Almost a Quarter of Men in Parts of Asia Admit to Rape

[Sunstone]

BBC report.

What do you make of this?

I found it interesting that a sense of "sexual entitlement" was the number one reason given by the men for raping women. Followed by boredom in second place.

 

[Pegg]

that rape is hugely under reported and underestimated.

 

[Curious George]

that rape is hugely under reported and underestimated.

That is likely true, but If nothing else It gives us a picture of how horrible the situation is and further demonstrates feeling of sexual entitlement and objectification.

 

[Pegg]

That is likely true, but If nothing else It gives us a picture of how horrible the situation is and further demonstrates feeling of sexual entitlement and objectification.

yes, the situation is far worse then we are led to believe.

And this is why its so sad to me that women help to perpetuate this situation by making themselves available to industries such as the pornography and modelling industries, who promote the objectification of all women.

And young women like like Mylie Cyrus thinks 'Twerking' will make her cool! and other women in the music and media industries think they are 'freeing' women from objectification by taking their clothes off!

All they do is perpetuate and feed the cycle of the sexualization of women.

 

[Curious George]

BBC report.

What do you make of this?

I found it interesting that a sense of "sexual entitlement" was the number one reason given by the men for raping women. Followed by boredom in second place.

I make that we should be more focused on fixing problems such as these. Often we occupy ourselves with minimal impact issues, yet there are plenty of real world problems. Issues, such as rape, certainly puts the de minimus issues in perspective.

 

[Curious George]

yes, the situation is far worse then we are led to believe.

And this is why its so sad to me that women help to perpetuate this situation by making themselves available to industries such as the pornography and modelling industries, who promote the objectification of all women.

And young women like like Mylie Cyrus thinks 'Twerking' will make her cool! and other women in the music and media industries think they are 'freeing' women from objectification by taking their clothes off!

All they do is perpetuate and feed the cycle of the sexualization of women.

While I see merit in much that you say, I think that sexually repressive cultures that deny women and girls sexuality also contribute to the problem. Painting women as delicate flowers and men as lustful monsters teaches men that is is okay to act like lustful monsters and confuses women to their own sexual identity. Women owning their sexuality can serve a very powerful tool in combating rape.

 

[InformedIgnorance]

What is more interesting to me is "one in 10 men admitted raping a woman who was not their partner" (so after excising the component that relates to partners and thus different expectations of right to sex with their partner, an admittedly very problematic issue but one that is closely linked with the idea of sexual entitlement). One in ten? Seriously? That is messed up.

Now can anyone spot the problem here:

Men who had themselves suffered violence as children, especially childhood sexual abuse were more likely to have committed rape.
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"The challenge now is to turn evidence into action, to create a safer future for the next generation of women and girls."

 

[Pegg]

While I see merit in much that you say, I think that sexually repressive cultures that deny women and girls sexuality also contribute to the problem. Painting women as delicate flowers and men as lustful monsters teaches men that is is okay to act like lustful monsters and confuses women to their own sexual identity. Women owning their sexuality can serve a very powerful tool in combating rape.

the western world has taken this view, and for the past 50 odd years, the sexual violence in western society has not improved.

If the sexual 'liberation' of women was actually 'real', then surely it should be reflected in society by the way it behaves toward women. But that facts do not support such a view.

I would love to believe that sexual 'liberation' has solved the problem of the objectification of women, but the reality is far from convincing.

 

[InformedIgnorance]

The west has espoused that view, not actually adopted it.

 

[DallasApple]

Well..I think if 1 in 4 women are raped within their lifetime it would make sense that 25 % of men admit to rape.What surprises me is that they admit it.And give likely true reasons such as they feel intitled or they are "bored" rather than "I thought she wanted it " or "blurred lines"..

 

[Pegg]

The west has espoused that view, not actually adopted it.

and sadly many believe that its a reality

They think that they can walk down the street with minimal clothing on and it makes them, somehow, liberated and free.

They believe that its empowering for a woman to be able to say yes to pornography and be graphically displayed because, hey lets face it, she's earning lots of money doing 'what she loves' (excuse me while i vomit)

 

[Curious George]

the western world has taken this view, and for the past 50 odd years, the sexual violence in western society has not improved.

