hell.

Other Person's Response: I think things, such as knowingly committing crimes, deserve punishment. I don't agree that disobeying the Christian doctrine is deserving of punishment. If you're a kind gentlemen who's just going about his own business, then you shouldn't be punished for things, such as working on the Sabbath, using the Lord's name in vain, or any of this other bull ****.

My Reply: I agree.

Other Person's Response: Hell is a separation from god. When we sin and disobey, we go to hell as a natural result of being separated from god.

My Reply: Hell isn't the only way to be separated from god. For example, disobedient sinners, here on Earth, are already separate from god. You could also be living the beautiful, joyful life of your dreams, and be separate from the Christian god. So, if I'm going to some sort of afterlife as a natural result of being separated from god, then I'd want it to be a beautiful, joyful paradise. I think those other beings that are met during drug trips (such as the Machine Elves and Jesters) have their own paradise for us. I'd want to go there. I realize these beings aren't creating a happy paradise here on Earth for human beings. But, at least they have a paradise in their kingdom.

Other Person's Response: So, if the Christian god was real, you wouldn't want to have anything to do with him? You'd instead want to be with those other beings?

My Reply: Yes. The Christian god demands obedience, and condemns people to hell. But, these beings don't.

Other Person's Response: Going back to your philosophy of hedonism, when you have much negative thoughts, that will certainly block off the experience of beauty, love, and joy. It will block off all those positive experiences you need in your life.

My Reply: I agree.

Other Person's Response: What about physical pain and physical pleasure? Can't they be horrible and beautiful experiences?

My Reply: No. During my miserable moments, I could smell the most intense, pleasant scent, and I could feel the most comfortable, relaxing sensation. But, that would bring my life no beauty or joy. I'd still be in a horrible state of mind.

Other Person's Response: Actually, physical pain and physical pleasure become good, bad, horrible, beautiful, or disgusting the moment you feel a certain emotion about them.

My Reply: Correct.

Other Person's Response: It seems you're all alone in life, and all you have is your positive emotions.

My Reply: Actually, when I have my positive emotions, I can have fun, enjoy, and have a beautiful interaction or relationship with others. So, I'm not all alone. But, when I don't have my positive emotions, any interaction I have with my family can't be anything beautiful. It would amount to nothing. I can't love my family either without my positive emotions.

Other Person's Response: Let's pretend you lived all alone for, say, millions of years, are you sure you wouldn't become sad, miserable, or depressed?

My Reply: I don't think I would because I have no attachment to any human being or pet. Thus, I'd be just fine, all alone in my own personal, happy, paradise. It would be like if a wild, exotic plant was all alone in some distant, tropical paradise. If I were to look at that, it wouldn't convey anything sad or miserable to me. It would convey something that's happy, exotic, and remote.

You could also think of it as being a situation where a person is all alone in his riches, and warming up in a spa. Sure, it's a lonely existence. But, it wouldn't be a sad, miserable existence. He has his life all to himself, and doesn't have to worry about any trouble other people or pets would give him. He wouldn't have to worry about any major responsibilities either, such as being a father and taking care of children.

Other Person's Response: I think it's people, who have an attachment to human beings and pets, who end up feeling sad and miserable if they lived a lonely existence for an extended period of time.

My Reply: Exactly. Since I have no such attachments, then that's why I'd be just fine, living alone for an extended period of time.

Other Person's Response: You'd be living all alone with only one thing to make your life beautiful (your positive emotions). I'd find that to be a depressing existence.

My Reply: To me, it wouldn't be sad or depressing, since I wouldn't feel that way about it.

Other Person's Response: Basically, you'd prefer to live for yourself, and your own riches and happiness, rather than living to take care of pets, living for humanity, and contributing to the world?

My Reply: Yes.

 

[The Transcended Omniverse]

Other Person's Response: Would you want to live in a rich mansion all by yourself?

My Reply: Yes, and it would be lovely if it was a mansion that was located in a tropical paradise. I wouldn't want any pets, since I'd have to take care of them, and they'd mess up the place. But, I could have my family around, since they give me no problems.

Other Person's Response: Not only that, but having pets (such as dogs) could give you tics.

My Reply: Yes, and I wouldn't want that. That's why I prefer to have no pets. I also don't want the responsibility of having to take care of a pet. The less responsibilities I have, and the more free, luxury time I have to myself, the better.

Other Person's Response: If you were rich, you could just choose to live in a mansion that's closest to where you live.

My Reply: Yes.

Other Person's Response: You say how a person thinks is how the person feels. That's not the case for everyone.

My Reply: If Jake thought that Jon was beautiful, but felt that Jon was disgusting, then there was actually a subconscious thought Jake was having, and it was a thought of disgust towards Jon. Jake might not realize that thought was there. But, it was there. So, how a person thinks is how a person feels.

Other Person's Response: So, if a person feels erotic all the time, that means he has a lot of erotic thoughts?

My Reply: Yes.

Other Person's Response: If a child feels a lot of emotions, such as the desire to throw a tantrum, then, once that child grows up to become an adult, you're saying he might no longer feel those emotions anymore, since he has more mature thought processes?

My Reply: Yes. When he was a child, he had childish thoughts, which caused him to feel those childish emotions. But, as an adult, he might no longer have those thoughts and emotions anymore. So, if he doesn't get what he wants as an adult, he might instead feel acceptance, rather than feeling the desire to throw a tantrum.

Other Person's Response: If how you think is how you will feel, then you must've not truly thought that cup on your table was something valuable and worthwhile if you didn't feel that way about it.

My Reply: Correct. I'd just have those words going through my mind that the cup is valuable and worthwhile. But, since it wasn't a true thought, that's why it didn't make me feel that way. Even if I did truly think that way, as long as that thought couldn't make me feel that way, due to a mental illness or other factor, then the cup would have no value and worth from my perspective.

Other Person's Response: What do you mean by "Not a true thought?"

My Reply: If you thought someone was ugly, and you just said to that person (or even in your own mind): "Yeah, whatever. You're beautiful," then you didn't really mean that. That quoted statement would, thus, be nothing more than words being uttered by your mouth, or in your mind. So, when you have a thought that something's beautiful or horrific, and you really mean it, that's when the thought makes you feel beauty or horror. If you don't mean it, then the thought wouldn't make you feel beauty or horror.

Other Person's Response: I know some people out there don't feel fear about dying, or being in dangerous situations. I'm quite sure it's because they have no fearful thoughts about these things.

My Reply: I agree.

Other Person's Response: If a person doesn't feel fear when he's dying, or in a dangerous situation, then it could be a mental illness, preventing him from feeling fear. So, having fearless thoughts isn't the only way a person can be rendered without the capability to feel fear.

My Reply: I agree.

Other Person's Response: I hear people say they don't fear death, since they know there's a beautiful afterlife. So, that shows these people have a different way of thinking about death that prevents them from feeling fear about dying.

My Reply: Yes.

Other Person's Response: People, who don't feel fear in regards to death, say death doesn't matter to them. The same idea applies to phobias. When a person no longer has a phobia, the thing or situation that once bothered him no longer bothers him.

My Reply: Yes. This shows that emotions make things matter to us. Without emotions, then nothing could matter to us or bother us.

Other Person's Response: If you had a phobia, and that phobia could never be eased one bit, do you think you could still bear through it?

My Reply: I'd still find myself very uneasy, and cowering away from the phobia. But, if the feeling of fear were to disappear, then I'd no longer have that phobia. Thus, I'd no longer cower, and I'd be at ease. That means I could encounter the situation with no fear anymore.

Other Person's Response: So, there are 2 things that can prevent thoughts from making us feel emotions:

1.) When it's not a true thought.

2.) If we have a mental illness, or other factors, preventing us from feeling certain emotions.

My Reply: Correct.

Other Person's Response: Sometimes, we can't help what we think and feel. Our brains are conditioned to think, believe, and feel certain ways.

My Reply: I agree.

Other Person's Response: I realize there was a worry that caused you to feel miserable. It was your most recent one, and you said you truly thought to yourself that you have no reason to worry, that worrying is pointless, etc. Those must've not been true thoughts then if you still felt miserable.

My Reply: I tried my best to rid of that worry and, thus, my misery. But, nothing worked. Sometimes, things you think just don't help any. For example, a person might not tolerate someone, and nothing he thinks helps. He just absolutely cannot stand that person. With all my miserable struggles, nothing I thought helped them, and I had to wait in order for them to pass on their own.

Other Person's Response: Regarding your nightmares, were the horrific and disturbing emotions you felt during these nightmares entirely new feelings than what you would feel during your waking life?

My Reply: Yes. They were much deeper feelings. The feelings of beauty, love, and joy I've had in dreams were also much deeper experiences than what I would experience during my waking life. I'm quite sure they'd be very profound, powerful experiences during a drug trip. But, like I said, I'm not going to take drugs.

Other Person's Response: Were the horrific emotions you felt during your nightmares much deeper experiences than the horror you'd experience while watching a horror movie?

My Reply: Yes. The horror experienced during horror movies is simply a normal, healthy, cinematic experience. But, the horror I've experienced in my nightmares was not normal. It was very serious, and I required psychological help.

Other Person's Response: Someone, who's in need of serious, psychological help, such as someone who's suicidal, and lost a loved one, would certainly experience a more profound feeling of horror in his nightmares than the feeling of horror a normal, happy person would feel when he watches a horror movie, or just has an average nightmare.

My Reply: Yes. That's why the negative emotions I felt during my miserable struggles were much more profoundly horrible experiences than the negative emotions I'd normally feel when I'm happy and enjoying my life.

Other Person's Response: If you were happy and enjoying your life, then you could look at your nightmares on screen (if there was a way to record dreams and nightmares). But, those nightmares, which were once profoundly horrible experiences for you, would no longer be a horrible experience for you when you look at them on the screen.

My Reply: I might feel some negative emotion when watching them. I'm not sure. But, if I did feel a negative emotion, it would just be a normal, healthy experience, and not a profoundly disturbing or horrific emotion.

Other Person's Response: Now that you're almost fully recovered from this recent emotional crisis you've had (which you talk about), are you still having nightmares?

My Reply: Yes. But, the horrible emotions I feel in these nightmares are nowhere near as profound as what they were when I wasn't doing well. When I was very miserable, I had the worst nightmares of my life.

Other Person's Response: When you have dreams and nightmares, do you remember them?

My Reply: Sometimes I do, and sometimes I don't.

Other Person's Response: If those disturbing and horrific emotions from your nightmares, which you say could be more profound than the ones I've had, were carried on over to your waking life, would that be just as horrible of an experience? Sometimes, the emotions we feel during our dreams and nightmares do carry on over to our waking life. They linger a bit in our waking state, and then fade away.

My Reply: I did have this happen to me a few times. It was actually much worse experiencing them in my nightmares than in my waking state. Perhaps this is because you go deeper into the experience during a dream state. Also, there were horrible states I've experienced in these nightmares (the crippled ones I talk about in my Recent Crisis packet).

Such states cannot be experienced in a normal, waking state, since these were completely altered states. They were whole new experiences that one cannot experience normally in his waking life. If someone took a powerful drug, and had some sort of powerful experience, that experience (altered state) cannot be obtained not using a drug, or not having a dream (i.e. during one's normal state).

 

[The Transcended Omniverse]

Other Person's Response: If you don't have power and control over your physical pain, it can become an overwhelming experience. But, physical pain could be inflicted upon a tough guy, or a Buddhist, and it wouldn't phase him much. That's because they have much power and control. I think the reason why those emotions were much worse experiences for you in your nightmares than your waking life is because, in dreams and nightmares, we don't have much power and control. Thus, any horrific, beautiful, or disturbing emotion becomes a completely overwhelming experience.

My Reply: That could be the case. I know that feelings of love and joy, during my dreams, became overwhelmingly loving, joyful experiences.

Other Person's Response: During nightmares and dreams, our minds are completely lost someplace else. When your mind is completely lost in some horrible or beautiful place, that will make the experience more powerful and profound for you. So, maybe, that's why dreams and nightmares tend to be more powerful, profound experiences for you than what you experience during your normal, waking life.

My Reply: That could be.

Other Person's Response: Have you ever had lucid dreams and nightmares? If so, were the emotions you felt during these dreams and nightmares more profound and powerful experiences than what you'd experience during your normal, waking life?

My Reply: Yes.

Other Person's Response: In regards to this worry you're having, if you have a very horrible experience during a near death experience induced trip, do you really think it's possible for you to have an experience that's even worse than those crippled states you've had in your nightmares? I heard you say earlier that any horrible experience you have during your waking life isn't as bad as your nightmares, since your waking experience isn't as overbearing as your nightmare experience. So, in order to have a trip that's a worse experience than your nightmares, then it would have to be an even more overbearing experience than your nightmares.

My Reply: But, since I don't have such overbearing experiences during my waking life, I'm not sure if I can them during a hyper lucid state, which would be the state of consciousness people have during their trips. Still, it's possible, which is what worries me greatly.

Other Person's Response: You said that, sometimes, the horrible emotions you felt during your nightmares got carried on over to your waking life, but that they weren't as bad as what they were in your nightmares. I bet, if those emotions were intense enough during your waking life, they could turn out to be an even worse experience than your nightmares.

My Reply: That's possible. I'm not sure though. Maybe, it's just having these emotions during my nightmares that somehow makes them worse experiences for me.

Other Person's Response: People, who go on trips through near death experiences, report that what they've experienced was much more profound and intense than anything they could experience in their dreams and nightmares. So, it's quite possible that, if you were to have a horrible trip, that you'd experience something worse than those crippled states you've had in your nightmares.

My Reply: I hope that doesn't happen.

Other Person's Response: If you ever have a beautiful, heavenly trip during a near death experience, pay attention to how powerful that experience is for you. If it's a much more beautiful experience for you than any experience you've had in your dreams, then, chances are, any horrible experience you have during a trip would be much more horrible than any experience you've had in your nightmares.

My Reply: I'll pay attention then.

Other Person's Response: I thought you said negative emotions were the only horrible experiences one could have. Yet, here you are, saying you've experienced some sort of horrible altered state in your nightmares.

