Am I the only Anglican upset by our Church?

[ForeverFaithful]

Have all the conservatives died off or what,

We are an apostlic church, among the great churches of Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria and Moscow, but we seem to become more worldly everyday,

Is anyone else unhappy with the way our Church is going?

 

[InChrist]

Have all the conservatives died off or what,

We are an apostlic church, among the great churches of Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria and Moscow, but we seem to become more worldly everyday,

Is anyone else unhappy with the way our Church is going?

I think this is something that is not only occurring in the Anglican church, but all churches.

 

[ForeverFaithful]

You have already started your journey home to Rome

Why do you think that?

 

[Foxfire]

Have all the conservatives died off or what,

We are an apostlic church, among the great churches of Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria and Moscow, but we seem to become more worldly everyday,

Is anyone else unhappy with the way our Church is going?

Can you tell me about what you mean when you say "the way our Church is going?" What way is it going?

 

[ForeverFaithful]

Can you tell me about what you mean when you say "the way our Church is going?" What way is it going?

Rowan Williams amazing ablity to turn our Church into a feel good social justice club, throwing out any sense of tradition or biblical morality by condoning homosexuality, and worst of all he simply panders to rich white bishops in England, Canada, and America well ignoring the faithful (far more faithful than we are) Bishops in Africa and Asia who have conservative views,

To top it off, well at an Anglican youth retreat I was encouraged to seek God outside the church as though Christianity wasn't anything special, told flat out a staff memeber didn't believe in the virign birth of Christ or the Holy Trinity, this year at Youth Synod we passed a motion requiring (though I refuse and will not) to take part in a **** walk, thus promting cross dressing for the male delegates and immodesty for the females, and to top it off we had female Priests do the vagina monalogues in our cathedral, this last paragraph is just my dicocese btw. Don't get me started on what I've heard the youth get up to and even seen encouraged by our youth ministry staff

 

[Nino0814]

Rowan Williams amazing ablity to turn our Church into a feel good social justice club, throwing out any sense of tradition or biblical morality by condoning homosexuality, and worst of all he simply panders to rich white bishops in England, Canada, and America well ignoring the faithful (far more faithful than we are) Bishops in Africa and Asia who have conservative views,

To top it off, well at an Anglican youth retreat I was encouraged to seek God outside the church as though Christianity wasn't anything special, told flat out a staff memeber didn't believe in the virign birth of Christ or the Holy Trinity, this year at Youth Synod we passed a motion requiring (though I refuse and will not) to take part in a **** walk, thus promting cross dressing for the male delegates and immodesty for the females, and to top it off we had female Priests do the vagina monalogues in our cathedral, this last paragraph is just my dicocese btw. Don't get me started on what I've heard the youth get up to and even seen encouraged by our youth ministry staff

The Bishops of Africa and Asia are more faithful? They live in a cesspool of superstition, where homosexuals are imprisoned, or murdered, and children are accused of witchcraft and then abandoned [at best] and albinos are hunted to support superstitious practices!

Have you read anything on the Bible and history? You can google christian virgin birth and find all kinds of information on why ever thinking person should doubt a literal virgin birth.

 

[Foxfire]

Rowan Williams amazing ablity to turn our Church into a feel good social justice club, throwing out any sense of tradition or biblical morality by condoning homosexuality, and worst of all he simply panders to rich white bishops in England, Canada, and America well ignoring the faithful (far more faithful than we are) Bishops in Africa and Asia who have conservative views,

To top it off, well at an Anglican youth retreat I was encouraged to seek God outside the church as though Christianity wasn't anything special, told flat out a staff memeber didn't believe in the virign birth of Christ or the Holy Trinity, this year at Youth Synod we passed a motion requiring (though I refuse and will not) to take part in a **** walk, thus promting cross dressing for the male delegates and immodesty for the females, and to top it off we had female Priests do the vagina monalogues in our cathedral, this last paragraph is just my dicocese btw. Don't get me started on what I've heard the youth get up to and even seen encouraged by our youth ministry staff

So do you believe the Bible is the inerrant word of God?
And what is a **** walk?

Or let me ask you this? What is your vision of the Church you want?

 

[Breathe]

and to top it off we had female Priests do the vagina monalogues in our cathedral

Vagina.. what?
May I ask what you mean here? As an outsider, I'm confused..

 

[Scuba Pete]

To top it off, well at an Anglican youth retreat I was encouraged to seek God outside the church as though Christianity wasn't anything special, told flat out a staff memeber didn't believe in the virign birth of Christ or the Holy Trinity, this year at Youth Synod we passed a motion requiring (though I refuse and will not) to take part in a **** walk, thus promting cross dressing for the male delegates and immodesty for the females, and to top it off we had female Priests do the vagina monalogues in our cathedral, this last paragraph is just my dicocese btw. Don't get me started on what I've heard the youth get up to and even seen encouraged by our youth ministry staff

Sounds like quite a party. I may have to check them out now!

 

[Foxfire]

Vagina.. what?
May I ask what you mean here? As an outsider, I'm confused..

