Patrick Miron
Patrick4Jesus
Pt 2 of 9
Point #[2] Adam and Eve {Here my new friend here it seems to me that your attempting to “walk on water.” That is to have your views supersede and override God’s.
Answer this question:
If humanity did not come from “Adam and Eve” {if not Created by God}; then just HOW did humanity come into existence? Please read on.
Their names many have been Sam and Gloria; but the story not only is true; but both logically and morally, it HAS to be true, or we {humanity} would not be here to talk about it. There are however some critically important How’s & Why’s to be answered.
Genesis 1: 26-27 “[26] And he said: Let us make man to our image and likeness: and let him have dominion over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and the beasts, and the whole earth, and every creeping creature that moveth upon the earth. [27] And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them.
1 We are taught in the above passages that humanity {alone and exclusively}, were created in the very image of our GOD! BUT John 4: 23-24 tells us that GOD is a “Spirit.” Jn. 4:23-24 “. [23]But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true adorers shall adore the Father in spirit and in truth. For the Father also seeketh such to adore him. [24] God is a spirit; and they that adore him, must adore him in spirit and in truth.”
So how then does man {humanity}, physical and mortal emulate GOD who is a Spirit and immortal?
The Universe that God Created {a term with a definition of: “to make something out of nothing”, consist of BILLIONS of stars, galaxies and planets. Yet only one of them; Planet Earth can be scientifically proved to be able to sustain life forms.
Planet earth, with its many MILLIONS of living things has only one; only one thing that is Rational; humanity. Now to be “rational” requires a mind {not meaning our brain here}, an intellect {not meaning ones “I.Q” here}, and a Freewill. Each of these similar to God are “spiritual realities.” They also like God are immortal {cannot be killed, & never die ...Jesus died in his human nature.}
Now lets go back to see how we are told that GOD “created” the universe:
Genesis 1: 3, 9 [3] And God said: Be light made. And light was made; . [9] God also said: Let the waters that are under the heaven, be gathered together into one place: and let the dry land appear. And it was so done.”
These two passages teach us that God “Willed” the universe into existence; and did not physically do it. Thus the “Seven day’s” could have been seven seconds, 7 months, 7 years, or 7,000 years??? We don’t know; no one was there to record it. Nor is this fact important. However a side note here:
Numbers in the Bible have a sorta life of their own and have teaching meanings beyond the numerical understanding that WE have today. The number “7” for example means: “full, complete and perfect.” AND THAT is the significance of the “seven days.” It was “perfect.” Gen. 1: 31 “[31] And God saw all the things that he had made, and they were very good. And the evening and morning were the sixth day.”
Let’s now see how this differs from what GOD choose to do in Creating humanity.
Genesis 2: 6-7 [6] “But a spring rose out of the earth, watering all the surface of the earth. [7] And the Lord God formed man of the slime of the earth: and breathed into his face the breath of life, and man became a living soul. “
In the entire universe; humanity is the ONLY THING: that is {1] made out of something & [2] has a “living {immortal} Soul. {**}
For our discussion a “soul” is that which animates Life in all living things. Just as there is a hierarchy of merit in the animal kingdom; so to there is a hierarchy of merit and complexity in “souls.” Humanities Soul is exclusively Rational and immortal in emulation of the GOD that Created and the God that sustains our lives; It is God who grants life, and it is God who takes and demands Life back; both on His terms.
Genesis 3: 19 “[19] In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread till thou return to the earth, out of which thou wast taken: for dust thou art, and into dust thou shalt return. {This after the Fall of Adam & Eve {or whatever their name was.}
Briefly the lessons of the Fall of Adam though Eve can be summed up in the expression that this is a story of “Love failed.”
FACTS:
[1] God choose to create Adam first, not making Adam {man} superior; BUT making Adam {man} nevertheless responsible for Eve’s {womans} wellbeing and care. Gen. 2: 21-25
By God’s design: men were to take care and provide for the women in their lives; thus Adam was charged by God to protect Eve. … Being 74 I recall when this was the NORM here in America.
The garden had a single gate:
Adam was the “Gate Keeper” Gen. 2: 15 of the single point of entry {and READ: Mt. 7:12-15}, so it was his responsibility to allow no evil access into it.
[2] BEFORE THE FALL: the “Garden of Eden;” “the paradise of pleasure” Gen. 2:8} It was GODS intent to grant humanity a literally “perfect” existence with not one single “want” missing {***}. There was to be no sickness or death, work was a pleasure not a point of strife; and there were zillions of fruit trees always in season; as God foresaw every real need and provided for it.