My Reply: That crippled state would still classify as an emotional state, even though it didn't seem like it. It seemed like a powerful, altered state, rather than simply a miserable feeling. I could also say the same thing about the crippled states of my waking life. These states have completely changed my entire life because they were very unhealthy states, where I had a whole new perspective on life. It was a very horrible, morbid perspective. But, these crippled states are still emotional states because a miserable, morbid state is still an emotional state.

Other Person's Response: It was those worries and thoughts you've had that put you into those altered states. That's why you had such a horrible, negative perspective on life.

My Reply: Correct.

Other Person's Response: You said your subconscious mind was stuck on this worry 24/7 for over 3 years. That can happen sometimes. Our minds can get firmly stuck on a worry. Over time, the mind naturally lets go of it, which is why you're feeling better today. For worries that are not that troublesome, the mind will hold onto them for a little while. But, for the most troublesome worries (like your recent one), the mind will hold onto these for the longest period of time.

My Reply: I agree.

Other Person's Response: How often do you have nightmares from this worry now?

My Reply: Not that often. When I wasn't doing well in the past, I was having a lot of nightmares. But, now, when a nightmare comes up, it's just imagery and sounds. There's not really any negative emotion there. Actually, sometimes there is. But, it's nowhere near as bad as the negative emotions I used to have in my nightmares.

Other Person's Response: If your brain was stuck like that for so long, then it must be because your brain is malfunctioning. It must be a mental illness. For example, the brains of clinically depressed people aren't working properly, and that would be a brain malfunction. When it comes to any mental illness in general, the brain is malfunctioning.

My Reply: In my case, it might not be a mental illness (brain malfunction) at all, and it's simply me being so worried on a subconscious level. As pointed out earlier, our minds can get firmly stuck on a worry for a very long time.

Other Person's Response: I think any normal person, as worried as you, wouldn't take over 2 years to fully recover. So, I think the very fact it took so long for you to recover means your brain wasn't working properly, and took a very long time to restore itself back to normal. Therefore, it must've been a brain malfunction, and not just an emotional crisis you've had.

My Reply: Maybe you're right.

Other Person's Response: Since your brain was chronically stuck in this miserable, worried state for so long, then perhaps it's because this was both a devastating worry your mind had a very difficult time resolving, and it was a brain malfunction, since certain areas of your brain were stuck in a chronically active state, while other areas were shut off, and not working.

My Reply: Yes. My positive emotions were shut off during that whole time, and so many negative emotions were active. This went on all day everyday for over 3 years, as I said before. I don't think that's normal. So, it might've also been a brain malfunction (a mental illness), in addition to being a worry my brain had a very difficult time resolving on its own.

Other Person's Response: Your mind couldn't let go of that worry for even 10 seconds, so you could be happy in those 10 seconds?

My Reply: That's correct. My subconscious mind had a firm grip on this worry, and wouldn't let go of it.

Other Person's Response: If a normal, healthy brain, that's not prone to any mental illness, had your recent emotional crisis, then how long would it take for that person's brain to fully recover from it? I know it's taken you about 3 years to almost fully recover from it. But, if that person could fully recover from it in just a few months, then this says your recent emotional crisis was not only a devastating crisis, but a mental illness. Your brain wasn't recovering at the normal rate it should've recovered, and that would be a mental illness. Not only that, but your brain was constantly stuck, 24/7, in a horrible, unhealthy, miserable state, since your brain was constantly stuck on this worry. I don't think a normal, healthy brain would be stuck like this.

My Reply: I'm not sure if there's a way to scientifically answer this question. It could've been a mental illness for me. But, then again, perhaps any normal person's brain would've been stuck like this, and would've taken this long to fully recover from it.

Other Person's Response: TMS (Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation) is used for malfunctioning brains. For example, the brains of clinically depressed people are malfunctioning. So, sometimes, these people need TMS to alleviate their depression. TMS helps get their brains back into proper functioning.

Now, if this constant worry of yours isn't a mental illness, and is just a matter of your brain being stuck on some misery-inducing worry, then I don't think TMS would work to help alleviate the misery this worry is causing you. I don't think it would help at all to get your brain closer to its normal, healthy state again.

Therefore, something else needs to be done to help you get closer to a full recovery. Maybe you can find some sort of therapy that would help ease this worry and, thus, ease the emotional suffering and misery this worry is causing you.

My Reply: I'm not sure if TMS would help me or not. But, I'm not getting TMS, since it's expensive. Instead, I'll wait patiently until I fully recover on my own. I'm thinking I'll reach a state of full recovery, where that subconscious worry will be gone, and I'll be back into a state of joy again. As for therapy, I can't afford any therapist who specializes in expensive forms of therapy. Neither does listening to relaxing music help this worry. So, I just have to wait for the worry to resolve on its own. I don't think there's really anything I can do but wait patiently.

Other Person's Response: There's ECT (electric convulsive therapy) for people, with ongoing depression, who can't seem to recover, no matter what treatments have been given to them. Even people with ongoing apathy get ECT.

My Reply: Well, I heard ECT has harmful side effects, such as memory loss. So, if I lose my positive emotions, and nothing works to restore them, then I'd instead get TMS, which is less powerful than ECT, and doesn't have those harmful side effects. Besides, I don't think I need it anyway, since I think I'll fully recover from this worry on my own, and have my joy back to me.

 

[The Transcended Omniverse]

Other Person's Response: If you lose your positive emotions, and they don't seem to recover back to you, then I think you have few options to try to restore them, since there's no advanced technology that can act as a cure to restore them. So, even if you had millions of dollars, the best thing you could do would be to buy things that could help, or get TMS, or ECT, since those are the best, most powerful treatments we have for mental illnesses.

My Reply: That's why I wish I lived in the distant future, since there would be cures for virtually every illness, whether it be a physical or mental illness. There wouldn't just be these treatments that may or may not work. If I lived in the distant future, I could have my positive emotions all the time, wouldn't worry about them being taken away from me, and neither would I have to worry if any treatment would work to restore them if I did lose them.

Other Person's Response: If TMS or ECT does help, or even completely restores your brain back to its normal, healthy, happy state, then it makes me wonder why god, or these heavenly beings, didn't just restore your brain for you by healing you of this misery-inducing worry.

My Reply: Exactly. Their healing abilities are far greater than that of TMS or ECT, since they're all-powerful beings.

Other Person's Response: In regards to your worry, I bet you would've recovered faster if your brain let go of the worry sooner.

My Reply: Yes. It was my mind holding onto that worry that left me in that horrible, morbid state. The more it lets go of the worry, the more my mental status improves.

Other Person's Response: It would be lovely if your brain had the ability to recover from your emotional crisis at a very fast rate. It would mean you wouldn't have to wait over 2 years to fully recover from it.

My Reply: I agree. It would mean I'd only be miserable for a little while, but have my joy back to me soon enough.

Other Person's Response: It would be awesome if you were born with a super brain that could recover from a miserable moment in an instant. That way, you could instantly recover from this recent, misery-inducing worry you've had, and wouldn't have to wait so long to fully recover from it.

My Reply: Yes. I think every human being should've been born with a super brain.

Other Person's Response: It doesn't matter, even if you couldn't recover from that horrible state. You just need to learn to live with your problems.

My Reply: That horrible state wasn't just an unpleasant state for me. If it was, then it would just be unpleasant, and nothing more. People can live with unpleasant things. But, this horrible state was literally horrible, and my life was stripped of beauty, worth, love, and joy. That's no way to live, and I don't think anybody could be fine living like that.

Other Person's Response: I know there are people who are fine, living miserable or unhappy lives.

My Reply: These people would just be getting on with life and toughing it out, not realizing their lives are stripped of beauty, worth, and joy. They'd also not realize they can't love anybody without their positive emotions.

Other Person's Response: I'd like to hear more in regards to just how horrible your miserable struggles were for you.

My Reply: We all have moments where we feel happy, sad, or miserable. If you experienced a normal feeling of misery that wasn't that bad, then that would be an experience that falls under the normal spectrum. But, if you're in the absolute worst, miserable state of your life, then that's not a normal experience, and you need psychological help. These experiences fall outside the normal spectrum, since they're the absolute worst experiences. I've been outside that normal spectrum many times.

Other Person's Response: I realized you told yourself some things to try to ease that worry. But, none of those things helped you. Conscious thoughts don't really work if your subconscious is still worried. The subconscious is so much more powerful than our conscious minds, and that's why conscious thoughts don't work. Likewise, if you have the subconscious thought of hate towards someone, then conscious thoughts of love just won't work. I could say the same thing about subconscious beliefs. If you believe something, then any conscious thought won't make you believe otherwise. There has to be something that would change your belief, such as new evidence.

My Reply: Yes, I agree.

Other Person's Response: Since your brain was so stuck on that worry, and it took such a long time for your brain to resolve it, then that's like if I had a gigantic, 3D model project, and rendered it. Since the project has so much detail, then it would take an extremely long time to render the whole thing. So, that worry was like one, big project your brain had to take care of.

My Reply: I agree. My brain had to take the worry down tiny bit by bit until, eventually, the whole thing was gone, and I was all back to my normal, healthy state again. It would be like rendering a 3D model project, and it taking over 2 and a half years to render the whole thing. I could literally feel how this worry was one, big thing, jammed inside my brain, since I felt a jamming sensation there. It felt like something was tightly jammed. As time went on, that jamming sensation went down more and more.

Other Person's Response: Couldn't you have told yourself to just face your worry and that, if your worry does come true, it would be over soon?

My Reply: I told myself that, and none of it helped at all. That's because my subconscious mind continued to remain worried anyway.

Other Person's Response: Since your worry put you into a horrible, crippled state, that's no different than saying you had a horrible, crippled perspective?

My Reply: Yes. I was in a very ill state of mind and, thus, I had a very unhealthy perspective.

Other Person's Response: When you do fully recover from this, you're saying you'll no longer be troubled by the possibility of having a horrible trip during a near death experience?

My Reply: Correct. Once my brain has resolved the worry on its own, I'll no longer be troubled anymore. I'll no longer feel troubled, misery, rage, etc. Instead, I'd have a positive outlook now, and I'd look forward to the possibility of having a heavenly, blissful trip, rather than being troubled by the possibility of having a horrible trip.

Other Person's Response: When you fully recover from this, would it be like you're back home again?

My Reply: Yes. When I'm miserable, it's like I'm not home anymore, even though I'm physically in my own home. I instead feel like I'm in some dark place that's far from home. But, once I'm happy again, it's like I'm back home to all the beauty and joys I once had when I was younger. When we're experiencing The Light, that's our home anyway, since the realm of the light is where we need to be.

Other Person's Response: Is feeling worried the only way a person can be worried?

My Reply: Yes. So, if my subconscious mind was fixated on a certain worry, but it didn't make me feel worried, then I wouldn't even define my subconscious mind as being worried, since I define worry as the feeling of worry. Thus, I'd have to say my subconscious mind would be fixated on a certain idea, thought, or situation, rather than worried. But, I go outside of my definition of worry, and still say that I'm worried, even when I don't feel worried.

Other Person's Response: You say your miserable struggles have wasted much of your life. But, if you're an immortal soul, then a few years of your life wasted is nothing compared to an eternity. So, really, it's nothing to get worked up about. You'd have all of eternity to live and be as happy as much as you can. Now, if this was the only life you had, then it would be a big deal, since you only have so many years to live, and that's it. That's why every moment would count.

My Reply: Even if I was an immortal soul, I still take issue with god and these spiritual beings allowing me to suffer through these miserable struggles, rather than preventing them.

Other Person's Response: Is there still a feeling of worry about near death experiences to this very day?

My Reply: Yes. That emotion comes up every once in a while (along with other negative emotions). That's how I know that subconscious worry is still active in my mind. If it wasn't, then I wouldn't be feeling any of those negative emotions. After all, in my fully recovered, non-worried state, I wouldn't be feeling any of those negative emotions.

Other Person's Response: When you do fully recover from this recent, emotional crisis, would that be a shock to you? If I was in a horrible state for such a long time, but regained my joy, that would be a shock to me.

My Reply: Actually, it wouldn't be a shock to me. I'd just be recovered one day. If there were 2 colors (one very dark, and the other very bright), then, if I instantly changed the dark color to the bright one, that would be a shock to your eyes. But, if I gradually changed the dark color to the bright one, then it wouldn't be a shock to your eyes. My point is, if I instantly recovered from that horrible state, that would be a shock to me. But, since I've slowly and gradually recovered, then it wouldn't be a shock to me. Even though it's a complete life change, it still wouldn't be a shock to me.

Other Person's Response: When you're in the midst of an emotional crisis, and you feel a lot of negative emotions, I think feeling all those negative emotions would be your brain's way of releasing all that inner negativity. It might be your brain's way of recovering from that worry. So, instead of thinking of your emotional crisis as being some cruel, unfair circumstance, where you're allowed to suffer, think of it as all that negativity being released out of your life for good. After all, that's what you want, right? You want all that negativity gone, and your joy to return!

My Reply: Yes. Thinking of it that way might make me feel less violent. Still, god and/or these spiritual beings in the heavenly realms (if they do exist) could've instantly healed me.

Other Person's Response: Do you feel like harming these beings?

My Reply: Yes. I feel like getting my revenge for all the pointless suffering they allowed me to go through. Positive emotions are the only things that make life beautiful, and these beings would be allowing them to be taken away from me.

 

[The Transcended Omniverse]

Other Person's Response: If you could give advice to your younger self, what would that be?

My Reply: It would definitely be to avoid those miserable struggles. I'd tell my younger self to keep his thoughts as healthy and happy as he can. I'd also tell him to avoid situations that would trigger an emotional crisis the best he can. That way, he'd avoid future misery and emotional trauma. Just in case that isn't enough, I'd also tell him just how horrible these struggles would be for him if he doesn't avoid them.

I'd tell him he'd hate himself, he'd hate this life, would feel extremely violent, would be unable to love, have any joy, or have worth in his life. From there, I'd tell him nobody but himself is there to protect him from these struggles, since god and these spiritual beings aren't there to protect him (if they do exist). They aren't here to nurture, protect, or ensure our happiness. So, it would be up to him to ensure his own happiness.

Other Person's Response: You're very selfish, since you live just to ensure your own happiness!