Hi Odion, if FF doesn't mind, I can help you. The Vagina Monologues is a play written by Eve Ensler that was performed Off Broadway. This is the Wiki link on it:

The Vagina Monologues - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Breathe]

Hi Odion, if FF doesn't mind, I can help you. The Vagina Monologues is a play written by Eve Ensler that was performed Off Broadway. This is the Wiki link on it:

The Vagina Monologues - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ahh, thank you!

 

[Foxfire]

Ahh, thank you!

No Problemo!

 

[Kathryn]

I hate to point this out, because I am sure there are lots of very good people in the Anglican Church, but honestly, what do you expect from a church that Henry VIII started?

That being said, your frustration is shared by people from many Christian sects - myself included (United Methodist here).

 

[Foxfire]

I hate to point this out, because I am sure there are lots of very good people in the Anglican Church, but honestly, what do you expect from a church that Henry VIII started?

That being said, your frustration is shared by people from many Christian sects - myself included (United Methodist here).

Well you know, Kathryn, Henry was an innovator in his time. He had a problem and thought outside of the box and got a solution. LOL! I admire him for that.

Also, the COE doesn't have all the strict dogma stuff the catholics have but we still have all the shiny, pretty stuff in our churches and beautiful robes and embrodiery. :yes: I like bling and shiny, sparkly stuff. I was a crow in another life.

 

[Kathryn]

Well you know, Kathryn, Henry was an innovator in his time. He had a problem and thought outside of the box and got a solution. LOL! I admire him for that.

Also, the COE doesn't have all the strict dogma stuff the catholics have but we still have all the shiny, pretty stuff in our churches and beautiful robes and embrodiery. :yes: I like bling and shiny, sparkly stuff. I was a crow in another life.

LOL, I'm a Methodist and we have the liturgy and the bling too, without the strict doctrine as well, so I can't throw stones. And we go one step worse and drink GRAPE JUICE instead of wine at communion...!

I just always have thought it was so weird for a man like Henry VIII to have the gall to start up a church and name himself as the Supreme Head of that church - and for people with absolutely no danger of having their heads chopped off to still cling to it.

 

[lunamoth]

I hate to point this out, because I am sure there are lots of very good people in the Anglican Church, but honestly, what do you expect from a church that Henry VIII started?

That being said, your frustration is shared by people from many Christian sects - myself included (United Methodist here).

As it is an off-shoot of the CofE, the Methodist Church was 'founded' by H. XIII to the same extent modern Episcopalianism and Anglicanism were.

 

[Kathryn]

As it is an off-shoot of the CofE, the Methodist Church was 'founded' by H. XIII to the same extent modern Episcopalianism and Anglicanism were.

Nyahhhh, not really. That's a stretch. Episcopalians are the American equivalent to CoE.

The Methodists split from the Church of England in the 1700s. Let's face it - any Protestant movements emanating from England would have "roots" in the CoE - but at least Methodists have a defined split from such tomfoolery. The Episcopal Church still works in conjunction with the Anglican Church, unlike the Methodists.

The Episcopal Church clearly maintains it's connectivity to the Anglican Church. The Methodist Church clearly differentiates itself from the Anglican/CoE. Methodist doctrine and practice is markedly different from the CoE/Anglican/Episcopalian as well.

 

[lunamoth]

Nyahhhh, not really. That's a stretch. Episcopalians are the American equivalent to CoE.

The Methodists split from the Church of England in the 1700s. Let's face it - any Protestant movements emanating from England would have "roots" in the CoE - but at least Methodists have a defined split from such tomfoolery. The Episcopal Church still works in conjunction with the Anglican Church, unlike the Methodists.

The Episcopal Church clearly maintains it's connectivity to the Anglican Church. The Methodist Church clearly differentiates itself from the Anglican/CoE. Methodist doctrine and practice is markedly different from the CoE/Anglican/Episcopalian as well.

No stretch at all. Methodism did not split from the CofE over any disagreement of doctrine or governance issue; it evolved as a form of spiritual revival within the CofE. As such, Henry is just as much the founder of Methodism as to any other part of the Anglican Church and it's offshoots.

 

[xkatz]

Also, the COE doesn't have all the strict dogma stuff the catholics have but we still have all the shiny, pretty stuff in our churches and beautiful robes and embrodiery. :yes: I like bling and shiny, sparkly stuff. I was a crow in another life.

I don't mean to be rude but are you serious?

 

[Kathryn]

No stretch at all. Methodism did not split from the CofE over any disagreement of doctrine or governance issue; it evolved as a form of spiritual revival within the CofE. As such, Henry is just as much the founder of Methodism as to any other part of the Anglican Church and it's offshoots.

Could be -like I said, I think it's a stretch though. ANY Protestant movement emanating from England would have it's roots in the Church of England. But there's a clear division with Methodism. Methodism in general is much more conservative than the Church of England and the Episcopal Church, and much more evangelical.

The "Methodists" were mocked by CoE members for their discipline and methodical bible study from the early 1700s forward. Methodism broke away from the CoE when it denounced the CoE as corrupt and unduly focused on the aristocracy.

Oh well - though I attend a Methodist Church, I'm non denominational anyway. I consider myself a liturgical Christian -I appreciate the traditions surrounding the liturgy and the holy year. Those predate Henry VIII by centuries - and I'm glad for that.