Am I saved if I have a different biblical interpretation of the oneness of God?

[stvdv]

I believe, and my church teaches, that they will be saved, in that they will go to heaven.

I also believe, and my Master also teaches, that we are saved when we surrender to Him; He calls it Self Realization ('Heavenly state of' Being)

 

[Kenny]

In my experience, growing up in Christendom, it is very obvious that these "Christians" have no idea what the Kingdom of God is....and what its purpose is for mankind. If you ask a dozen people from different denominations or even in the same denomination, they are hard pressed to define it in simple terms....and yet Jesus said...."And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come."
This message was to be a "witness to all the nations" so that no one would be able to say..."no one told me about God's Kingdom". It was only after preaching the message was fully accomplished that "the end" would come.

Then again, that would be assuming that you have the correct understanding of what the Kingdom of God is and what is the Kingdom of Heaven.

 

[Deeje]

Then again, that would be assuming that you have the correct understanding of what the Kingdom of God is and what is the Kingdom of Heaven.

There is only one meaning of the Kingdom of God, which I believe is the Kingdom of heaven, but many have their own version of these things.....only one can be correct.

What did Jesus teach us to pray for in the Lord's Prayer?

 

[rational experiences]

A natural human asks am I saved.

The healthy part of your human body saved to be the one self life you are expressing. Religious or not.

 

[Kenny]

There is only one meaning of the Kingdom of God, which I believe is the Kingdom of heaven, but many have their own version of these things.....only one can be correct.

What did Jesus teach us to pray for in the Lord's Prayer?

Well, I guess we can all learn a little more.

As you read the NT, read it with the understanding that Kingdom of Heaven is where God abides and the Kingdom of God is where He wants man to have dominion - influencing the Kingdom of Heaven here on the earth. Thy will be done on earth (Kingdom of God) as it is in Heaven (Kingdom of Heaven).

It will give a better understanding as you read scriptures.

 

[stvdv]

As you read the NT, read it with the understanding that Kingdom of Heaven is where God abides and the Kingdom of God is where He wants man to have dominion - influencing the Kingdom of Heaven here on the earth. Thy will be done on earth (Kingdom of God) as it is in Heaven (Kingdom of Heaven).

It will give a better understanding as you read scriptures.

I like how you described these

"dominion" I see as subdue vices and living my live while Loving/surrendering to God (following truth, righteousness, non violence, peace in mind)

 

[Deeje]

Well, I guess we can all learn a little more.

As you read the NT, read it with the understanding that Kingdom of Heaven is where God abides and the Kingdom of God is where He wants man to have dominion - influencing the Kingdom of Heaven here on the earth. Thy will be done on earth (Kingdom of God) as it is in Heaven (Kingdom of Heaven).

These are one and the same Kingdom. Jesus rules from heaven over his subjects in earth. There is not one without the other. Jesus was installed as King of God's Kingdom in 1914 according to our understanding and he gave the "sign of his presence" (not his coming) to indicate when it began. A series of world events that fits our time like a fingerprint.

Jesus taught us to pray "Thy Kingdom come. thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven". So with the coming of God's kingdom to take over the rulership of the earth, what were we told to expect to see? Peace and security? NO!...just the opposite.

Matthew 24:3-14....
"While he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?”. . . .
You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for these things must take place, but the end is not yet.
7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress."

So the greatest war in the history on mankind was the beginning of "the conclusion of the system of things".
Luke also included pestilences and we can see that following WW1 when the Spanish flu killed millions of people after the war, and here we are again ravaged by another pandemic that has virtually shut down the world.

When God's Kingdom takes over control of this earth, it will be by a fantastic display of power on God's part. By means of his Son, accompanied by his angelic forces, every vestige of man's rulership under the devil's control will be crushed out of existence. (Daniel 2:44) If you support them, you will go down with them....just like those in "Babylon the great". (Revelation 18:4-5) We must separate ourselves from both.

"Just like the days of Noah", Jesus said...and here we are......(Matthew 24:37-39) After the flood, a new world was created, cleansed of all unrighteous people.....it will be again. (2 Peter 3:13)

I hope you will be there....

 

[Deeje]

Joh 14:9 Yeshua said to him, “Have I been with you such a long time, and do you not know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father. How do you say, ‘Show us the Father?’

