Patrick Miron
Patrick4Jesus
Am I a Christian?
Discussion in 'Religions Q&A' started by SerenelyBlue,
[1] I don't believe in Noah and the Ark. [2] I see adam and eve in the garden as symbolism.[3] I have trouble believing that God gave moses tablets and [4] the exodus out of egypt is suspect. [5] I believe God came in the form of Jesus to suffer for our sins and to make us spiritually anew and we will one day be one with groom Christ in Holy union. [6] The body of Christ. [7] There is no Hell. [8] Those that don't have the Holy Spirit living in them simply die. [9] I believe the scritures are imperfect renditions by people that God uses to instruct us.
[10]Am I a Christian?
I have added identification numbers to your POST to identify & address the ten points you raise.
Blue I will take your post seriously; thus a lengthy reply is inevitable; so I trust that the effort I shall make on your behalf will be read in full. Each of the points you raise could be a separate topic of discussion. You may wish to read each point separately; but that’s up to you.
The Topic Heading:
If you are sacramentally Baptized & If you believe in Jesus Christ as GOD; then by strict-definition at least you are a “Christian”; although a nominal one.
Permit me then to address each of the points YOU find to be incredulous which I have numbered for the sake of reference.
Before we delve into your points if disagreement, it seems prudent to do a brief review of God’s Role in His Bible’s existence.
2 Tim. 3: 16-17 “[16] All scripture, {is} inspired of God, {and} is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice, [17] That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work.”
DOUAY Bible Commentary: [16] "All scripture,": Every part of divine scripture is certainly profitable for all these ends. But, if we would have the whole rule of Christian faith and practice, we must not be content with those Scriptures, which Timothy knew from his infancy, that is, with the Old Testament alone: nor yet with the New Testament, without taking along with it the traditions of the apostles, and the interpretation of the church, to which the apostles delivered both the book, and the true meaning of it.
Psalm 30: 5 “[5] Every word of God is fire tried: he is a buckler to them that hope in him.” Douay: [5] "Is fire tried": That is, most pure, like gold purified by fire
Lk. 4: 4 “[4] And Jesus answered him: It is written, that Man liveth not by bread alone, but by every word of God”
Now my new friend I would like to share a few bible realities with you.
1 Everything that is in God’s Bible is there because God the Holy Spirit desired that it be included; hence nothing in the bible is to be considered frivolous; or unnecessary. {Everything has at least a moral story implications.}
2 Everything in the bible is true BUT not necessary factual or literal.
3 NO SINGLE VERSE, PASSAGE, OR TEACHING HAS THE POWER; THAT IS THE AUTHORITY TO OVERRIDE, INVALIDATE, OR MAKE VOID; ANOTHER VERSE, PASSAGE OF TEACHING. Were such to be even a possibility {ITS NOT}, it would render the entire bible as worthless to teach or learn God’s Will for His humanity. {Isaiah 43: verses 7 & 21.}
4 In life and in death; God is always in charge; whether we know it, agree to it or even like it. It’s termed “Divine Providence” theologically.
5 The Old Testament leads to the New Testament, which Jesus completes and perfects.
[1] I Don’t Believe in Noah’s ark:
A few general points:
Point #1 This story is in the bible for a reason: WHAT THEN IS THE REASON?
This is a recounting of yet another failing of God’s Creation, made in His Image. Satan and the other fallen angels; then Adan and Eve {which we will discuss}; and now very-many of their descendants. It is to be note that each of them were created by GOD in His very Image {Gen. 1: 26-27} ….. Possessing the attributes necessary to be Rational Beings, as is God.
There is ungoing debate about whether Noah and the Ark are real. Below are 3 sites you can review and a fuller understanding of this issue.
[1 ] https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/806755/Noah-s-Ark-discovered-Bible-archaeology
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah's_Ark
[3] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/evidence-for-a-flood-102813115/
From the Douay Bible Commentary: Genesis chapters 6 & 7
2 "The sons of God"... The descendants of Seth and Enos are here called sons of God from their religion and piety: whereas the ungodly race of Cain, who by their carnal affections lay grovelling upon the earth, are called the children of men. The unhappy consequence of the former marrying with the latter, ought to be a warning to Christians to be very circumspect in their marriages; and not to suffer themselves to be determined in their choice by their carnal passion, to the prejudice of virtue or religion.