My Reply: Well, I mind my own business, and I don't harm, abuse, steal, or torture others. Neither am I some nosy person who pesters others. So, people just need to appreciate that.

Other Person's Response: Even selfish people can change their values. So, you don't need to be a selfless person in order for your values to change. There are plenty of narcissists who don't live by emotional-based values.

My Reply: Even knowing this isn't enough to change my values. So, I think it all comes down to having a new personal experience.

Other Person's Response: In regards to these spiritual beings, are they just beings of light? Or, are they actual, physical beings?

My Reply: They're physical beings.

Other Person's Response: I heard that, at the very beginning of your miserable struggles, your nightmares weren't that bad, and they were normal, healthy experiences. But, later on, your struggles got worse. You were in the worst, profound, miserable state of your life. That caused you nightmares which were far worse experiences.

My Reply: Yes. In the past, I just had normal, healthy, miserable struggles. But, it got worse over time. As the struggles in my waking life got worse, my nightmares got worse. I, thus, had worse emotional experiences in these nightmares.

Other Person's Response: If you had the most powerful and profound euphoria in your waking life, would that create some sort of blissful altered state in your dreams?

My Reply: It's quite possible, and it would be more powerful and profound of an experience than the blissful, altered state of my waking life.

Other Person's Response: When a troublesome thought or worry makes you have nightmares, do your nightmares only pertain to said thought or worry?

My Reply: No. I also have nightmares that consist of scenes that have nothing to do with whatever troublesome worry or thought I'm having. So, that means there are other negative thoughts, causing other nightmares. When you have one particular negative thought, that can cause all sorts of other negative thoughts and, thus, all sorts of other nightmares.

That means I have nightmares that consist of a variety of negative emotions, and not just nightmares that consist of negative emotions pertaining to that one, troublesome thought or worry. I also feel all sorts of other negative emotions during my waking life, when I have a worry or negative thought. I don't just feel negative emotions in regards to whatever thought or worry I'm having.

Other Person's Response: If you were so worried, then why not just focus on something else? That would make you feel all better.

My Reply: No, it wouldn't. So, the only thing that could make me feel all better was time, and a lot of it, since it was a long term goal for me to recover from this. It's as they always say: time heals all wounds.

Other Person's Response: Well, you did this to yourself. You created your own hell by worrying about that situation.

My Reply: Being traumatized and miserable isn't always something we can control though. So, creating our own hell isn't always under our control. For example, I could tell a person not to create his own miserable or traumatic hell when he notices his loved one die, or get blown up in the battlefield.

But, that person would still suffer, and have a horrible experience anyway, when he notices the tragic situation. Therefore, the best we can do in terms of creating our own heaven here on Earth, and avoiding suffering, is to think as positive as we can. We should avoid situations or negative thoughts that would trigger a state of suffering, since not doing so would create our own hell.

Other Person's Response: You say negative emotions are very rare for you when you're happy and enjoying your life. Therefore, does this mean you feel happy during situations that you shouldn't feel happy about?

My Reply: Yes. But, I still feel fear in dangerous situations. So, I wouldn't feel happy then. But, for the most part, I do feel happiness when I'm fully recovered from any horrible worry, or negative thought I've had in my life. I even feel happy about situations I shouldn't feel happy about. When I'm miserable, and in the midst of an emotional crisis, I feel horrible about situations I shouldn't feel horrible about. For example, I could feel profound tragedy over some hot dogs that have been cooked in the microwave.

The hot dogs, being cooked, becomes disturbing and tragic to me because it's as though the hot dogs are living things that have been cooked, when I know that's not the case. I also feel disgust towards myself, certain people, and other living things, when I shouldn't. In short, everything becomes colored in joy and beauty when I'm happy and enjoying my life, while everything becomes colored in disgust, horror, and tragedy when I'm in the midst of an emotional crisis.

So, when I'm happy, even situations that should be horrible or tragic become colored in beauty and joy. They become situations that are experienced as beautiful and joyful. For example, if I watched people getting killed by tornadoes, that wouldn't be horrible or tragic to me when I'm happy. Instead, it would be a beautiful tornado, the eerie sky would be peaceful, and people getting killed wouldn't bother me one bit. I don't even think my own mother's death would bother me when I'm happy.

Other Person's Response: I know you said earlier that how the person thinks is how the person feels. So, the very fact you didn't feel horrible or tragic about those people being killed by tornadoes must mean you had the thought that you just didn't care about their death, and that their death was nothing horrible or tragic to you. Instead, you had thoughts of beauty and peace in regards to the tornado and eerie sky.

But, then you've had these worrisome thoughts that did make you feel much misery and mental agony. That must mean you thought those situations were horrible, and that's why those situations devastated you. So, it seems you worry about what could happen to yourself, and that you don't care about the death and suffering of others.

My Reply: First of all, if I had negative thoughts of horror and tragedy in regards to those people being killed by tornadoes, or even my mother dying, that would give me bad, horrible, horrific, tragic experiences. I wouldn't want to have those experiences, since the goal is to have beautiful, joyful, peaceful experiences. That even applies to worrying about myself, and having other negative thoughts that give me horrible, devastating experiences.

I've learned to stop worrying and thinking negative, so I could give myself beautiful, joyful experiences from now on. But, when I'm in the midst of an emotional crisis, I can't help but have all sorts of negative thoughts, such as it being tragic when hot dogs are cooked, which cause me to feel all sorts of negative emotions.

Other Person's Response: When you're fully recovered from this misery-inducing worry, and have your joy back to you again, do you think you'll have any more devastating thoughts or worries? What about your mother's death? Wouldn't that devastate you?

My Reply: I don't think her death would devastate me, even though I think she's a good mother. So, the only thing that devastated me was those negative thoughts and worries I've had. Once this recent worry is gone out of my life, and I have my joy back to me, I don't think I'll have another devastating moment.

Other Person's Response: If the sky was eerie, that would mean you felt eerie about it, which would be a negative emotion.

My Reply: Yes. So, I should've said it was a peaceful, dark sky, rather than an eerie sky, since I didn't feel eerie about it.

Other Person's Response: Since you're usually happy about situations you shouldn't be happy about during your worry-free moments, does this mean you even find it entertaining when people get into a heated argument with one another?

My Reply: Yes. An example would be when my mother becomes angry at someone. But, during my miserable struggles, it would be morbid and tragic, rather than entertaining. As you can see, I have a whole new perspective when I'm happy than when I'm miserable. But, during my happy moments, I'd still feel fear, in addition to entertainment, when there's a heated argument, since it's possible for such a heated argument to turn into a physical fight. I wouldn't want to get unnecessarily involved in the fight.

Other Person's Response: Is feeling entertained (a positive emotion) the only way to be entertained?

My Reply: Yes.

Other Person's Response: When you don't have any devastating worry or thought in your life, and you're doing just fine, you said you still felt fear in potentially dangerous situations. Is fear an easy emotion to trigger for you?

My Reply: Yes.

Other Person's Response: When you're happy, does it seem like the most miserable existence a person could experience is now something trivial, such as a very dark place in the woods?

My Reply: Yes. But, I know that's not true because I realize just how horrible my miserable struggles were, and just how horrible those crippled states were in my nightmares.

 

[The Transcended Omniverse]

Other Person's Response: When your mother feels angry next time, she should pay attention to that emotional state she's in. I think she should come to realize that this emotion is the desire to harm, and allows her to experience people she wishes to harm as horrible, **** people.

My Reply: Yes. She should also pay attention to her experience when she doesn't feel angry at people she usually feels angry about. She should come to realize that those people don't bother her, and that they're not horrible, **** people from her perspective.

Other Person's Response: In regards to the topic of suffering, you blame god and these spiritual beings for allowing so much suffering. I don't think it's their fault. It's humanity's fault.

My Reply: It's not the fault of someone if he was born into an abusive family, and felt horrible emotions from being abused. It's also not my fault for having been through that emotional crisis, since it was a worry I could do nothing about. It's not something I could just will away. As you can see, sometimes, suffering and misery isn't under our control.

Other Person's Response: If there was no suffering, that would mean people could never have disturbing nightmares. They'd just have happy dreams all the time. It would also mean giving birth would be a pleasant experience, rather than a painful one.

My Reply: Yes. A happy, easy life is the only greatest life there can be. Actually, your life can be hard. But, as long as you're happy and having fun the whole way through, then that's still a great life to live. So, if you have physical pain or illnesses, and you're enjoying that, then you're still living a great life.

Other Person's Response: I heard your worry is in regards to near death experiences. You shouldn't worry because they're very unlikely. Very few people have them.

My Reply: Even if I was convinced of that, that still wouldn't ease the worry one bit. As a result, I'd still be miserable. Another thing is that people debate as to whether near death experiences are very common or not. Some people say many patients have them, and are reluctant to report them, since they don't want to talk about them. I don't know if they are few in number, or if there are many because, like I said, I can't decide on things that have debate.

Other Person's Response: Worrying about something that might not even happen is pointless suffering.

My Reply: Yes, I agree. But, I can't just will this worry away. I could even think to myself that most near death experiences are blissful, and maybe few are hellish. But, the hellish ones still exist, and my worry wouldn't be eased at all.

Other Person's Response: Basically, your brain is chronically stuck on this worry, which means there are chronically active regions of your brain that need to settle back down? Once they're fully settled down, your positive emotions should turn back on?

My Reply: Yes. If I could will this worry away, I would in order to bring back my happiness. But, I can't.

Other Person's Response: Is there any way to tell how close you are to a full recovery?

My Reply: Yes. Since my brain is firmly stuck on that worry, then there's a jamming sensation I feel inside my head. The more this sensation goes down, the closer I am to a fully recovery.

Other Person's Response: Why is your brain so stuck on this worry, while all your other worries didn't last that long?

My Reply: Again, it's because this is my absolute worst worry of them all.

Other Person's Response: I agree you shouldn't have to suffer like this, and that it's all pointless agony.

My Reply: It seems that life is already filled with pointless things that should've never existed, and are just a waste of one's time and life. For example, what was the point of me having to go through all those biology, physics, and chemistry lessons in school, just to forget what I've learned? Even if I did remember it, I'd have no use for it, and those subjects aren't of any interest to me. What's the point of a child being born into this world with a severe, agonizing illness, just to die miserably soon afterwards? Some life that was!

What's the point of someone struggling with a life of poverty, just to learn later on there was an easy way for him to make a good amount of money all along? What's the point of someone doing things the hard way, just to learn later on there was an invention that would've made his life much easier, and saved him a lot of time? What's the point of someone having a relationship or a pet, just to waste all that money on it, and send the horrible pet away, or break up with the relationship? I think you get the idea. It's all pointless **** we don't need to go through.

Yet, we go through it anyway, putting our wading boots on, and mucking our way through, as though it all has some sort of grand purpose. But, you eventually come out of that pond of muck, just to realize there was a bright, clear, sunny path that would've made your life a whole lot easier. You soon realize wading through that muck was pointless, and you start to wonder why you had to wade through it, while others were on that sunny path the whole time, wallowing in happiness, fame, and riches, while you were stuck in a mucking pit of despair, agony, and poverty. In a way, it makes life seem like a cruel joke.

Other Person's Response: I think I understand your metaphor/analogy. You're asking why you had to go through all those horrible struggles, when there was a path of happiness there all along. You wonder why others have to suffer so much, while others are happy and rich for most, or even their entire lives.

My Reply: Correct. If god and spiritual beings do exist, then they've bestowed upon me a worthless capacity (the capacity to experience suffering). From there, they've allowed my life to be filled with pointless suffering. I put the blame on them for giving me said capacity.

Other Person's Response: I don't think you should envy others and how happy their lives are.

My Reply: I don't envy others. As a matter of fact, I don't care about others, their lives, or their opinions. I'm just concerned with my life and my own happiness. Still, I can't help but ask the question why some people suffer so much, while others are happy most of their lives. I just see no point in going through all these horrible struggles.

Other Person's Response: The happy path you could've had all along would be a life where you kept your thoughts healthy and, thus, never had to go through these miserable struggles. But, since you've been through these struggles, you think it was all just a pointless waste of your life?

My Reply: Yes.

Other Person's Response: I heard there were many thoughts that caused you misery. What exactly were these thoughts?

My Reply: I'll give you an example of one of them. If I avoided the idea of always being depressed, then that would cause me to feel depressed, and I'd worry that depression would always be there. From there, I wanted to avoid that, and that made me feel depressed. Of course, this depression didn't last my entire life. But, it was chronic, and lasted for quite some time.

As you can see, some of the thoughts that made me feel depressed were those ones that put you in a depressive, or miserable cycle. I had to not have the mindset of avoiding things in order to stop bringing upon myself more and more misery. However, there were forms of misery I brought upon myself that nothing could get rid of. An example would be this recent emotional trauma I had because nothing I thought got rid of the misery. I had to wait it out until I eventually fully recovered from it.

Other Person's Response: Could you give me another example of a miserable struggle you've had?

My Reply: Sure. I felt miserable over the possibility that misery could kill the brain cells in the pleasure center of the brain.

Other Person's Response: The problem with you is that you only see beauty and greatness in a happy life. What you don't realize is that suffering and misery hold much beauty and greatness. Think of all those miserable artists out there who inspired others.

My Reply: That's your view, and my view is different. I think this life was meant to be a utopia. . Even Michael Jackson sings about healing the world and making it a better place. If such a caring person like him is saying that suffering, misery, and diseases need to be cured, then why didn't god (who's supposed to be all-loving) already make this life a utopia? To me, it seems that Michael Jackson is even more loving and caring than god himself. If MJ were in god's place, I bet he'd make this life a utopia for us right from the start.

Other Person's Response: I think suffering does serve a good purpose.

My Reply: Personally, I don't see the point. Some spiritual believers say we choose the life we live before arriving here on Earth, and that some people choose a life of hardship, so they learn and grow. But, why in the world would a person choose a life where he's burned alive, or goes through some other type of pointless suffering? It makes no sense.

Other Person's Response: I do think grieving is pointless suffering. Since loved ones are in a better place, then there's just no reason to grieve. As a matter of fact, there are people who don't grieve because they realize this.

My Reply: I agree.