Zec 14:1 Behold,H2009 the dayH3117 of the LORDH3068 cometh,H935 and thy spoilH7998 shall be dividedH2505 in the midstH7130 of thee.

H3068
יהוה
yehôvâh
yeh-ho-vaw'

Zec 14:4 His feet will stand in that day on the Mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in two, from east to west, making a very great valley. Half of the mountain will move toward the north, and half of it toward the south.


Isa 44:6 This is what the LORD, the King of Israel,and his Redeemer, the LORD of Hosts, says:“I am the first, and I am the last;and besides me there is no God.

Joh 18:4 Yeshua, who knew everything that was going to happen to him, went out and asked them, "Whom do you want?" "Yeshua from Natzeret," they answered. He said to them, "I AM." Also standing with them was Y'hudah, the one who was betraying him.
Joh 18:6 When he said, "I AM," they went back ward from him and fell to the ground.

Rev 1:8 "I am the Alef and the Tav," says the Lord God, "Who is and Who was and Who is to come, the Almighty."
Rev 22:13 I am the Alef and the Tav, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

This is not the topic of the thread and has been done to death....please consult all the threads that have debated this topic endlessly........but there is no trinity in the Bible.

There needs to be a direct statement from either God or his Christ that Jesus is equal to his God and Father. Try and find one and we will have something to discuss....Inference is not a good foundation for a primary doctrine.....sorry.

 

[roberto]

This is not the topic of the thread and has been done to death....please consult all the threads that have debated this topic endlessly........but there is no trinity in the Bible.

There needs to be a direct statement from either God or his Christ that Jesus is equal to his God and Father. Try and find one and we will have something to discuss....Inference is not a good foundation for a primary doctrine.....sorry.

Deeje,

There is the Father
There is His Son
Then there is the "Holy spirit," which I can only explain to you as the "Blue Tooth", a means that is used by Yeshua to communicate with us.

Similar to when your blue tooth is switched on, on two devices, then they can transfer data to each other.

Bye the way Jesus and his doctrine was created in the year 325 by Emperor Constantine for Christians.

 

[roberto]

God never changed. But gave the New Covenant as He promised, Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:9-13.

If one read the context, one would understand that this is an end time event and not something which has already happened:

Jer 31:34 and they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD; for they shall all know me, from their least to their greatest, says the LORD:.................

 

[Deeje]

Deeje,

There is the Father
There is His Son
Then there is the "Holy spirit," which I can only explain to you as the "Blue Tooth", a means that is used by Yeshua to communicate with us.

Similar to when your blue tooth is switched on, on two devices, then they can transfer data to each other.

That's imaginative....but I feel that "bluetooth" would be somewhat of a weak and comical concept when speaking about communication between the Father and his son.

Bye the way Jesus and his doctrine was created in the year 325 by Emperor Constantine for Christians.

Your statements here appear to contradict each other....Constantine was responsible for Roman Catholicism, which as you are no doubt aware, was a disgusting fusion between weakened Christianity and pagan Roman sun worship. Not to be confused with anything Jesus taught.

The RCC is the origin of the trinity. The Jews do not have a trinity....Islam has no trinity and Jesus never taught it. It did not come from God.

 

[Kenny]

I like how you described these

"dominion" I see as subdue vices and living my live while Loving/surrendering to God (following truth, righteousness, non violence, peace in mind)

I agree with your statement about dominion... but it actually also includes being an ambassador of God and establishing His control over the all the earth (Gen. 1:26)

 

[stvdv]

I agree with your statement about dominion... but it actually also includes being an ambassador of God and establishing His control over the all the earth (Gen. 1:26)

I like Genesis verses.
People usually love to be in control, preferably in control of others (verse 26+28).
Humility and following orders, controlling ourselves and our senses is usually less preferred (verse 29)

So
IF we should follow Genesis 1:26
THEN we should also follow Genesis 1:29

Meaning it's human's prerogative to live vegan.
This also clarifies any wrong interpretation about "control over all that is on the earth". Meaning not killing animals to eat, right?

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.
30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

 

[roberto]

........................................................................................................ Meaning not killing animals to eat, right?

Now-a-days they just print meat, right?

 

[37818]

If one read the context, one would understand that this is an end time event and not something which has already happened:

Jer 31:34 and they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD; for they shall all know me, from their least to their greatest, says the LORD:.................

