America anti-abortion proven unscientific and killing women

[stvdv]

First, because there are so many contraceptives that greatly reduce the risk of unwanted pregnancies.

True. And very important to educate all women on this. Maybe best to start in kindergarten...be sure to start in time telling them about this, for sure well before their hormones start raging through their bodies.

Secondly, if a healthy woman gets pregnant despite the contraception and is carrying a very healthy baby, there are so many alternatives like adoption and so on.

Still, I think it should be her choice...child birth is not just something...what if a girl gets raped...if she wants abortion, she has all the right. Even more so, I think it is really creepy and above all VERY cruel to reject her decision, and impose on her to have this child

 

[Estro Felino]

Still, I think it should be her choice...child birth is not just something...what if a girl gets raped...if she wants abortion, she has all the right. Even more so, I think it is really creepy and above all VERY cruel to reject her decision, and impose on her to have this child

Victims of rape are surely to be understood and helped, if they take that decision.

 

[stvdv]

One of the problems with the abortion discussion, is women have been conned into believing that an abortion is a woman's right. Name me a male's right that only men share? Something does not add up.

A right is something that applies to all; human rights

I would only agree IF men could give birth to children
To me, this totally does not add up how you put it

 

[Revoltingest]

But what intrigues me is "why they suddenly change this Law". Those in control always have a plan and a purpose. I can't believe it's religious

Religion appears to be the "plan" & "purpose".
It's a useful explanation that fits the occurences.

 

[stvdv]

The entitlement mentality brings us down a slippery slope, since every niche will want its own share of entitlements, to make it fair

I don't call women under "every niche"...it's 50% of humanity, not just a niche
And we don't talk about "just something" like owning a gun, childbirth has a huge impact on a woman
Imposing childbirth on women is very bad, esp. when she gets raped...it is very cruel to impose this child on her

 

[stvdv]

Religion appears to be the "plan" & "purpose".
It's a useful explanation that fits the occurences.

I hope you are right...has religion still such an impact in the USA...on the highest levels...who decide to make such a law?

 

[stvdv]

This monarchy mind set has entered the abortion issue, with women entitled to choose life or death, apart from any human rights that apply to all.

Better to be a bit more specific, before calling women out like that
Before 4 month and 9 days the life force (vibration) has not even entered, so before that, all this is not even an issue

It is important to know the difference between rights and entitlements if you believe in a Democracy or the regression back to monarchy control. Personally I am less worried about the plantation owners compare to the slaves ,,they lord over, who have no worth to them.

So, it's even more important to know the difference between whether or not there is life force in the foetus or not. American judge don't know this

 

[Revoltingest]

Before 4 month and 9 days the life force (vibration) has not even entered...

I'd like to see some sources on this science.

 

[stvdv]

I'd like to see some sources on this science.

This is one source: 4 month and 9 days

And Islam speaks about 4 month I heard here on RF recently, but I have no source of that

Vibration definitely not entering the body at the time of conception...at least 4 month before you could start thinking of killing something. And 90% or more of the abortions take place before this 4 month. So, this law should at least give women 4 month the time to decide. Those people are well aware of these facts, still they decided to push through with this law, hence I am convinced there is another agenda behind all of this. Too many of these laws are pushed through the past 2 years, using corona as a distraction, or the war. Something is really of the last few years. Not good
@stvdvRF

 

[Revoltingest]

This is one source: 4 month and 9 days

And Islam speaks about 4 month I heard here on RF recently, but I have no source of that

Vibration definitely not entering the body at the time of conception...at least 4 month before you could start thinking of killing something. And 90% or more of the abortions take place before this 4 month. So, this law should at least give women 4 month the time to decide. Those people are well aware of these facts, still they decided to push through with this law, hence I am convinced there is another agenda behind all of this. Too many of these laws are pushed through the past 2 years, using corona as a distraction, or the war. Something is really of the last few years. Not good
@stvdvRF

I'm sorry...the explanation was simply
too technical for me to understand.

 

[stvdv]

I'm sorry...the explanation was simply
too technical for me to understand.

I thought already that might be the case, I keep that in mind next time

 

[stvdv]

In Holland they talk now also about what happened in America...ban on abortions

The newspapers write about it that this is just the start what is going to happen in America. Soon LGBT will lose all their "rights", because it's in the same category. I think they are right, this is what I foresee also, hence the importance to fight this. Step by step they will take freedom away.

But they are smart. First abortion right taken. At least they have most of the religious people on their site. But I am sure the next time it will be the Religious people who will be taken by surprise.

 

[stvdv]

All this with the utmost respect to the pregnamt woman's psychological welfare.

Imposing on someone a pregnancy is NEVER respectful, however nice you might color it for her, right?

As a citizen of a secular state, I need to defend the law about abortion.

Because it is a right that is given to all women regardless of their religious convictions.

But the very same law states that abortion is doable only within the first trimester.

I would go for at least 4 month, maybe even 6 month. That makes more sense to me

I will always defend this law, because I am loyal to the secular state.
I cannot disrespect the secularism of the State.

But you could, respectfully of course, argue your case if the Law is not good, right?

 

[Estro Felino]

But you could, respectfully of course, argue your case if the Law is not good, right?

But as a jurist I cannot use my personal (irrelevant) religious convictions, because it is not allowed in a secular state with a secular legislation. I can only use reason, logic.

 

[stvdv]

People can easily avoid to become pregnant, that is why I don't think abortion is necessary.

How about a woman being raped. I guess you at least agree that this woman has the right to an abortion, right?

 

[Revoltingest]

In Holland they talk now also about what happened in America...ban on abortions

The newspapers write about it that this is just the start what is going to happen in America. Soon LGBT will lose all their "rights", because it's in the same category. I think they are right, this is what I foresee also, hence the importance to fight this. Step by step they will take freedom away.

But they are smart. First abortion right taken. At least they have most of the religious people on their site. But I am sure the next time it will be the Religious people who will be taken by surprise.

They misunderstand. The constitutional right to an abortion
was voided, but there's no federal ban (at the moment). Now
it varies with the states...some banning....some not.

The rights immediately threatened are non-enumerated ones,
ie, not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution. Although even
explicit rights can be taken away by a mischievous court, eg,
the 6th Amendment right to a jury trial. (See the Petty Offense
Doctrine.)

We won't lose all our rights. But we must persevere to keep
& regain them. And we have tools for this.

 

[Revoltingest]

But as a jurist I cannot use my personal (irrelevant) religious convictions, because it is not allowed in a secular state with a secular legislation. I can only use reason, logic.

Not all justices share your view.

 

[stvdv]

But as a jurist I cannot use my personal (irrelevant) religious convictions, because it is not allowed in a secular state with a secular legislation. I can only use reason, logic.

Of course not. I was not talking about irrelevant religious convictions
I was talking about questionable laws...like they have in North Korea for example

 

[stvdv]

They misunderstand. The constitutional right to an abortion
was voided, but there's no federal ban (at the moment). Now
it varies with the states...some banning....some not.

The rights immediately threatened are non-enumerated ones,
ie, not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution. Although even
explicit rights can be taken away by a mischievous court, eg,
the 6th Amendment right to a jury trial. (See the Petty Offense
Doctrine.)

We won't lose all our rights. But we must persevere to keep
& regain them. And we have tools for this.

Thank you for the elaboration

And Americans better not let them take away any more
We have a saying "give a finger, they soon take your hand"

 

[Estro Felino]

Not all justices share your view.

Let's wait and see.
If the citizens of those states find these bans anachronistic, they will elect other representatives and other lawmakers.
From a democratic point of view, the federal level is too distant from the single states within an immense country.