Other Person's Response: Or, maybe, our souls do choose the life we live, and we sometimes don't realize what's going to happen. If a person chose a life of being drowned as a newborn, then he didn't really choose to be drowned, since he didn't see it coming. That person being drowned was simply an unexpected turn of events.

My Reply: I think our souls do realize what's going to happen, since the spiritual beings present to us the life we're going to live, and its future outcomes, before we arrive. They can see into the future, after all. I think our souls can see into the future as well before arriving on Earth. In which case, I really don't understand why one would choose a life of being drowned as a newborn.

Other Person's Response: I do agree that god, and the spiritual beings in the heavenly realms, are all-knowing, and can see into the future. Given this, why would they have someone be born as a newborn child, just so that child would be drowned by an unloving mother? It's absurd and pointless.

My Reply: I agree. If our souls are going to come to Earth, then it would only make sense for us to live Earthly lives that are for a good purpose. A newborn child being drowned doesn't serve any good purpose. Especially if the newborn suffers and drowns secretly, with nobody to know about it, and help the child.

 

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Other Person's Response: I think I can give an answer that makes sense. This might be the only life we have, there are no spiritual being, there's no god, or an afterlife. Life is mostly a matter of luck, and we're just biological machines who live, die, and that's it. People who think that way are called the naturalists, since they think the natural world is all there is.

My Reply: That could be the case then.

Other Person's Response: You're right when you say there are forms of suffering that are pointless, and serve no good purpose.

My Reply: Another example of such a form of suffering would be someone who's born with an abusive family, and doesn't learn love or compassion, but instead hates and torture others. People, who are abused, often times become cruel, abusive, and hateful themselves. So, it would be better if that person was born into a family, where he comes out as a happy, healthy, loving, compassionate individual. Why would his higher self (soul) choose to be born into the former, abusive family, rather than the latter, loving family? That's something I don't understand. Plenty of people are born with abusive families. Not too many people are born with loving families. It makes the situation all the more baffling.

Other Person's Response: I don't think our souls have been sent here to Earth to undergo some learning and growing process. If something happens to you, whether it be fortunate or unfortunate, is purely chance. So, if we are souls, then we've just been sent to Earth, and nothing more. If we undergo pointless forms of suffering that waste our lives away, then there was no grand purpose in all that suffering.

In other words, we're just unfortunate. I see many people living with abusive parents, and how much it destroyed their lives. I think their predicament was pure misfortune, and nothing more. After all, there are people who live with loving families, and they've gained much more out of life than those types of people who lived with cruel, abusive families. So, that says to me that there are some people who are fortunate, and some who aren't. That's all life basically amounts to.

My Reply: Yes. If you're going to gain very little out of life from living with an abusive family than a loving one, then why would god have the souls of some people sent to Earth, just to live with abusive families? They're not gaining much learning and growth out of it. As a matter of fact, many people, who live with abusive families, end up becoming cruel, hateful, and abusive themselves, as I mentioned earlier.

So, that goes to show you just how little they're gaining from living with such families. Spiritual believers always talk about how love is so important. Living with a loving family would be very likely to result in people becoming loving themselves. So, it makes no sense to me why some souls are sent here to live with unloving, abusive families.

Other Person's Response: There are people who live with abusive families, and they neither become more loving, nor hateful. They don't learn and grow much either, and they just live life as it is, all the while accepting their abusive families.

My Reply: Yes. There are some people who just don't care about their unfortunate situations, and they simply carry on in life. So, there are people who become more hateful and cruel, due to their unfortunate situations, there are people who become more loving, and people who just don't care. But, living with a loving family is much more likely to make you a better, more loving person, who acquires a lot of learning and growth as an individual. So, that's why I think it's best for souls to be born with loving families, and I think souls would gain much more benefit than living with cruel, abusive families.

Other Person's Response: If souls are happy and loving when they're in heaven (they're home world), but become unhappy, cruel, and unloving once they're born with abusive families on Earth, then it would've been best for these souls to remain in heaven. There was no good reason for sending them to Earth to be born with abusive families. So, either keep these souls in heaven, or send them to Earth, where they can be born with loving families.

My Reply: I agree. Having them born with abusive families would be putting them through pointless suffering and hardships that only serve to stunt their growth, and prevent them from becoming the most loving, compassionate, healthy, happy souls they can be. Besides, we can have any wish granted to us in heaven. Even any form of learning and growth we wish to obtain. Therefore, souls don't have to be born with loving families on Earth to obtain the greatest amount of learning and growth they can obtain, when they can just wish for it in heaven, and have it granted to them.

Other Person's Response: As for the abusive families themselves, it's likely they've been through some struggles that made them cruel, hateful, and abusive. So, it would've been best for them to remain in heaven, or be born with loving families.

My Reply: I agree.

Other Person's Response: Absolutely spot on! All you can gain from misery is that it sucks. However, the experiences and lessons gained from loving experiences, without misery, are wonderful. One does not need to know experiences of misery in order to understand that loving experiences, without misery, are beneficial to the quality of the Soul's self. Love can thrive without hate, and hate, or an absence of love, is not necessary in order to know the benefits of love.

Has anyone witnessed, with their sight and conscious awareness, what happens to a spiritual being's quality of self, due to the great law of "REAP AS ONE SOWS," when that person has been acting in discordance with the "great law?" If you had witnessed what happens, then you'd know that, with every act of discordance, the Soul's self depletes in radiance and abundance of spiritual life force. The emanating, spiritual body reflects the depleting qualities of the Soul's self. It distorts, shrinks, darkens of complexion, and fades away.

An unloving spiritual being can only grow more unloving, and become less radiant and abundant of spiritual life force from being in discordance with God's way of love. An unhappy, spiritual person, of constant sorrow, will not grow of spiritual radiance and abundance of spiritual life force, and will remain in a stagnant state of spiritual life force. However, a person, who is free to feel/experience spiritual love and happiness, will grow exponentially in radiance and abundance of spiritual life force with each loving moment experienced, due to the great law of "REAP AS ONE SOWS."

My Reply: Yes. There's no need to go through pointless forms of misery. Neither should people be born with unloving families, where they remain in a pit of hate, despair, etc. Fortunately, I've recovered from my miserable struggles, and I live with a loving family. My mother may not be the most loving person in the world. But, she doesn't abuse me, and I accept her for who she is.

Other Person's Response: People, who go on drug trips, report that god says to them that suffering does serve a grand purpose. Maybe that grand purpose is a cruel joke god is playing on humanity.

My Reply: You might be right.

Other Person's Response: Another form of suffering I find pointless is animals being abused. How's that any benefit for them?

My Reply: Exactly. It serves no good purpose for the suffering animal.

Other Person's Response: According to you, suffering, misery, and unhappiness is no different than a pest that has latched itself onto the backside of humanity? It was something meant to be eradicated all along?

My Reply: Yes. I realize there's the concept known as "YinYang," which says there's positivity and negativity. But, why should it be that way? Why can't human beings live a utopia, where they can experience nothing but positive? Why have the negative, when you can instead just have the positive?

Other Person's Response: I don't think positive emotions are the ultimate state of being and living one's life. Buddhists, through their practice and meditation, have obtained the ultimate state.

My Reply: All meditation and practice really does is it keeps you under control, and reduces further turmoil and suffering. But, to obtain the ultimate state of being and living, that can only come about through positive emotions. Beauty, love, and joy are divine states, and no hours of practice and meditation can act as a replacement for that. If you lose your positive emotions, nothing else can replace the beauty, love, and joy your positive emotions have given your life.

Other Person's Response: I think it's ridiculous to claim positive emotions are divine states, and the ultimate state of being.

My Reply: Well, if I said positive thinking (thoughts of love, joy, beauty, and greatness) is a divine state, and the ultimate state of being, that wouldn't sound ridiculous because we all know positive thinking is a beautiful mental state to be in. Now, let me switch that on over to positive emotions, rather than positive thoughts, since positive emotions are the only beautiful mental states to be in.

Other Person's Response: I know plenty of Buddhists who feel negative emotions, such as agony and despair. Yet, they act like it's nothing, and they claim they're not suffering, or in despair. That's because they have power and control over their emotions. Also, if you inflicted physical pain upon a Buddhist, he'd act like it's nothing.

My Reply: I think Buddhists, who feel those negative emotions, are still suffering, and are still in agony or despair. They just have power and control over how they react. But, that doesn't mean they're not suffering on the inside. I think they're in denial of their own inner suffering or turmoil. They'd also be in denial of their own experience of beauty, love, and joy if they claimed their positive emotions are nothing more than trivial things of little to no significance. As you can see, it doesn't matter how much power and control you have; emotions are still how we love, have joy, hate, experience mental turmoil, etc.

Other Person's Response: I disagree with what you said in your previous packet. I don't think suffering and diseases should be eliminated. They have much value and purpose.

My Reply: Suffering and disease cause grief to many families. So, I think scientists have the right mindset when they think suffering and disease need to be eliminated, so that we can live a utopia life.

Other Person's Response: If this were the future, and it was a utopia world, then there'd be no need to suffer in order to obtain some greater, profound joy that we could already have through advanced technology.

My Reply: Exactly.

 

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Other Person's Response: I, on the other hand, do agree with you. I think suffering and disease need to be eliminated.

My Reply: Exactly. If Stephen Hawking wasn't crippled in a wheelchair, he could've achieved so much more. I know he didn't give up. But, even so, his condition greatly hindered his scientific achievements. The same idea applies to Beethoven's deafness.

If Stephen Hawking and Beethoven were alive, and living in a future utopia life, where suffering and disease are eliminated, then they could've achieved so much more. In addition, think of all the people who go through terrible forms of suffering that destroy their lives, and bring grief to their families. An example would be people in psyche wards.

These people go insane, when they don't deserve to live like this. There are other forms of living that are so horrible that assisted suicide is carried out for that suffering person. Assisted suicide is where people agree that a person's life should be ended, and lethal medication is prescribed, so that the person can take it to end his/her life.

Other Person's Response: What if the handicaps of Beethoven, Stephen Hawking, and other famous people brought their lives greater joy than they could ever experience not having those handicaps?

My Reply: Then their handicaps were beneficial. Even if these people could achieve much more without their handicaps, then, as long as their handicaps brought their lives much more joy, then it would be better for them to have these handicaps.

Other Person's Response: If Beethoven wasn't deaf, and could hear his own music, that would be great. It sucks not being able to hear the awesome music you've created.

My Reply: Yes. Even though others could hear it, I still think it would be best if Beethoven was never deaf. Music is something meant to be listened to, and to be left out of that beautiful experience just isn't right. Sure, Beethoven might've had a beautiful experience, giving others amazing music to listen to. But, it's unfair for Beethoven to not hear his own music, and experience the beauty and greatness when he listens to it.

When you combine the amount of beauty and greatness Beethoven would experience when he inspires others through his music, and the amount he'd experience if he were to listen to his music, then that would be a greater amount of beauty and greatness experienced in Beethoven's life, as opposed to the amount he'd experience just from inspiring others. I don't know this for sure though. It's just pure speculation.

Other Person's Response: I heard people, who meet god during their near death experience, report that god says life is a gift, and people who end their lives by committing suicide, are doing the wrong thing. They'll end up in a miserable afterlife.

My Reply: Well, for some, life is a curse. That's why assisted suicide needs to be carried out for some people. How could god blame these types of people for ending their lives? They're in a truly hopeless scenario, and I think having their lives ended would be justified. God also says that everything is working perfectly according to some grand, cosmic plan. But, how could allowing someone to suffer so horribly that they require assisted suicide be a good plan?

Other Person's Response: I thought god was a being of light who doesn't judge. Yet, he's judging suicide as a wrong deed. If a person dies of a natural cause, such as being shot by a gun, god wouldn't judge him, or punish him with a horrible afterlife. So, why should god judge, and punish someone who dies by suicide? It's his life and his decision, which means god shouldn't do that.

My Reply: I think you're right. But, I'm not going to commit suicide, when there's help out there for me.

Other Person's Response: Let's pretend you did commit suicide, since you've had so much misery in your life, that you can't take it anymore. God shouldn't punish you with even more misery by having you remain in some miserable afterlife.

My Reply: I agree. I think god, and these heavenly beings, should be the ones punished for allowing me to go through all those miserable struggles.

Other Person's Response: You brag about how you think your methods are superior to god's, and how life would be better if it was a utopia. Do you think you're a genius who's smarter than god?

My Reply: My attitude stems from a negative outlook. I see life as a cruel, absurd joke, where people are allowed to go through pointless forms of suffering. I don't think I'm a genius or anything of the sort. I have this negative outlook during my miserable struggles, since I don't have my positive emotions during these moments, and I can only see things in life from a negative perspective. Thus, I blame god and these spiritual beings for allowing so much suffering.

Other Person's Response: There could be a cure in the future that would wipe out this misery-inducing worry (providing this misery-inducing worry happened to you in the future, rather than this time period). It would be some technology that would wipe out your memory. That way, you'd forget all about this worry.

My Reply: Yes. Once the worry has been wiped out, all my misery should be gone, and my feelings of joy should return. That's another ability god, and these heavenly beings, would have. They could've just caused me to forget all about this worry. Or, like I said, they could've just used their healing powers to ease my mind completely.

Other Person's Response: What if wiping out your memory caused you to forget the life lesson you learned from your struggles, which would be to keep your thoughts healthy, and stop worrying? This means you'd have miserable struggles all over again, induced by negative thoughts and worries.

My Reply: That could happen. I'm not sure.

Other Person's Response: Or, the memories you have in regards to those crippled states in your nightmares, and just how horrible these experiences were, could be erased.

My Reply: Yes. That means the idea of a horrible trip during a near death experience wouldn't bother me anymore, since it was experiencing something worse than those crippled states that I was worried about. So, without the memory of those crippled states, all I'd know is that it's possible I might have a very horrible experience during a trip. But, it wouldn't bother me, since I wouldn't realize just how horrible these experiences can get, considering I wouldn't have the memories of those crippled nightmare states to give me an idea.

Other Person's Response: I heard that people, who go on heavenly trips during their near death experience, or when they take drugs, report they've had a joyful encounter with heavenly beings, who use their magical powers to instantly rid of the person's negative thoughts and worries. It makes having all those negative thoughts and worries seem like pointless suffering, doesn't it?