If the sexual 'liberation' of women was actually 'real', then surely it should be reflected in society by the way it behaves toward women. But that facts do not support such a view.

I would love to believe that sexual 'liberation' has solved the problem of the objectification of women, but the reality is far from convincing.

Yet the limited "sexual liberation" that has occurred has made strides. 60 years ago it was legal to rape your wife.

While you may feel that we have had a 50 years of sexual liberation, I disagree. I think that we have continued to objectify, **** shame, and deny women sexuality. We have made progress but not much. I do not necessarily think that any of what you mentioned as negatives are necessarily steps toward women claiming their sexuality, Though I am sure arguments can be made. I do, however, believe that actual steps toward women claiming their sexuality will certainly contribute to less rape. Examples of actual steps would be women honestly accepting and embracing their sexual feelings, Mothers talking with their daughters about sex, and sex ed in schools to name of few examples.

 

[Pegg]

Yet the limited "sexual liberation" that has occurred has made strides. 60 years ago it was legal to rape your wife.

While you may feel that we have had a 50 years of sexual liberation, I disagree. I think that we have continued to objectify, **** shame, and deny women sexuality. We have made progress but not much. I do not necessarily think that any of what you mentioned as negatives are necessarily steps toward women claiming their sexuality, Though I am sure arguments can be made. I do, however, believe that actual steps toward women claiming their sexuality will certainly contribute to less rape. Examples of actual steps would be women honestly accepting and embracing their sexual feelings, Mothers talking with their daughters about sex, and sex ed in schools to name of few examples.

i think you misunderstood me.

Im saying that what society calls 'sexual liberation' is actually NOT a liberation at all. Rather it perpetuates the cycle of sexualisation....only now its woman who are sexualising themselves!

 

[DallasApple]

They think that they can walk down the street with minimal clothing on and it makes them, somehow, liberated and free.

What I think? We will NEVER be liberated and "free".We will always have to learn a special fighting skill to defend ourselves, look over our shoulders and be prepared to fight.NOT because we are in some sort of war..but just because we are females. Miminal clothing or not.

 

[DallasApple]

UNTIL the majority of the world believes a woman is not on earth for a mans entitlement.Which sadly is still a rampant belief.

 

[InformedIgnorance]

All people must look over their shoulder, need to be able to fight or flee - not based on gender but because there are people (men and women) out there who like to victimize other people (men and women).

It has nothing to do with your gender or theirs; and to be honest it is not particularly helpful to focus on either one of those; in being a victim there is true gender equality, as there is in being an offender and this equality is one we should not be so quick to overlook or dismiss.

edited to remove the second person references

 

[Pegg]

What I think? We will NEVER be liberated and "free".We will always have to learn a special fighting skill to defend ourselves, look over our shoulders and be prepared to fight.NOT because we are in some sort of war..but just because we are females. Miminal clothing or not.

We only have such a need to protect ourselves because there are a lot of men around who seek to abuse females.

But not all men think that way. Not all men allow themselves to be sexual deviates. And the real solution is to remove anyone (male or female) who has the wrong view of sexuality and refuses to change it. Remove the trouble makers and the problem is gone, correct?

 

[LuisDantas]

Sometimes I wonder how common rape actually is, and how easy to delimitate. As pointed out above, it isn't until very recently that it was acknowledged that a husband has no right to rape his own wife. Previously it was considered to be the expression of a right and therefore "by definition" not rape.

And then we have situations such as intentional intoxication.

 

[DallasApple]

All people must look over their shoulder, need to be able to fight or flee - not based on gender but because there are people (men and women) out there who like to victimize other people (men and women).

Women specifically have to look over their shoulder and yes for specifically to avoid rape.You have your head burried in the sand if you don't realize that.

 

[DallasApple]

Sometimes I wonder how common rape actually is, and how easy to delimitate. As pointed out above, it isn't until very recently that it was acknowledged that a husband has no right to rape his own wife. Previously it was considered to be the expression of a right and therefore "by definition" not rape.

And then we have situations such as intentional intoxication.

I think its pretty common ..AND accepted...(or has been)

We were (not you and I specifically) talking about Gone With the Wind..check out this scene..

He says this is one night you are not turning me out..of course the next morning she looks pleased.

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Gone with the Wind-Rhett carrying Scarlett up stairs.avi - YouTube