[3] For the record: “the serpent” according to modern exergies was very likely not a “snake.” Rather is was some hideous MONSTER!
WHY and HOW do they make this conclusion?
Gen. 2: 19 tells us that: “[19] And the Lord God having formed out of the ground all the beasts of the earth, and all the fowls of the air, {each and every one with a mortal soul} brought them to Adam to see what he would call them: for whatsoever Adam called any living creature the same is its name.”
So Adam having named all of God’s “creatures” would have been “LORD” over them: Gen. 1: [28] And God blessed them, saying: Increase and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and all living creatures that move upon the earth”
[4] Then the “Failed Love”
Adam had insufficient trust in God: LOVE FAILED
Adam did not protect either Eve or the Gardens gate: LOVE FAILED
Adam permitted the evil Monster entrance into the Garden: LOVE FAILED
Adam did not even try to prevent Even from eating the “apple” {WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN ANY KIND OF FRUITTREE} OF WHICH THERE WERE ZILLIONS JUST LIKE IT IN THE GARDEN, SO THIS WAS A TEST BY GOD: LOVE FAILED
Adam could have refused the forbidden fruit offered to him by Eve: LOVE FAILED
Now go back and replace the word “love” with the word “FAITH.” Despite superabundant grace offered to Adam to help him to “man-up”; Adan declined God’s offer of grace and THAT was the ORIGIBAL SIN! Not trusting God.
WHY did Adam do this?
Likely Fear of what the Monster would do to HIM {not them} was a factor; but even more importantly; the Monster sold them on the same sin HE failed God with: that being wanting to be exactly LIKE GOD:
Genesis 3: 1-5 “[1] now the serpent was more subtle than any of the beasts of the earth which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman: Why hath God commanded you that you should not eat of every tree of paradise? [2] And the woman answered him, saying: Of the fruit of the trees that are in paradise we do eat: [3] But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of paradise, God hath commanded us that we should not eat; and that we should not touch it, lest perhaps we die. [4] And the serpent said to the woman: No, you shall not die the death [5] For God doth know that in what day soever you shall eat thereof, your eyes shall be opened: and you shall be as Gods, knowing good and evil”
Verse #4 here is speaking of Eternal Hell, which Satan himself caused by the same sin, and was living in.
End Pt 2 of 9
God's Peace,
Patrick
Point #[2] Adam and Eve {Here my new friend here it seems to me that your attempting to “walk on water.” That is to have your views supersede and override God’s.
Answer this question:
If humanity did not come from “Adam and Eve” {if not Created by God}; then just HOW did humanity come into existence? Please read on.
Their names many have been Sam and Gloria; but the story not only is true; but both logically and morally, it HAS to be true, or we {humanity} would not be here to talk about it. There are however some critically important How’s & Why’s to be answered.
Genesis 1: 26-27 “[26] And he said: Let us make man to our image and likeness: and let him have dominion over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and the beasts, and the whole earth, and every creeping creature that moveth upon the earth. [27] And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them.
1 We are taught in the above passages that humanity {alone and exclusively}, were created in the very image of our GOD! BUT John 4: 23-24 tells us that GOD is a “Spirit.” Jn. 4:23-24 “. [23]But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true adorers shall adore the Father in spirit and in truth. For the Father also seeketh such to adore him. [24] God is a spirit; and they that adore him, must adore him in spirit and in truth.”
So how then does man {humanity}, physical and mortal emulate GOD who is a Spirit and immortal?
The Universe that God Created {a term with a definition of: “to make something out of nothing”, consist of BILLIONS of stars, galaxies and planets. Yet only one of them; Planet Earth can be scientifically proved to be able to sustain life forms.
Planet earth, with its many MILLIONS of living things has only one; only one thing that is Rational; humanity. Now to be “rational” requires a mind {not meaning our brain here}, an intellect {not meaning ones “I.Q” here}, and a Freewill. Each of these similar to God are “spiritual realities.” They also like God are immortal {cannot be killed, & never die ...Jesus died in his human nature.}
Now lets go back to see how we are told that GOD “created” the universe:
Genesis 1: 3, 9 [3] And God said: Be light made. And light was made; . [9] God also said: Let the waters that are under the heaven, be gathered together into one place: and let the dry land appear. And it was so done.”
These two passages teach us that God “Willed” the universe into existence; and did not physically do it. Thus the “Seven day’s” could have been seven seconds, 7 months, 7 years, or 7,000 years??? We don’t know; no one was there to record it. Nor is this fact important. However a side note here:
Numbers in the Bible have a sorta life of their own and have teaching meanings beyond the numerical understanding that WE have today. The number “7” for example means: “full, complete and perfect.” AND THAT is the significance of the “seven days.” It was “perfect.” Gen. 1: 31 “[31] And God saw all the things that he had made, and they were very good. And the evening and morning were the sixth day.”