My Reply: I think it is pointless suffering. I don't think I need to encounter these beings myself to be healed of this worry. These beings should be able to heal me here on Earth. Yet, they're not doing it.

Other Person's Response: Since people have their minds healed of all misery-inducing worries and thoughts when they meet beings in the heavenly realms, this says such worries and thoughts were meant to be eliminated. That being the case, why allow people to suffer from these thoughts and worries in the first place?

My Reply: Exactly. That's something I don't understand. I heard, from spiritual believers, that negativity is meant to be eliminated, and these beings healing the minds of people confirms this. So, there was no reason to allow me to suffer from this misery-inducing worry. It was never meant to be there in the first place, just as how grime was never meant to be on a nice vehicle.

Other Person's Response: Spiritual believers, and even average, everyday people, say worrying is pointless suffering.

My Reply: Yes. It's pointless, and god or these beings should be ridding of it out of my life.

Other Person's Response: I heard that some people, who have near death experiences, report meeting a being in an empty void who says that life is nothing but a cruel joke, and that the person's suffering was pointless.

My Reply: That being could be the intelligent one who's right.

Other Person's Response: In regards to all those miserable struggles you've been through, there are workers of darkness, who are invisible, evil beings who find ways to inflict suffering upon victims. So, perhaps these evil beings have found a way to bring much misery into your life. These evil beings work by means of bad karma, and perhaps all your miserable struggles were a result of bad karma in your life.

My Reply: If that's the case, then the workers of light, who would be the holy beings, should be working in my favor, and healing me of this worry. An even better solution would be them finding ways to prevent any misery from happening in my life to begin with.

Other Person's Response: The very fact you're slowly and gradually recovering from this worry must mean these workers of light are working in your favor to restore your joy back to you.

My Reply: These beings have the power to instantly heal me of my misery-inducing worry. So, I'm simply recovering on my own, and I don't think these beings are helping me at all.

Other Person's Response: I think this whole recovery process you're going through is nothing more than desensitization. As you continue to feel certain emotions, they fade over time on their own. Since your misery, as well as other negative emotions as a result of said misery, have lingered on for such a long time, that's why these emotions have faded over time.

My Reply: I'm not sure if that's the recovery process my brain has been going through. My brain could've been recovering in a different way than you described.

Other Person's Response: The desensitization process is also used when a person exposes himself to his phobia. As he continues to expose himself, the fear fades away. Thus, he no longer has the phobia. Or, at least, the phobia has been significantly reduced.

My Reply: Yes.

 

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Other Person's Response: According to your philosophy, hate can only be an emotion. Since emotions can be desensitized, then a person should no longer hate someone if he continues to expose himself to that person he hates.

My Reply: Correct. Hate and fear are emotions, and they can be desensitized. But, a person, who continues to hate or fear someone or something, might not have exposed himself enough. Or, maybe, he can't desensitize himself, due to the desensitization mechanism in his brain being faulty.

Other Person's Response: Let's pretend you lived for millions of years. Are you sure all your positive emotions wouldn't be desensitized by then? That would mean you could no longer enjoy your life or hobbies anymore, and neither could you love anybody or anything.

My Reply: It's possible that could happen. But, that would never happen in heaven, since I'd have everlasting, eternal bliss.

Other Person's Response: Well, you've lived many years of your life as a hedonist, and you say none of your positive emotions have desensitized. You were still able to fully enjoy your life and hobbies.

My Reply: Yes. But, if I lived for millions of years, perhaps I wouldn't be able to feel joy anymore.

Other Person's Response: Maybe, if you lived for millions of years, your positive emotions could never be desensitized. Perhaps there will be some technology that would prevent this from happening, and allow you to have everlasting joy.

My Reply: Yes.

Other Person's Response: When people fully watch a good movie the 1st time, it's most enjoyable. But, when they watch it again and again, it's not as enjoyable, since people already know the characters, plot, etc. They remember everything about the movie, since they've watched it so many times. Maybe, in the future, there will be a way to wipe out those memories, so that when a person watches a good movie a 2nd time, 3rd time, 4th time, etc., it would be like the person is always watching the movie the 1st time. That way, they can always get a great amount of joy, no matter how many times they watch the movie.

My Reply: That would be interesting.

Other Person's Response: If your whole recovery process was a desensitization process, then your brain certainly went through A LOT of desensitization! Normally, a person becomes desensitized to a phobia after the first few, brief exposures. But, for you, it took 3 years straight to fully desensitize all the misery, and other negative emotions, that have resulted from this devastating worry of yours.

My Reply: Yes. My brain went through this whole recovery process all day everyday (24/7) for 3 years straight. Even during my sleep, my subconscious mind was stuck on this worry, and was still recovering from it. If my mind completely let go of the worry during moments where I was asleep, then I wouldn't even have nightmares because, normally, I always have pleasant dreams. The fact I had all those profoundly horrible nightmares must mean my mind was stuck on this worry during my sleep.

Other Person's Response: Your mind couldn't let go of that worry for even 10 seconds, so you could be happy in those 10 seconds?

My Reply: That's correct. My subconscious mind had a firm grip on this worry, and wouldn't let go of it.

Other Person's Response: Does your brain have a difficult time desensitizing? The reason I ask this is because 3 years is an extremely long time to fully recover.

My Reply: I don't think my brain has a problem desensitizing because one of my phobias was a fear of heights. When I walked on the bridge with my mother, so she could take pictures of the flood, I felt fear at first because I was at a high altitude. But, that fear soon went away. So, that says my brain's desensitization process is working just fine. Otherwise, that fear would've lingered, and would be very difficult to reduce. But, I did have other phobias, which didn't reduce on their own. Instead, I was able to face them to get rid of them.

Other Person's Response: When it comes to overcoming your fears by facing them, I think it sometimes requires training to do so, since your brain needs to be rewired to face those fears, rather than running away from them. So, my point is, you must rewire/retrain your brain to face those fears.

My Reply: Yes.

Other Person's Response: I don't think there's any problem with your brain's desensitization process because it can take a very long time for a person to fully recover from a devastating, emotional crisis, or a miserable moment, due to a certain event, such as the loss of a loved one.

My Reply: Yes.

Other Person's Response: As for the desensitization of an emotional response, I heard some people can't desensitize, and have to live with these emotions.

My Reply: That would be horrible because I'd be trapped in that horrible, miserable, crippled state, with no hope of recovery from it. That is, if desensitization is how my brain recovers from it, and my brain didn't have that ability. My brain could be using a different method of recovery though, such as somehow resolving the worry itself, which is the cause of my misery, and other negative emotions.

Other Person's Response: Maybe your brain is using both desensitization and another mechanism to recover from your misery-inducing worry.

My Reply: That could be.

Other Person's Response: Let's pretend you didn't have the ability to recover from your misery, and you had to live with it. Do you think god, or these heavenly, spiritual beings, would heal your misery, and restore your joy?

My Reply: I don't think so. Since they're not healing me now, then I doubt they'd heal me in the hopeless predicament you described. As a matter of fact, I doubt they're healing people who are stuck in the grieving process, and can't recover from it. So, they'd just leave these grieving people in a horrible state, where their lives are nothing beautiful, valuable, or worth living. That means they'd be stuck with all those negative thoughts and emotions. Fortunately, I'm able to fully recover from situations like these.

Other Person's Response: I heard there are those types of people who do recover from misery-inducing situations, such as the loss of a loved one. But, they never fully recover.

My Reply: That's still a horrible situation to be in because the whole point of life is to have as much positive emotions as possible. As long as you have negative thoughts or beliefs throughout your life, making you feel negative emotions, then that's only taking away the positive experiences in your life.

Other Person's Response: As for the reason why some people never fully recover, maybe it's because they don't expose themselves long enough to fully desensitize their misery, and other negative emotions. But, since your mind was stuck on this worry 24/7 for about 3 years, then that's how long you've exposed yourself to this worry. Perhaps that's why you're able to fully recover.

My Reply: Yes. When my mind is troubled by something, my mind gets stuck on that worry, or negative thought, 24/7. Almost all of my other miserable moments were caused by worries. Since I've fully recovered from all those miserable moments, then I'm quite sure I'll fully recover from this recent one.

Other Person's Response: I think the worry response in the brain is completely useless because worrying is just pointless suffering.

My Reply: That's why it would better if I was a being who didn't have this worry response. If god and these heavenly beings do exist, then it seems as though they've equipped me with a completely useless response that only serves to make me go through pointless misery.

Other Person's Response: I think it's evolution that has equipped us with certain mechanisms that only serve to be detrimental to our health and mental well-being. Worry is a survival mechanism that helped promote our survival in the past. But, it's useless today.

My Reply: Yes. Some spiritual believers say god creates human beings and animals through evolution. But, it would be better if he could create humans and animals himself because he's an all-knowing being, which means he'd do a much better job than evolution. But, since I might've been created through evolution, then god might not even exist because, if he did, then he'd create me as a being who didn't have this useless worry response/mechanism.

Other Person's Response: So, if god and these heavenly beings exist, you're basically blaming them for all the misery you've been through? It seems to me you blame anyone who doesn't conform to your standards. For example, you blame readers if they say your writing is awful, and you blame other people if they were to frown upon you, or name call you, since you're not adhering your life to major responsibilities, such as helping humanity, contributing to the world, and being a father.

My Reply: Yes. I think such blame is justified.

Other Person's Response: Don't feel so bad. There are plenty of people who've had their lives wasted away by ongoing worries, anxiety, depression, and negative thinking. It's very common.

My Reply: Thank you.

Other Person's Response: In one of your packets, you talk about your emotional trauma, and how your brain was stuck on a certain worry. Was that your brain receiving negative energy?

My Reply: Correct. Since my subconscious brain had a very difficult time resolving this worry, this means that worry was stuck there, allowing my brain to receive more and more negative energy. That's why negative emotions, such as rage, disgust, misery, and despair lingered on for so long during that trauma. It's only once I've fully recovered that my brain stopped receiving this negative energy. It was a long term goal reaching a state of full recovery.

Other Person's Response: Now, let's pretend that you could never recover from that horrible, miserable state and you had to live with it. What would you do then?

My Reply: I don't know. I'm not sure if it's possible for me to never recover from it. I mean, let's pretend I had severe brain damage, or some brain defect that rendered the recovery mechanisms in my brain dysfunctional, then would I never recover? I don't think I've ever heard of someone who's had an emotional crisis, and was trapped in a miserable state for most, or his entire life. I could be wrong though.

 

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Other Person's Response: There is clinical depression, where certain regions of the brain become stuck in an active state, while others are less active. There are people who have to live like that. So, maybe it's possible you could be stuck in a miserable state, due to a certain worry or thought, and never get out of it.

My Reply: I don't know if that's possible. But, it's better to be safe than sorry and to, thus, avoid any further miserable moments. That's why I've kept my thought processes healthy to avoid any further misery.

Other Person's Response: There's also PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder) where people can't seem to recover from their emotional crisis. So, it could be possible, if you ever do have another miserable moment, that you wouldn't recover from the misery.

My Reply: In which case, I wouldn't want to have another miserable moment, just in case I ever develop PTSD. I'm thankful I've fully recovered from each and every one of my miserable moments. Otherwise, I'd be trapped in a horrible state.

Other Person's Response: Even if you died and went to some miserable afterlife, I'm quite sure your soul would recover from that misery, just as how you're able to recover here on Earth. I don't think you'd be doomed to forever remain miserable in that horrible afterlife. Your soul would recover, which would allow you to enter back into the realm of the light.

My Reply: You might be right.

Other Person's Response: I heard there are mediums, and even people on the streets, who heal those with certain physical or mental ailments. Perhaps they can heal you of this worry.

My Reply: First of all, there are no street healers or healing mediums where I live. Second, most spiritual healers are fake. Who knows, they could all be fake. Lastly, I did go on a spiritual forum and asked people there, who claim to have healing abilities, to perform distant healing to heal this worry of mine. It never happened. So, spiritual healing might be fake. My topic had a lot of views, and a moderate amount of responses. So, it's not like hardly anybody noticed.

Other Person's Response: What did the people, who responded, say in your topic?

My Reply: I'll just give you the link to my topic here. Basically, people just recommended certain forms of therapy or hypnosis, and that was it:

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Other Person's Response: Suffering is evil, and I heard meditation helps ease a person's mental suffering.

My Reply: It requires that the person's brain is able to recover from the turmoil because, without the ability to recover, then the person will remain in mental turmoil, and even meditation wouldn't work for him.

Other Person's Response: If that misery-inducing worry kept you in a miserable state, and you could never recover from it, then your only option would be to change your thinking, so you could no longer be worried anymore. Since meditation wouldn't work, and since your brain's recovery ability would be absent, then there are methods out there that would help you change your thinking.

My Reply: I'm not sure, but I think meditation is also about changing your thinking, and not just about trying to relax your mind.

Other Person's Response: Did you try out those therapeutic methods those people in the link recommended to you?

My Reply: I don't think my therapist specializes in these forms of therapy. Not only that, I don't understand anything about these forms of therapy anyway.

Other Person's Response: In regards to suicidal people, I heard those who commit suicide are condemned to suffer an eternity in hell.

My Reply: My mother thinks people end up in hell if they commit suicide. But, she's not thinking for herself because, if she was, then she would've realized that an all-loving, all-just god would never condemn anyone to an eternal hell.

Other Person's Response: If miserable people commit suicide, then I don't think god should frown upon them. I think god himself should be frowned upon for allowing such suffering. Especially if the suicidal person thought it was hopeless, and that nothing would work for him. Or, if nothing really works for this suicidal person, and he just ends his life.

My Reply: Yes.

Other Person's Response: It seems you're writing this whole packet just to vent. You think it's unjust and unloving for god, and these heavenly beings, to allow all the suffering you've been through, and you wish to write about it and share it.

My Reply: Yes.

Other Person's Response: Souls are sent to Earth, and they're unaware of the life lessons they're supposed to learn. But, if you were aware, then that awareness would've given you a big advantage because you would've known, from the very beginning, to keep your thoughts healthy in order to avoid all those miserable struggles you've been through. You wouldn't have to suffer through all that misery, just to eventually learn that life lesson. In addition, you would've already known just how important positive emotions are, and you wouldn't have to suffer to learn that life lesson either.