3 "His days shall be"... The meaning is, that man's days, which before the flood were usually 900 years, should now be reduced to 120 years. Or rather, that God would allow men this term of 120 years, for their repentance and conversion, before he would send the deluge.
4 "Giants"... It is likely the generality of men before the flood were of a gigantic stature in comparison with what men now are. But these here spoken of are called giants, as being not only tall in stature, but violent and savage in their dispositions, and mere monsters of cruelty and lust.
6 It repented him that he had made man on the earth. And being touched inwardly with sorrow of heart, 7 He said: I will destroy man, whom I have created, from the face of the earth, from man even to beasts, from the creeping thing even to the fowls of the air, for it repenteth me that I have made them. 8 But Noe found grace before the Lord. 9 These are the generations of Noe: Noe was a just and perfect man in his generations, he walked with God. 10 And he begot three sons, Sem, Cham, and Japheth.
6 "It repented him"... God, who is unchangeable, is not capable of repentance, grief, or any other passion. But these expressions are used to declare the enormity of the sins of men, which was so provoking as to determine their Creator to destroy these his creatures, whom before he had so much favoured.
11 “And the earth was corrupted before God, and was filled with iniquity. 12 And when God had seen that the earth was corrupted (for all flesh had corrupted its way upon the earth,) 13 He said to Noe: The end of all flesh is come before me, the earth is filled with iniquity through them, and I will destroy them with the earth. 14 Make thee an ark of timber planks: thou shalt make little rooms in the ark, and thou shalt pitch it within and without. 15 And thus shalt thou make it: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits: the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.”
God certainly has the Moral right to do what is claimed; even IF {??} it did not take place precisely as shared. Actions Do; actions MUST have consequences. And God also has the Power, the authority to do whatever Divine Justice demands.
This story is an early indication of heaven {Noah and his sons} and Hell: everyone else. Now reread Mt. 7: 13-27
see pt 2
The Moral lesson is that SIN will be punished! Yet so long as we LIVE, God is and can be Merciful. Take note that this moral story ends on a positive note; Yahweh giving humanity yet another opportunity to fulfill the precise reason for our existence. {Isa. 43: 7 & 21}
End Pt 1 of 9
Discussion in 'Religions Q&A' started by SerenelyBlue,
[1] I don't believe in Noah and the Ark. [2] I see adam and eve in the garden as symbolism.[3] I have trouble believing that God gave moses tablets and [4] the exodus out of egypt is suspect. [5] I believe God came in the form of Jesus to suffer for our sins and to make us spiritually anew and we will one day be one with groom Christ in Holy union. [6] The body of Christ. [7] There is no Hell. [8] Those that don't have the Holy Spirit living in them simply die. [9] I believe the scritures are imperfect renditions by people that God uses to instruct us.
[10]Am I a Christian?
I have added identification numbers to your POST to identify & address the ten points you raise.
Blue I will take your post seriously; thus a lengthy reply is inevitable; so I trust that the effort I shall make on your behalf will be read in full. Each of the points you raise could be a separate topic of discussion. You may wish to read each point separately; but that’s up to you.
The Topic Heading:
If you are sacramentally Baptized & If you believe in Jesus Christ as GOD; then by strict-definition at least you are a “Christian”; although a nominal one.
Permit me then to address each of the points YOU find to be incredulous which I have numbered for the sake of reference.
Before we delve into your points if disagreement, it seems prudent to do a brief review of God’s Role in His Bible’s existence.
2 Tim. 3: 16-17 “[16] All scripture, {is} inspired of God, {and} is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice, [17] That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work.”
DOUAY Bible Commentary: [16] "All scripture,": Every part of divine scripture is certainly profitable for all these ends. But, if we would have the whole rule of Christian faith and practice, we must not be content with those Scriptures, which Timothy knew from his infancy, that is, with the Old Testament alone: nor yet with the New Testament, without taking along with it the traditions of the apostles, and the interpretation of the church, to which the apostles delivered both the book, and the true meaning of it.
Psalm 30: 5 “[5] Every word of God is fire tried: he is a buckler to them that hope in him.” Douay: [5] "Is fire tried": That is, most pure, like gold purified by fire
Lk. 4: 4 “[4] And Jesus answered him: It is written, that Man liveth not by bread alone, but by every word of God”
Now my new friend I would like to share a few bible realities with you.