Yes, that part refers to the New Heaven and Earth to come.
In Hebrews 10:16-17 citing Jeremiah 31:31-34, thoses words, "they shall teach no more" are part of what is skipped, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more." And all genuine Christians do today know the LORD God by why of being born from God, Romans 8:9, 1 John 5:12.

 

[Kenny]

I like Genesis verses.
People usually love to be in control, preferably in control of others (verse 26+28).
Humility and following orders, controlling ourselves and our senses is usually less preferred (verse 29)

So
IF we should follow Genesis 1:26
THEN we should also follow Genesis 1:29

Meaning it's human's prerogative to live vegan.
This also clarifies any wrong interpretation about "control over all that is on the earth". Meaning not killing animals to eat, right?

I think "controlling others" wasn't His mandate as He was talking about earth, plants and animals... not people. Jesus gave the right perspective when "dominion" included "the greatest is the servant of all" not the "dictator of all". Power and authority to use for the benefit of other people.

Yes... in the beginning it was vegan. And soon enough the lion will lay down with the lamb but sin, and I believe the lack of the mist that covered the earth at one time (opinion), changed that to where we now need some meat.

But we should still take care of the earth.

 

[Clara Tea]

they will not accept that I, as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who accepts Jesus as my personal Savior, is saved.

A very warm and welcoming greeting to oppressed Mormons at the Religious Forum.

Obviously God would let everyone know about himself (including people of America). Why would God only tell a small group of people in the Middle East about himself?

Mormons (Latter-Day Saints) believe that America was initially populated by Europeans. This is exactly what the Solutrean Hypothesis asserts. Solutreans were originally from Africa (they were Black), but moved to central Europe. Clovis Indians came across the Bering Straits (Beringia). But, in Virginia, under a Clovis archaeological dig, there are Pre-Clovis arrowheads. An experts on European Solutrean arrowheads said that there are 18 points of commonality between the Virginia and European arrowheads (so they are from the same group). No Pre-Clovis remains were found (dissolved by acids in the soil). A Clovis boy's bones were found, and DNA proved that he was of the same DNA as those who crossed Beringia. But, finding Clovis DNA doesn't prove or disprove facts of pre-Clovis DNA. It is thought that the pre-Clovis were either wiped out by war or the environment, or bred into the existing population. It is also supposed that their unique arrowhead technology spread quickly (through trade routes) throughout North and South America. There is an X haplogroup in the DNA of Europeans that is likely not in the Beringian group. That haplogroup is most prominent on the cost of North America, then tapers from there to a smaller percentage (indicating that Solutreans landed there, and their DNA mixed with Indians who arrived later and bred with them).

The Mormon religion is too vast to prove each and every point in such detail. But, it appears as valid as any other form of Christianity.

Sadly, mainstream Christians don't even consider Mormons to be Christian (despite the fact that they worship Christ). This is because they have a different bible, one that heavily depends on the visions of a prophet.

Mormons, in general, are peace-loving. It was a stain on the Mormon people when Mormons attacked a wagon train seeking supplies. The Mormons had been driven out of Navoo, Illinois, then driven out of Independence, Missouri, and felt that they were safe in Salt Lake, Utah after an arduous trip (some had pushed hand carts over the Rocky Mountains of Colorado). They were so frustrated that mobs might oust them from their solitude, that they attacked.

 

[Thief]

I want to understand why Christians do not think I'm saved.

I would draw the line as to WHAT.....not who.....
God and heaven allow in the Door

even then.....anyone in heaven could be thrown out

 

[cataway]

Yes I feel that way also personally.

I still want to understand Christians who feel that I am not saved.

I do not wish to argue or judge them, I simply want to understand.

if you are saved ,what are you saved from?

 

[37818]

Mormons to be Christian (despite the fact that they worship Christ).

I believe a Mormon can become a Christian. Because God does the saving. 1 John 5:9-13.

Those Christians (I being one of them) that think Mormons are not Christians, because they have the understanding LDS chrurch teaches a different view of God, Christ and gospel. 2 Corinthians 11:3-4, Galatians 1:6-9.
A case in point, Joseph Smith, ". . . They told me that all religious denominations were believing in incorrect doctrines and that none of them was acknowledged of God as his church and kingdom. And I was expressly commanded to 'go not after them,' . . ." -- https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/articles/primary-accounts-of-first-vision