My Reply: Yes. I would've already known what my future would be like if I didn't stop worrying and thinking negative. I would've known that it would've been a hellish existence, where I feel violent, remain in a cycle of misery that gets worse over time, that many years of my life would've been wasted, etc. So, I would've avoided all that suffering, just from knowing my future. That means I would've faced and allowed those situations in my life, rather than having negative thoughts and worries about them. But, like I said, even though I've learned my life lesson, this recent worry of mine is something I can't do anything about, since nothing I think or do eases it one bit.

Perhaps if I faced and allowed the situation I'm worried about, that would ease, or even rid of this worry. But, the situation I'm worried about is so horrible that there's no way I can have the mindset of being comfortable with it. You see, I must have a comfortable mindset with a certain situation in order to not be troubled and worried about that situation, and I'm not sure if there's a way I can be comfortable with the situation I'm worried about regarding near death experiences. Fortunately, over time, my mind is able to let go of the worry. So, that means, once the worry is completely gone, I'll no longer be uncomfortable, troubled, and worried.

Other Person's Response: Maybe all your miserable struggles did serve a good purpose. Since they've wasted your life, then that's all the more reason for you to make up for all those years wasted, and live life like you've never lived it before.

My Reply: Well, I'd have to feel very motivated, joyful, and excited to live life like I've never lived it before, since that feeling is the only thing that can urge me to do so, and make me see much value and worth in that. But, I could have those feelings all I want in heaven, since heaven grants your every wish. So, there's no need for me to suffer through all those miserable struggles, when I could just live life to the absolute max in heaven.

I'd get much more done, and live life to a much greater extent in heaven than here on Earth, since I'd have those feelings to motivate me for all of eternity. These feelings would be everlasting, and much more intense and profound than anything I could experience here on Earth. That means I'd be super motivated in heaven, compared to being on Earth. A feeling of super motivation, that lasts for eternity, would result in a super amount of things getting done.

Other Person's Response: Do you, at least, feel more motivated to live life like you've never lived it before?

My Reply: First of all, I can't feel that motivation right now, since I'm still not fully recovered from this worry. Even if I was fully recovered, I think I'd just be back to my usual, happy self. That means I'd have the normal level of motivation and joy I usually have. So, I'd get a normal amount of things done, and live my life how I normally live it.

Other Person's Response: In regards to your miserable struggles, since they were such profoundly horrible experiences for you, this means your mind was in a very deep, hellish realm. Depending on how horrible or beautiful a given experience is for you, your mind can either be in a shallow, or very deep, heavenly or hellish realm.

My Reply: Yes.

Other Person's Response: Those crippled states in your nightmares must've been very horrible experiences for you, since you're so worried about having them again during a hyper lucid trip, induced by a near death experience.

My Reply: Yes. Those crippled states are what I would call "grand experiences," since they were such horrible, powerful, and profound experiences.

Other Person's Response: It seems to me, once you have a negative thought, or worry, that causes you misery, and you fully recover from it, you no longer have that worry or negative thought anymore. Perhaps life is some sort of purification process, where we must undergo grief and misery in order to rid of those negative thoughts and worries that caused the grief and misery in the first place. For example, when people go through a grieving process, they come out the other end, no longer grieving over their loss. Sometimes, it takes a while to fully recover from the grief though.

My Reply: Perhaps that's the case. So, maybe, my mother will eventually stop having negative thoughts in regards to her financial predicament. Perhaps she'd eventually get to the point where it no longer bothers her anymore, and she'd just try to find ways to earn money, without becoming enraged when she doesn't achieve her goal.

Other Person's Response: If your miserable struggles were some sort of purification process to eliminate those negative thoughts and worries you've had, then god, or these heavenly beings, could've instantly purified you. So, there was no need to go through all those struggles. Especially this recent emotional crisis you've had.

My Reply: I agree.

 

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Other Person's Response: I consider your whole recovery process to be a form of spiritual growth because, once you're fully recovered, that worry is gone out of your psyche, including all the other negative thoughts and emotions that came with that worry. Thus, you've transcended that worry, as well as all those other negative thoughts and emotions. You could've transcended that worry another way though, such as changing your mindset to be here in the moment. I heard mindfulness meditation helps with that. There are methods that can help you overcome other negative thoughts as well.

My Reply: Yes. So, when it comes to recovering from a devastating moment in your life, such as the loss of a loved one, or, in my case, a devastating worry, you could either try methods that are said to change one's mindset, or you could just let your brain go through its natural recovery process. Sometimes, it can take a very long time for the brain to fully recover on its own. It certainly did for this worry of mine.

Other Person's Response: If someone is lacking a certain mindset necessary to make himself miserable or emotionally traumatized, then I already consider that a form of transcendence and growth. For example, you said you wouldn't be upset one bit if your mother died. Therefore, that would be your own personal form of growth and transcendence as an individual.

My Reply: Yes. When we have negative thoughts, or worries, that cause us to be miserable or emotionally traumatized, then we become beings of darkness. The goal is to rise above that, whether it be by changing our way of thinking somehow, or letting our brains go through the natural recovery process from said misery or emotional trauma.

Other Person's Response: Perhaps if you've taken a psychedelic drug, you'd go on a trip where you'd meet god, and these beings, in a heavenly realm, where they could heal this worry of yours.

My Reply: I could have a horrible trip, which is why I wouldn't take psychedelic drugs.

Other Person's Response: The possibility of having such a horrible trip when taking a drug isn't what's causing you misery, is it? That's because you're not going to take a drug and, thus, you don't have to be troubled by that possibility. It's instead the possibility of having such a horrible trip during a near death experience that's causing you misery because we all live and die. That means you're going to have a fatal experience yourself someday, and said experience might result in you going on such a trip.

My Reply: Yes, that's the worry that's been causing me so much suffering. If we are souls that leave our physical bodies, then going on a trip/journey is inevitable. If that's the case, then I wouldn't want it to be a horrible trip. If I do have such a horrible trip, I'd know it would be over soon. Still, the very idea of having the horrible trip I'm worried about troubles me greatly.

Other Person's Response: If this is the only life we have, and these trips are nothing more than hallucinations, then you don't really have to worry about them, considering that few people have them.

My Reply: I'm still worried anyway, and nothing eases this worry one bit.

Other Person's Response: If you die, meet god, and these spiritual beings in heaven, and they tell you, with a disappointed tone, that all your miserable struggles were a pointless waste of your life, what would you say to them?

My Reply: I'd tell them they're the foolish ones for sending me to Earth to undergo these pointless struggles. From there, I'd tell them they better give me a sufficient reward for all my suffering. That would be their way of apologizing, and making up for all the pointless suffering I've been through.

Other Person's Response: You could've just lived a happy, easy life the entirety of your Earthly existence, asked for that reward when you're in heaven after your physical body dies, and you'd be given that reward.

My Reply: Which makes my struggles all the more pointless. I mean, I could understand it if these were struggles that brought my life much positivity. But, they didn't. Imagine a scenario where someone goes through much hardship to earn a trophy. If the person's hardship brought his life much positivity , then that would give his whole struggle much purpose.

But, if it's a form of hardship that only takes away the positive experiences in his life, such as beauty and magnificence, then that makes the struggle pointless. Thus, it would be a better solution if he was just handed the trophy without having to go through those struggles. You must take into consideration the amount of positivity he'd experience overall in his life.

If the amount he'd have from his struggle, combined with the amount he'd have when he earns the trophy, would be greater than the amount he'd have if it weren't for his struggle, then it would be the better solution for him to go through the struggle to earn the trophy.

Otherwise, it would instead be the better solution to just hand him the trophy, and not have him go through that struggle. So, that's why I think it would be the better solution to just hand me anything I want in heaven, without having to go through those miserable struggles, which did nothing but take away my positive experiences.

Other Person's Response: It seems to me god, and these heavenly beings, are the ones who need to learn a lesson here. They made a dumb decision in sending you to Earth to undergo all these miserable struggles.

My Reply: Yes.

Other Person's Response: I heard there are mediums who can bring souls back into the realm of the light (heaven).

My Reply: But, it would just be those souls who are lingering on Earth, such as those in haunted houses. As for souls who are trapped in a miserable afterlife, I'm not sure about this one.

Other Person's Response: You say it would be cruel for souls to remain in a horrible afterlife. You'd have to feel that it's cruel in order for it to be cruel to you, right?

My Reply: Yes. That feeling would be a negative emotion. Right now, I don't feel that way. So, I'm just saying it's cruel, when it's nothing cruel for me. I don't feel this way because I'm almost to a full recovery from this worry, where I'll have my joy back to me again.

Other Person's Response: If god, and these beings, need to learn a lesson, then maybe they will, and all your suffering would make them feel very guilty and ashamed.

My Reply: Yes.

Other Person's Response: There are also pests, such as bed bugs, and mosquitoes. I think these are pointless insects to have, and they cause suffering and disease to others. This would be another example of how god created a world that has pointless suffering. There are also fatal viruses, and it would be better off if they never existed.

My Reply: I agree.

Other Person's Response: I can see why you think suffering and disease is pointless, and needs to be eliminated.

My Reply: But, there's more to this story. People, who have near death experiences, report meeting all-loving beings, who eliminate the person's diseases and suffering. Cancer patients report having their cancer spontaneously healed after their near death experience. In addition, these beings, when met, eliminate the person's negative thinking and misery, so that the person is brought back with a much more positive experience and outlook. Not only that, but people learn life lessons right then and there, and they don't need to suffer to learn them.

They learn them automatically through divine intuition/knowledge bestowed upon them. So, if these beings are doing these righteous deeds for us when we meet them in the higher realms, then why not here on Earth? Why allow so many other people to suffer on Earth, when they can be healed, too? If these beings are already eliminating our suffering and diseases, then that clearly says misery, negativity, suffering, and diseases were meant to be eliminated. Given this, why did these beings, or god, create a world where these things exist in the first place?

Other Person's Response: I, too, don't understand why these beings aren't sending their healing powers down to other suffering people here on Earth.

My Reply: Neither do I. If they can do this, then they should be doing it.

Other Person's Response: Maybe those beings are just hallucinatory, and those patients spontaneously recovered from their cancer. So, maybe, no real being has healed them of their cancer. As for the people brought back with a much more positive outlook after their near death experience, powerful trips can do that to you.

It has nothing to do with anything supernatural, or actual realms and dimensional beings. I mean, if these beings were real, then, like you said, they would be sending their healing powers to other suffering people on Earth. They just wouldn't be loving beings to allow them to suffer. If they're all-loving beings, then it makes no sense for them to not heal other suffering people on Earth. So, it makes sense to say these beings aren't real.

My Reply: You could be right.

Other Person's Response: People, who take drugs, already hallucinate. For example, someone, who takes a drug, might see his friend doing something sinister, when his friend wasn't there, doing that. A person could also see someone at a certain place, when he or she was never there. Given that people already hallucinate, why couldn't the beings and realms people witness during their trips also be a hallucination? Why do people conclude that drugs, like DMT, are a gateway to another dimension, when it could just be a hallucination?

My Reply: It could be a hallucination. I really don't know.

Other Person's Response: People, who have trips, whether they be drug induced, or induced by a near death experience, report that they've met a famous celebrity in hell. Then, other people, who go on trips, report they've met that same celebrity in heaven. Doesn't that tell you that all trips are just hallucinations? If they were real, then there'd be some consistency. There wouldn't be these contradictory reports.

My Reply: Since it's still debated, I don't know.

 

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Other Person's Response: In regards to trips, whether they're induced by drugs or near death experiences, people do hallucinate, and see people there, who weren't really there. An example would be a son who sees his mother at the beach, when she's really at her home.

My Reply: Yes. So, maybe, these trips are just hallucinations. I'm not too sure on this yet, since it's still debated among researchers as to whether they are or not.

Other Person's Response: When people go on trips to heavenly and hellish realms during their near death experience, they often report beings telling them it's not their time yet, and the people return to Earth. I don't think that's any indication of a real afterlife. To me, it sounds like a dream, where the narrative leads up to the person waking up from the dream, such as someone in the dream telling him it's time for him to return to Earth, and he wakes up from the dream right afterwards. Therefore, these trips might be hallucinations, just as how dreams are hallucinations.

My Reply: You could be right. If these trips were actual visits to other realms, then you'd think that message of "It's not your time, return to Earth" wouldn't be there right before the person is brought back to life. Instead, the person would just be roaming around in these realms, and would be spontaneously returned back to Earth, once his physical body has been resuscitated. The very fact that message, a similar message, or scene, is encountered almost every time a person nears the end of one of these trips, might mean these trips are hallucinations.

Other Person's Response: Personally, I think some of these trips are hallucinations, while others aren't. Just because there are certain aspects of some trips that seem hallucinatory, doesn't make them hallucinations. Just as how you have a real, objective reality, and hallucinations, there's also a real afterlife people visit through their trips, and trips that are just hallucinations. As for dreams, I think they're hallucinations.

My Reply: That's an interesting view.

Other Person's Response: I heard some spiritual believers claim dreams are the soul, leaving the physical body, and entering other realms. When we wake up, our souls return to our bodies.

My Reply: I'm not sure. For one, dream states aren't as lucid as waking consciousness. Even lucid dreams don't reach the level of lucidity of waking consciousness. People who say their souls leave their bodies, and enter other realms during drug trips, or trips induced by a near death experience, report that they were either in a hyper lucid state (a lucid state greater than waking consciousness), or in a lucid state that's just as lucid as waking consciousness. So, the very fact dreams are less lucid than waking consciousness might mean dreams aren't the soul, leaving the body. I know, based upon my own personal experience, that dreams aren't as lucid as waking consciousness.

I even heard online sources say the same thing. Secondly, if you were to inflict a physical injury upon the dreaming person, the person would feel that physical pain in the dream. But, the person wouldn't feel the pain during a trip to a heavenly or hellish realm. Furthermore, if some loud, banging noise were to occur while the person is dreaming, that noise would become a part of the dreaming narrative, such as someone being shot by a gun in that person's dream. But, that doesn't happen when a person has gone on some trip to a different realm through drugs, or a near death experience. So, this might mean trips are the soul, entering different realms, while dreams are just dreams.