Let’s now see how this differs from what GOD choose to do in Creating humanity.
Genesis 2: 6-7 [6] “But a spring rose out of the earth, watering all the surface of the earth. [7] And the Lord God formed man of the slime of the earth: and breathed into his face the breath of life, and man became a living soul. “
In the entire universe; humanity is the ONLY THING: that is {1] made out of something & [2] has a “living {immortal} Soul. {**}
For our discussion a “soul” is that which animates Life in all living things. Just as there is a hierarchy of merit in the animal kingdom; so to there is a hierarchy of merit and complexity in “souls.” Humanities Soul is exclusively Rational and immortal in emulation of the GOD that Created and the God that sustains our lives; It is God who grants life, and it is God who takes and demands Life back; both on His terms.
Genesis 3: 19 “[19] In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread till thou return to the earth, out of which thou wast taken: for dust thou art, and into dust thou shalt return. {This after the Fall of Adam & Eve {or whatever their name was.}
Briefly the lessons of the Fall of Adam though Eve can be summed up in the expression that this is a story of “Love failed.”
FACTS:
[1] God choose to create Adam first, not making Adam {man} superior; BUT making Adam {man} nevertheless responsible for Eve’s {womans} wellbeing and care. Gen. 2: 21-25
By God’s design: men were to take care and provide for the women in their lives; thus Adam was charged by God to protect Eve. … Being 74 I recall when this was the NORM here in America.
The garden had a single gate:
Adam was the “Gate Keeper” Gen. 2: 15 of the single point of entry {and READ: Mt. 7:12-15}, so it was his responsibility to allow no evil access into it.
[2] BEFORE THE FALL: the “Garden of Eden;” “the paradise of pleasure” Gen. 2:8} It was GODS intent to grant humanity a literally “perfect” existence with not one single “want” missing {***}. There was to be no sickness or death, work was a pleasure not a point of strife; and there were zillions of fruit trees always in season; as God foresaw every real need and provided for it.
[3] For the record: “the serpent” according to modern exergies was very likely not a “snake.” Rather is was some hideous MONSTER!
WHY and HOW do they make this conclusion?
Gen. 2: 19 tells us that: “[19] And the Lord God having formed out of the ground all the beasts of the earth, and all the fowls of the air, {each and every one with a mortal soul} brought them to Adam to see what he would call them: for whatsoever Adam called any living creature the same is its name.”
So Adam having named all of God’s “creatures” would have been “LORD” over them: Gen. 1: [28] And God blessed them, saying: Increase and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule over the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the air, and all living creatures that move upon the earth”
[4] Then the “Failed Love”
Adam had insufficient trust in God: LOVE FAILED
Adam did not protect either Eve or the Gardens gate: LOVE FAILED
Adam permitted the evil Monster entrance into the Garden: LOVE FAILED
Adam did not even try to prevent Even from eating the “apple” {WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN ANY KIND OF FRUITTREE} OF WHICH THERE WERE ZILLIONS JUST LIKE IT IN THE GARDEN, SO THIS WAS A TEST BY GOD: LOVE FAILED
Adam could have refused the forbidden fruit offered to him by Eve: LOVE FAILED
Now go back and replace the word “love” with the word “FAITH.” Despite superabundant grace offered to Adam to help him to “man-up”; Adan declined God’s offer of grace and THAT was the ORIGIBAL SIN! Not trusting God.
WHY did Adam do this?
Likely Fear of what the Monster would do to HIM {not them} was a factor; but even more importantly; the Monster sold them on the same sin HE failed God with: that being wanting to be exactly LIKE GOD:
Genesis 3: 1-5 “[1] now the serpent was more subtle than any of the beasts of the earth which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman: Why hath God commanded you that you should not eat of every tree of paradise? [2] And the woman answered him, saying: Of the fruit of the trees that are in paradise we do eat: [3] But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of paradise, God hath commanded us that we should not eat; and that we should not touch it, lest perhaps we die. [4] And the serpent said to the woman: No, you shall not die the death [5] For God doth know that in what day soever you shall eat thereof, your eyes shall be opened: and you shall be as Gods, knowing good and evil”
Verse #4 here is speaking of Eternal Hell, which Satan himself caused by the same sin, and was living in.
End Pt 2 of 9
God's Peace,
Patrick