Always surprised when an atheist says this:

[Kfox]

Yeah, if we are never to meet or even interact, what for and why care?

Finally; we agree.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Did I ever disagree?

 

[Kfox]

Did I ever disagree?

Your post #24 gave me the impression that you disagreed with me.

 

[Aupmanyav]

We do not know the number of 'us'es in the universe. There could be billions of them in the reported 2 trillion galaxies, unable to interconnect, living in their own closed worlds like us.

Your post #24 gave me the impression that you disagreed with me.

I have never denied the possible existence of aliens who may even be like humans and at our level of development. It is a vast universe. Perhaps they too are searching for us. But we are never going to encounter them except in sci-fi.

 

[Kfox]

I have never denied the possible existence of aliens who may even be like humans and at our level of development. It is a vast universe. Perhaps they too are searching for us. But we are never going to encounter them except in sci-fi.

That had nothing to do with the conversation; my point was that we don't care if non humans (or them) do not find us important.

 

[rational experiences]

If all the universe was put together in one body it might not be as huge as you think....thinking no space in between.

The creator was explained to me and it seemed logical.

Existing always but had one variable. A language spirit not the same as the intelligent being. So it owned presence of two types without an answer.

So it was held to view where and why it came and then had existed. Then went.

Choice the condition to change. You can only own choice if a status is different first.

Holding an investigation in a fixed body O. Then exploded. Part of an original body changed. Just a portion.

I say we act accordingly to the first purpose ourselves.

 

[ChieftheCef]

I've noticed a certain view of the cosmos in the atheists I've talked to. It goes something like: "The universe is so big, so who are we to think we matter?" Or: "I feel so small in this vast universe."

These thoughts are alien to me (a theist). I feel just the opposite.

Well, yeah, yoiu have seems innocuous delusions of grandeur.

So I wonder if this feeling is the basis for the atheist/theist mindset/divide?

What's that?

And therefore we can stop fighting each other and just understand each other (although I suppose the 'fight' would be on again if it could be shown that -- in the majority of cases -- the reason one feels one way or the other is because of early [childhood] religious [or lack of religious] education-- I had an early religious education).

Huh?

Also, I'd to know if you have encountered similar views in the atheists (or theists) you've talked to?

Also, have you ever met an atheist who doesn't have the above feelings ('not mattering' and 'smallness in the vastness') and is still an atheist; and conversely, have you ever met a theist who feels these feelings and is still a theist.

Also, do you think these feelings of 'not mattering' and 'smallness in the vastness' applies to the majority of agnostics also?

That applies to people who believe in science, it has nothing to do with Atheism.

PS. Yes, the vastness of the cosmos only CONTRIBUTES to my sense of a personal God (one who sees and knows and cares about me)... I can't say the same for my increasing awareness as I get older of the cruelty of the cosmos. That remains for me the one thing that allows me to have a fellow feeling with atheists/agnostics, but it couldn't drive me totally away from God because I would still always have that sense of a personal God... in fact, now that I think about it, the cruelty of the cosmos may even deepen my relationship with God

 

[We Never Know]

I've noticed a certain view of the cosmos in the atheists I've talked to. It goes something like: "The universe is so big, so who are we to think we matter?" Or: "I feel so small in this vast universe."

These thoughts are alien to me (a theist). I feel just the opposite.

So I wonder if this feeling is the basis for the atheist/theist mindset/divide? And therefore we can stop fighting each other and just understand each other (although I suppose the 'fight' would be on again if it could be shown that -- in the majority of cases -- the reason one feels one way or the other is because of early [childhood] religious [or lack of religious] education-- I had an early religious education).

Also, I'd to know if you have encountered similar views in the atheists (or theists) you've talked to?

Also, have you ever met an atheist who doesn't have the above feelings ('not mattering' and 'smallness in the vastness') and is still an atheist; and conversely, have you ever met a theist who feels these feelings and is still a theist.

Also, do you think these feelings of 'not mattering' and 'smallness in the vastness' applies to the majority of agnostics also?

PS. Yes, the vastness of the cosmos only CONTRIBUTES to my sense of a personal God (one who sees and knows and cares about me)... I can't say the same for my increasing awareness as I get older of the cruelty of the cosmos. That remains for me the one thing that allows me to have a fellow feeling with atheists/agnostics, but it couldn't drive me totally away from God because I would still always have that sense of a personal God... in fact, now that I think about it, the cruelty of the cosmos may even deepen my relationship with God

We are just a tiny speck of sand on the universal beach