Other Person's Response: Another example that shows how dreams are just dreams, and not journeys to other dimensions/realms is people dreaming of things they've already witnessed during their lives, such as people they've met, places they've been, etc.

My Reply: Yes. These dreams, and nightmares, happen all the time (although, things are modified/a bit different in dreams and nightmares. For example, there could've been a moment in your life where you were walking with your mother near a lake. But, the dream you had could've been that same moment, but your mother wearing different clothes).

Other Person's Response: If a person, who's known to be happy a lot, and has many happy dreams, has brain damage, which causes him to lose his happy feelings, then his dreams would also be absent of any happy feelings. If dreams were really our souls leaving our bodies, and entering other realms, then his dreams would've still had those happy feelings, since his soul would've been free of his damaged brain, and free to experience feelings of happiness. So, I think this says dreams are a neurological phenomenon, and not the soul leaving the body.

My Reply: I think you could be right.

Other Person's Response: I think it's interesting you've learned, through your own personal experience, that dreams are less lucid than waking consciousness. What other things have you learned, based upon your own personal experience?

My Reply: I've learned that positive emotions are the source of beauty, love, worth, and pride, I've learned that I'm naturally creating awesome, memorable melodies in my mind (which I talk about in my Composing Dream packet), and I've also learned, through my own personal experience of wearing these magnetic rings, that taking the rings off after having worn them for hours, creates a symptom where I still feel like the rings are on my fingers, when they're not. I've learned that this is like the phantom limb syndrome, where people who lose their legs, still feel like their legs are there, in much pain.

But, when I reminded myself that I'm no longer wearing the rings, that actually got rid of this symptom. From this, I've concluded that, maybe, our brains get in the habit of thinking our legs are there, when they're not, or thinking we're still wearing rings, when we're not. Like any other habit, you must retrain your brain by reminding yourself your legs are no longer there (if you have no legs), and you must remind yourself that you're no longer wearing rings when you take them off after having worn them for a while. Only then should you notice those phantom symptoms subsiding.

Many people don't put effort into reminding themselves, and that's why these symptoms continue. If you were, for example, in the habit of name calling someone, then you'd continue to name call that person, as long as you don't put any effort into reminding yourself not to do that. In other words, habits will continue, as long as you don't retrain your brain to cease said habits. Some habits are very powerful and, thus, require more retraining to cease them. Maybe the mysterious phantom limb syndrome is really just a strong habit our brains have of thinking our legs are there, and people who suffer from this symptom need to break this habit.

Other Person's Response: Perhaps you're learning things from your own personal experience that many people don't know about.

My Reply: Yes.

Other Person's Response: Personally, I don't see the point in all these miserable struggles you've been through, since they did nothing but destroyed your life. So, other people must be gaining a false, deceiving understanding of the point of suffering, when they encounter the Being of Light during their near death experience.

My Reply: That could be.

Other Person's Response: Some people, who have near death experiences, do retain some of the knowledge they've learned in the heavenly realm, while others forget when they arrive back on Earth, and it would be no different than someone forgetting the dream he's had. I heard the most important life lesson people learn from these heavenly trips is love.

My Reply: Yes. I heard love is indeed the most important thing to be learned. Given this, do some people forget this lesson after their near death experience? Or, are they still changed into more loving folks after their near death experience? Anyway, I do hear spiritual believers say that obtaining scientific knowledge for cures isn't that important, and that love is the most important thing to be learned. Although I do think love is important, having cures is also important.

There are people going through immense suffering, and assisted suicide has to be carried out for them. If there were cures for their ongoing, agonizing suffering or illness, then families wouldn't grieve over their suffering or illness, and there'd be no need for assisted suicide to end that person's life, since his/her suffering, or illness, would've already been cured. Another example would be my miserable struggles. So, if people are going to bring back knowledge from their near death experiences, then it should definitely be knowledge for cures, in addition to the life lessons of love they learn.

Other Person's Response: I also heard people, who have near death experiences, and go on heavenly journeys, report they've gained the understanding there's a beautiful afterlife. They learn there's no reason to grieve when loved ones die, since they're in a better, happier place. Clearly, these heavenly beings don't want us to grieve, and they want us to be happy. So, why haven't they bestowed this understanding upon other people? That would prevent them from grieving when their loved ones die.

My Reply: I agree. They could easily do that, since they're powerful beings. It seems these beings only care about us when we meet them, but don't care when we're on Earth. They allow people to suffer on Earth, but then they heal people who meet them, and bestow upon them knowledge that prevents them from suffering or grieving. Is it possible these beings can't access the Earthly realm? Maybe their powers can't reach us.

Other Person's Response: If skeptics, who aren't convinced of the supernatural and the afterlife, were to meet these beings during a near death experience, how could these beings convince them the afterlife is real?

My Reply: Because it's not the type of knowledge a person would share to you when he shows you an article on the internet regarding the afterlife and the supernatural. Skeptics would still disagree with that information. So, the beings bestow a form of knowledge upon the skeptics that convinces them. It's divine knowledge. It's simply knowing the afterlife exists without having to do any research.

Other Person's Response: I know some skeptics who have heavenly encounters during their trips. But, they're still not convinced the afterlife and god exists, no matter how profoundly beautiful of an experience it was for them.

My Reply: Yes. Some skeptics are convinced, while others still remain skeptics.

Other Person's Response: If these beings are already

 

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curing people of their cancer, then that says their powers do reach the Earthly realm. So, they should be healing other suffering people.

My Reply: They should. They could, perhaps, use their powers to settle down the chronically active stress/worry response in my brain. That would allow my positive emotions to turn back on. Or, these beings could bestow knowledge upon me that I'll be alright, and my worry would never come true. That would also rid of this active worry.

Other Person's Response: These beings should be like detectors that eliminate our suffering and disease. If a person suffers from something, such as the loss of a loved one, or cancer, that misery and cancer should immediately be detected and eliminated.

My Reply: I agree. I'd imagine higher, heavenly beings to be intelligent and all-loving. So, they should be doing this. If they did, then they could immediately detect anyone who's in mental turmoil, or suffering from an illness, and instantly heal it. For example, being in mental turmoil is negative energy that could be detected by these beings.

Other Person's Response: Maybe these beings are already aware of our suffering and turmoil, but aren't doing anything about it. So, that means they'd be aware of all those horrible experiences you've had in your life. But, they just ignored you, and allowed you to suffer through it all.

My Reply: That would make them unloving beings then.

Other Person's Response: I heard New Age spiritual believers claim that we all have our own guardian angel who helps us.

My Reply: Then why didn't my guardian angel heal me of my misery that was induced by this worry? I'm asking the angel right now to heal me of this worry that's still there, and he/she's not doing it. So, this guardian angel either doesn't care about me, or doesn't exist.

Other Person's Response: I'm quite sure the souls of many dead people wish to help and heal those in need. But, maybe, they can't help or heal you, for whatever reason. Hence the reason why no spiritual entity has ever healed you of your misery, nor this recent, troubling worry you've had.

My Reply: That could be. I heard souls are all around us, and we just can't see them. But, perhaps they can't help or heal me, for whatever reason. I admit, it would be lovely if there were spiritual forces on my side, there to help me, heal me, prevent suffering and unhappiness in my life, and give me good luck. The same idea applies to my mother because she could be having good luck on her side, which would allow her to win a lot of money.

Other Person's Response: I heard some of these souls are haunting though. That's the reason why there are haunted houses.

My Reply: Yes.

Other Person's Response: Maybe these spirits need to be contacted in order for them to help and heal us.

My Reply: I don't see why. Can't they see suffering people in need, and help them anyway? This question also applies to the guardian angel we all are supposed to have on our side. Couldn't he/she automatically heal and help us? Why would he/she need to be contacted first?

Other Person's Response: I heard, from spiritual believers, that these beings are actually all around us. We just can't see them. When we take drugs (such as DMT), we can see these beings.

My Reply: If that's true, then these beings are doing nothing for humanity. They just watch as people suffer.

Other Person's Response: Will these magnetic rings speed up your recovery process from this troubling worry?

My Reply: I'm not sure. So far, I haven't noticed that. The rings are claimed to ease stress and worry. So, hopefully, they do.

Other Person's Response: If these rings work, but stress and worry prevents them from working, then they couldn't heal your misery-inducing worry in the first place.

My Reply: That's right.

Other Person's Response: I don't think god, or these spiritual beings, can heal you of this worry, since it's your own personal, negative thinking. Therefore, you must recover from it on your own.

My Reply: There are things, such as medication and meditation, which is said to help ease worry. I heard there are other things as well. I really don't know if meditation would even work for me, and I am doubtful it would. When I sit there and listen to instructions in guided meditation videos on youtube, it does nothing for me. It doesn't ease my worry one bit. Anyway, since there are ways to ease stress and worry, then that clearly says there's a way god, and these beings, can heal me of my worry.

Other Person's Response: If these beings healed you of this worry instantly, then others would no longer be at risk because you feel violent when you have that worry.

My Reply: Yes.

Other Person's Response: There is a way to rid of this worry. But, it would be very harmful to you. You could bash your head in, which would make you forget that situation you were worried about.

My Reply: I'm not going to do that. I look for smarter solutions.

Other Person's Response: In regards to this worry your mind is stuck on, there is CBT, which helps a lot of people.

My Reply: Perhaps my therapist does specialize in CBT. So, maybe, he can help me recover from this worry faster. But, I'm not good at intellectual tasks though, and CBT is an intellectually involved task, since there are many exercises to do, many instructions to follow, and things of this nature. The same idea applies to guided meditation. My brain has a difficult time processing information, and I might have a difficult time with the instructions. My main weakness is understanding things because there are many things that are very difficult to get through to my head.

Other Person's Response: Have you shared your views to your therapist? If so, how did he respond to them?

My Reply: He treats them in a casual manner, and shows no deep concern for me. But, that doesn't mean he doesn't care about me. He's still a very kind therapist who helps me when I need help.

Other Person's Response: Does your therapist agree with your hedonistic philosophy?

My Reply: Yes, and his name is Randy Bolten.

Other Person's Response: Did you talk to your therapist about CBT, or any other method that could help ease your worry?

My Reply: I did. But, he told me the best thing I could do was wait to fully recover from this worry on my own, since I'm already doing what CBT, as well as what other therapeutic methods recommend, which would be focusing on my daily tasks, and just allowing that subconscious worry to remain there until, one day, it fades away on its own.

Other Person's Response: I don't think that's the best thing you can do. There must be things your therapist is neglecting and leaving out, which could really help ease your worry and, thus, get you to a full recovery faster than just waiting it out.

My Reply: But, I think I'd have to see a different therapist who specializes in these therapeutic methods that could help me, and that costs a lot of money. My mother doesn't have much money, since she's poor and struggling. Besides, even if my mother could afford it, no method might work for me, since these methods are demanding tasks, and I'm just no good at such tasks.

Other Person's Response: How long have you been seeing your therapist?

My Reply: I started seeing him when I had this devastating worry, since I wanted to talk to him about it, so he could help me. That would be about 3 years ago. I see him once a month, and I share everything I've written to him. He reads everything without being agitated, and he doesn't complain at all. When we meet every month, I also share to him my recovery progress. Since my mental status is slowly and gradually improving over time, that means there are small improvements every month I see him. It might only be a few months now before I'm fully recovered, and have my joy back to me.

Other Person's Response: When you met your therapist, did you display utter hopelessness and desperation to get psychological help? If not, then maybe that's why he's treating your predicament in such a casual manner, and just letting you recover on your own.

My Reply: I didn't. So, you could be right. But, as of now, I'm not feeling hopelessness. Nor am I in a serious predicament any longer. I'm simply apathetic at this point, and am waiting patiently for my positive emotions to return. You could also consider this whole recovery process I'm going through to be a progression through the 3 realms: hell, The Void, and heaven. I'm no longer in hell anymore. At this point, I'm just in The Void. I might soon enter back into heaven (the realm of the light).

Other Person's Response: In regards to those 3 realms, they certainly do exist on Earth for us. Haven't you ever heard people say "Hell on Earth" or "Heaven on Earth?"

My Reply: Yes.

Other Person's Response: Since your brain doesn't process information very fast, does that mean you do things, and say things, that make no sense?

My Reply: Yes. I also end up failing certain tasks. So, I have to spend some time to think things through before acting or speaking. Otherwise, I'd end up making the wrong move, or saying something that makes no sense. That's because my brain needs some time to process information. But, there are tasks that I have given much thought, but still fail. That's because I'm just no good at these tasks.

Other Person's Response: So, people shouldn't rush you to do something, since your brain needs some time to make sense of things first.

My Reply: Yes. There are certain things I can do immediately, such as slamming a door shut if someone told me to immediately shut that door. But, more complicated tasks require time for my brain to process. Also, I have very little knowledge and life experience, which makes complicated tasks more difficult for me to understand and make sense of.

 

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Other Person's Response: When it comes to doing tasks, you're the type of person who just acts, and doesn't think. You must think things through before you act. Otherwise, you'll end up doing the wrong things.

My Reply: That's one reason why I fail at certain tasks. But, another reason would be that I just have no clue what's going on, and what I'm supposed to be doing.

Other Person's Response: Since your brain isn't very fast at processing information, that means it takes a while for things to register in your mind, right?

My Reply: Yes.

Other Person's Response: In regards to this worry you're having, do you take medication? Medication might help ease your worry to get you to a full recovery faster.

My Reply: Yes. But, I don't notice the medication easing the worry one bit for me.

Other Person's Response: In regards to your philosophy, I think the idea is to not attach meaning to emotions. Therapy can help you with this.

My Reply: I think the idea here is for people to focus more on their emotions, so they can realize they're the experience of beauty, love, joy, hate, etc. Detaching yourself from your emotions only serves to blind you from realizing this.

Other Person's Response: It seems other people don't understand your personal experience, considering that so many people dismiss your positive emotions as trivial feelings. Hopefully, god, and these spiritual beings, will understand.

My Reply: I hope so. It seems they don't understand, considering that they've created a world for me, where positive emotions are very fleeting things.