1 Everything that is in God’s Bible is there because God the Holy Spirit desired that it be included; hence nothing in the bible is to be considered frivolous; or unnecessary. {Everything has at least a moral story implications.}
2 Everything in the bible is true BUT not necessary factual or literal.
3 NO SINGLE VERSE, PASSAGE, OR TEACHING HAS THE POWER; THAT IS THE AUTHORITY TO OVERRIDE, INVALIDATE, OR MAKE VOID; ANOTHER VERSE, PASSAGE OF TEACHING. Were such to be even a possibility {ITS NOT}, it would render the entire bible as worthless to teach or learn God’s Will for His humanity. {Isaiah 43: verses 7 & 21.}
4 In life and in death; God is always in charge; whether we know it, agree to it or even like it. It’s termed “Divine Providence” theologically.
5 The Old Testament leads to the New Testament, which Jesus completes and perfects.
[1] I Don’t Believe in Noah’s ark:
A few general points:
Point #1 This story is in the bible for a reason: WHAT THEN IS THE REASON?
This is a recounting of yet another failing of God’s Creation, made in His Image. Satan and the other fallen angels; then Adan and Eve {which we will discuss}; and now very-many of their descendants. It is to be note that each of them were created by GOD in His very Image {Gen. 1: 26-27} ….. Possessing the attributes necessary to be Rational Beings, as is God.
There is ungoing debate about whether Noah and the Ark are real. Below are 3 sites you can review and a fuller understanding of this issue.
[1 ] https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/806755/Noah-s-Ark-discovered-Bible-archaeology
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah's_Ark
[3] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/evidence-for-a-flood-102813115/
From the Douay Bible Commentary: Genesis chapters 6 & 7
2 "The sons of God"... The descendants of Seth and Enos are here called sons of God from their religion and piety: whereas the ungodly race of Cain, who by their carnal affections lay grovelling upon the earth, are called the children of men. The unhappy consequence of the former marrying with the latter, ought to be a warning to Christians to be very circumspect in their marriages; and not to suffer themselves to be determined in their choice by their carnal passion, to the prejudice of virtue or religion.
3 "His days shall be"... The meaning is, that man's days, which before the flood were usually 900 years, should now be reduced to 120 years. Or rather, that God would allow men this term of 120 years, for their repentance and conversion, before he would send the deluge.
4 "Giants"... It is likely the generality of men before the flood were of a gigantic stature in comparison with what men now are. But these here spoken of are called giants, as being not only tall in stature, but violent and savage in their dispositions, and mere monsters of cruelty and lust.
6 It repented him that he had made man on the earth. And being touched inwardly with sorrow of heart, 7 He said: I will destroy man, whom I have created, from the face of the earth, from man even to beasts, from the creeping thing even to the fowls of the air, for it repenteth me that I have made them. 8 But Noe found grace before the Lord. 9 These are the generations of Noe: Noe was a just and perfect man in his generations, he walked with God. 10 And he begot three sons, Sem, Cham, and Japheth.
6 "It repented him"... God, who is unchangeable, is not capable of repentance, grief, or any other passion. But these expressions are used to declare the enormity of the sins of men, which was so provoking as to determine their Creator to destroy these his creatures, whom before he had so much favoured.
11 “And the earth was corrupted before God, and was filled with iniquity. 12 And when God had seen that the earth was corrupted (for all flesh had corrupted its way upon the earth,) 13 He said to Noe: The end of all flesh is come before me, the earth is filled with iniquity through them, and I will destroy them with the earth. 14 Make thee an ark of timber planks: thou shalt make little rooms in the ark, and thou shalt pitch it within and without. 15 And thus shalt thou make it: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits: the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.”
God certainly has the Moral right to do what is claimed; even IF {??} it did not take place precisely as shared. Actions Do; actions MUST have consequences. And God also has the Power, the authority to do whatever Divine Justice demands.
This story is an early indication of heaven {Noah and his sons} and Hell: everyone else. Now reread Mt. 7: 13-27
see pt 2
The Moral lesson is that SIN will be punished! Yet so long as we LIVE, God is and can be Merciful. Take note that this moral story ends on a positive note; Yahweh giving humanity yet another opportunity to fulfill the precise reason for our existence. {Isa. 43: 7 & 21}
End Pt 1 of 9