Other Person's Response: I even heard, from spiritual believers, that, if you're living your life with much negative thoughts and worries that cause you to suffer, then that's a wasted life that serves no good purpose. I find this to be a contradiction to what spiritual believers also say, which would be that all forms of suffering serve a good purpose.

My Reply: Yes. Since these miserable struggles were just a waste of my life, then they served no good purpose.

Other Person's Response: If people bring bad karma upon themselves through their negative thoughts and beliefs, then spiritual believers act like it was their fault because they'd say: "Well, you brought it all upon yourself!" But, sometimes, the way we think and believe isn't under our power and control. For example, if someone was led to believe he's a horrible person, then he can't help believing that way. As a matter of fact, there are so many brainwashed people who can't help but think and believe certain ways. So, how can you blame them?

My Reply: Exactly. Why isn't god and the heavenly, spiritual beings enlightening these people to the real truth? Why aren't they sending down divine knowledge to them?

Other Person's Response: I think even your doubt that there's more beauty to life than positive emotions wouldn't be your fault. You've never had an experience that convinced you otherwise. So, it wouldn't be your fault that you have this doubt.

My Reply: Correct.

Other Person's Response: I think there is a way for you to obtain more beauty in your life besides your positive emotions. Your brain just needs to tap into some higher, divine consciousness, rather than just the emotional, divine consciousness.

My Reply: That could be.

Other Person's Response: I heard souls have signed a contract to come here to Earth in order to learn and grow through suffering. If they don't learn the lessons they need to learn in this lifetime, then they reincarnate so they can, hopefully, learn them in the next lifetime. Sometimes, it just doesn't work out, and the heavenly beings tear the contract, since the person isn't learning and growing.

My Reply: The fact is, these beings are all-knowing, and they can see into the future. This means they already know what's going to work for an individual, and what's not going to work. It would be absurd and pointless to have a person go through a futile learning and growing process, when these beings already know it would be futile. In which case, why even have some souls sign a contract to begin with, when it's just not going to work out for them? God, and these spiritual beings, already know it wouldn't work out. So, these souls shouldn't even be here on Earth.

Other Person's Response: If there really is more beauty and goodness to life than positive emotions, then do you think obtaining this greater form of beauty and goodness into your life would be a learning and growing process that would work for you?

My Reply: I'm not sure. It might not work out for me, and it would be no different than a field of art not working out for an individual, such as drawing. If the person continues to remain a poor drawer, even after much education and effort, then drawing just isn't working out for him. So, it would be a pointless endeavor for this person to try to become a skilled drawer.

Other Person's Response: If there's no more beauty and goodness to life than positive emotions, then it would be even more absurd and pointless to have you sign a contract, just to come to a planet filled with much misery, unhappiness, and suffering.

My Reply: I agree. Since positive emotions would be the only things that make life beautiful, then all non-hedonistic endeavors would be pointless, such as learning and growing through miserable hardships.

Other Person's Response: I heard souls come here to gain experience. A person could read about suffering. But, without the actual experience of it, then he wouldn't know what it's like. Knowing what it's like would give him compassion towards other suffering people.

My Reply: But, that experience yields a form of knowledge that can already be bestowed upon us by god, or these spiritual beings. In other words, a person doesn't have to experience any suffering to know what it's like, when such knowledge can already be granted to him. Just as how god, and these spiritual beings, already know what the suffering of others is like without having suffered themselves, we can also know what it's like without having suffered. So, again, nobody needs to go through any form of suffering, such as misery, emotional trauma, illness, etc.

Other Person's Response: That means you could already learn your life lesson of how horrible your miserable struggles were. You wouldn't need to suffer at all, and you could just have this life lesson bestowed upon you by god, or these spiritual beings.

My Reply: Yes.

Other Person's Response: I'm a spiritual believer and, even though the reality we live in does consist of mystical beings, and a heavenly, magical afterlife, that doesn't mean reality is a happy place. It does consist of much suffering, in addition to joy.

My Reply: If reality does consist of these mystical attributes, then I'd imagine reality to instead be something entirely happy and fun, like a magical Disney Land. If you're going to have a magical atmosphere, then don't ruin it for the audience by having suicidal forms of misery, or other forms of immense suffering. For example, the Fairly Odd Parents is a kid's show. It's a reality/universe of its own that consists of mystical fairies, magical atmospheres, and characters have their wishes granted. If you had suicidal forms of depression or misery in that show, then it would ruin the show for the audience. It would take away from the magical, fun atmosphere.

So, immense forms of misery and suffering like this simply don't belong in the Fairly Odd Parents universe. That means the worst form of misery and suffering a character could experience in the show would have to be something trivial, such as a character being bummed out, since he didn't get to see his favorite movie. This would allow the magical, kid-oriented atmosphere to be retained without ruining it. My point is, the miserable struggles I've had were very serious. Thus, they simply wouldn't belong in a reality where mystical beings and atmospheres exist. So, maybe, there's no such thing as mystical beings or afterlives in this reality because, if there was, then I wouldn't imagine such horrible experiences existing.

Other Person's Response: I understand why you think your miserable struggles don't belong in this reality, and how they ruin the magical adventure our souls have embarked on. We were souls in the heavenly realms who wanted to embark on beautiful adventures here on Earth, and I understand why the whole adventure no longer seems right anymore. But, reality encompasses ALL experiences, ranging from the absolute worst to the absolute best. That's very different than, say, a Sponge Bob or Fairly Odd Parents adventure, where characters are limited only to joy and trivial forms of suffering.

My Reply: I see. But, my miserable struggles were such horrible experiences that I just don't think they belong. They wouldn't even belong in a dark-toned show or movie, such as Batman. These struggles were so serious and horrible that they would even ruin shows and movies like these. My actions and expressions would certainly belong, since you see characters in Batman, acting in grief, despair, and agony. But, as for my inner experience of these miserable struggles, that wouldn't belong in the Batman universe, since it was so horrible and serious.

Thus, if I wanted a miserable experience that would fit in with the Batman universe, then it would have to be a trivial experience. But, not as trivial as what I'd have to experience in a Sponge Bob or Fairly Odd Parents universe. So, it could be a suicidal form of misery or depression, since there are characters in Batman who have these horrible experiences. But, it couldn't be as horrible as the miserable struggles I've been through.

Other Person's Response: You're saying that, when you make a show or movie, not only must the characters, their actions, and environments be suitable for said show or movie, but even the inner experience of these characters must be suitable?

 

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My Reply: Yes. If you had characters swearing in Sponge Bob, you had characters blowing the brains of other characters with guns, and you had gruesome environments, then that wouldn't belong in the Sponge Bob universe. That even applies to the inner experience of the characters. If a character experienced a suicidal form of misery, and that character needed serious, psychological help, that wouldn't belong in the Sponge Bob universe either. So, the idea would be to have characters, actions, environments, and experiences that are suitable for the Sponge Bob universe. That means the horrible experiences I've had would be unsuitable, even for a horror movie, since these experiences were far worse and serious than any cinematic horror or misery.

Other Person's Response: Spiritual believers say life is like a movie or play. You're saying that the miserable struggles you've had were so horrible, that they simply don't belong with the image of a play (such as curtains and a stage)?

My Reply: Correct. They were so horrible that it made life no longer seem like a play or movie. I admit, certain forms of tragedy and misery do belong in movies and plays. But, it gets to a certain point where the misery and suffering is so horrible that it completely ruins the image of a play, adventure, or movie.

Other Person's Response: A person can dress up as a clown, and have a very horrible, miserable experience in his life. But, because of his physical appearance, that would give a trivial impression of his inner turmoil.

My Reply: Yes. His inner turmoil just wouldn't belong with his physical appearance. That is, if his turmoil was a form of suffering so horrible that it wouldn't suit his physical appearance. But, if he was just sad, then that would belong with his physical appearance, since there are clowns that are sad.

Other Person's Response: In regards to god, he and these heavenly beings would only be beings of darkness if they had negative thoughts or beliefs making them feel negative emotions. If they just felt negative emotions without said thoughts and beliefs, then those would just be unpleasant emotions they're feeling, and nothing more. So, they wouldn't be beings of darkness in this scenario.

My Reply: Yes.

Other Person's Response: I'm a spiritual believer, and I heard god doesn't help suffering people because he's keeping guard. He protects the universe from potentially threatening entities. He can't leave his position, lest the universe be invaded by these threatening entities.

My Reply: If he's god, that means he's all-powerful, which means he can do two things at once. He can heal those who are suffering, while keeping guard at the same time. Maybe he can have a clone of himself who keeps guard, while the other clone helps and heals those who are suffering. After all, since Naruto can create clones of himself, then I don't see why god can't. Also, as a side note, Naruto is the name of an anime, and Naruto is the main character in it.

Other Person's Response: Our higher self (soul) has chosen this Earthly life because suffering and illness do serve a good purpose, even though you may not realize it. Your soul knew you'd undergo these miserable struggles before arriving on Earth, and it has chosen to go through these struggles for a good purpose. So, your higher self knows something that your ordinary self is unaware of.

My Reply: But, when I die, and my soul leaves my body, my higher self might find itself regretting having made such a dumb decision. I honestly don't think there's any good purpose in having these struggles.

Other Person's Response: If your soul has made a dumb decision in coming to Earth, given that Earth is a place filled with much suffering and unhappiness, then god, or these heavenly beings, could've prevented you from exiting the heavenly realm. That way, your soul would've remained in heaven, where you could be happy all you want.

My Reply: Yes. If they knew it was the wrong decision, then they should've prevented me from entering the Earthly realm. But, I might've not even made the decision to come to Earth in the first place. I could've been brought here against my will.

Other Person's Response: Perhaps your soul decided to come to Earth, since it wished to know the experience of suffering, given that your soul has lived a happy life in heaven for so long.

My Reply: Again, it would be a dumb decision on my part, and god, or these heavenly beings, should've prevented me from exiting heaven.

Other Person's Response: When you're fully recovered, and have your positive emotions, does that give you a positive perspective in regards to these beings, and why they allow suffering? Right now, you have a very negative perspective, and I wonder if this perspective changes when you're happy.

My Reply: Yes, it does change when I'm happy. My perspective, when I'm happy, would be that perhaps they are wise, all-loving beings, and we just don't comprehend their methods. During an emotional crisis, I have a very negative perspective, since I feel negative emotions. I see these beings as fools, or uncaring, unloving monsters for allowing me and others to suffer.

If I was apathetic (emotionless), then I just wouldn't care one way or the other. Even though I have a positive perspective when I'm happy and enjoying life, I can still question if these beings really are wise and all-loving. I can still consider the possibility that they're the foolish monsters I made them out to be during my emotional crisis.

Other Person's Response: Remember, even when you're happy, enjoying your life, and receiving god's holy light by having positive thoughts about god, that doesn't mean god is an all-loving, all-just being.

My Reply: Yes. Regardless of how I feel about god and these spiritual beings, I must consider the real truth as to whether they are all-loving, all-just beings or not.

Other Person's Response: It seems you also have a very negative perspective during an emotional crisis in regards to the notion that there's more beauty and goodness to life than positive emotions. You have the attitude of wanting to give up, that there's no more beauty and goodness to life, and you deem yourself as incapable and pitiful.

My Reply: Yes. But, when I'm happy, I do have a positive perspective in regards to this. I'd feel that perhaps there really is more beauty and goodness to life that I'm unaware of. So, I even need my positive emotions to perceive the notion of greater values as something positive. Otherwise, I have a negative perspective, or I just don't care.

Other Person's Response: You say these beings could be wise and all-loving. But, maybe they're dumb, and not all-loving.

My Reply: That could be (if they're real). Maybe they think my miserable struggles were something beautiful, when they're not. They'd be dumb not to realize just how horrible these struggles were for me, and how much they've destroyed my life. I would've, thus, been sent here on Earth to undergo a form of suffering they think is beautiful, when it's not. So, I'd be the wise one to want to remain in their heavenly afterlife after I die, and never come to Earth again. More of an Earthly life means more suffering. But, more of a heavenly afterlife means more bliss.

Other Person's Response: If heaven is where you're supposed to be, then why even bother with these immortality rings? They'd just prolong your life here on Earth, and you said you didn't want to live an Earthly life.

My Reply: Well, I don't know if the afterlife exists. This could be the only life I have. I wouldn't want to die, and that's it. So, it's better to be safe than sorry, and live a long, Earthly life. Even though it's a life that consists of much suffering and unhappiness, there's still some happiness I can get out of it. After all, I lived a fully happy life when I was younger. I lived that way for many years. Now that these miserable struggles are done and over with, I'll go back to living that happy life again.

I'll definitely live that way again, as long as something else doesn't take away my positive emotions, such as a mental illness, brain damage, etc. I wouldn't be miserable or angry if that happened to me. I'd just be without my positive emotions. Remember, my goal now is to keep my thoughts healthy. So, if I do lose my positive emotions, I'm not going to make myself feel miserable about it by having a miserable thought. Instead, I'd just hopefully find a way to restore my positive emotions.

Other Person's Response: If you were to meet these heavenly beings, do you think they'd treat you with a kind, loving attitude?

My Reply: If they really are all-loving beings, then they would. I don't think an all-loving being would call me pathetic, and look down upon me as inferior.

Other Person's Response: You see fault with god, or these spiritual beings, considering how much suffering and unhappiness there is in the world. I think the fault is with you.

My Reply: I don't think so.

Other Person's Response: So, anything that doesn't meet your standards is something you see fault in?

My Reply: Yes. If something didn't meet someone else's standards, then that person would see fault with that thing, too.

Other Person's Response: I personally think life is to be played out like a movie, and not to be questioned.

My Reply: I'm not some mindless machine who doesn't question why there's suffering. That part of me that questions this would be dismissed by you, and any spiritual being, who tells me to just live my life like a movie. I realize the better alternative that was there all along (to create a utopia life for us all), and I don't think that's something to dismiss.

Other Person's Response: I'm just curious. After we die, do we go to heaven, or do we reincarnate?

My Reply: If the soul and afterlife do exist, then we might reincarnate. I hear many people say we reincarnate. There's much claimed evidence by researchers of children reporting past lives.

Other Person's Response: If you do reincarnate, I'm quite sure you wouldn't want to reincarnate into another life filled with misery, unhappiness, and suffering.

My Reply: Correct. It would be cruel and unjust.