An irrefutable proof that Jesus is God

[Father Heathen]

Your post rings of truth, that God has to prove his book being from himself and part of that is it has to be coherent, rational, as well as high in spirituality and eloquence. If he says irrational things, how can he expect people to believe in the book in the first place?

Is trinity rational even let's say if the Gospels taught it?

Asserting any scripture as "proof" of itself is circular, fallacious logic. It's like suggesting that comic books prove superheroes are real.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Christianity isn't an "abrahamic religion".

We believe another Abraham, not the same like Judaism or Islam.

Christians worship the God of Abraham. Ergo they are of the Abrahamic Religions.

 

[Link]

There are inconsistencies in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

That's true, but as far as I'm aware there is no inconsistency with Quran. There is inconsistency in translations and how Muslims have interpreted Quran, but I don't find anything inconsistent in Quran. The Bible emphasizes on miracles for example with Moses and Elijah as being proofs but dismisses it in case of Solomon and makes him unrighteous. This is a major inconsistency, are miracles signs and proofs or not?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That's true, but as far as I'm aware there is no inconsistency with Quran. There is inconsistency in translations and how Muslims have interpreted Quran, but I don't find anything inconsistent in Quran. The Bible emphasizes on miracles for example with Moses and Elijah as being proofs but dismisses it in case of Solomon and makes him unrighteous. This is a major inconsistency, are miracles signs and proofs or not?

Christians say the exact same thing of the Bible.
Jews say the exact same thing of the Tanakh.
The same applies to the Quran.

 

[Link]

Asserting any scripture as "proof" of itself is circular, fallacious logic. It's like suggesting that comic books prove superheroes are real.

That's true, if you say x is true because this book says so, for a person who doesn't accept the book, that would not be proof. However, I think this thread was in spirit of Christians who accept Gospels, it's saying they should all accept Jesus as God per the book they all accept but obviously some Christians disagree.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Jesus was a man, as well as Deity.
So, as a man, He had a body that was provided for the sin of the world.
The Humanity of Jesus, was not disabled because He was God in the Flesh.
So, it was Jesus the Man who felt the nails that nailed Him to the Tree.
It was Jesus the Man, who was popping blood vessels from His face, in the Garden of Gethsemane, knowing of the agony that He was going to FEEL, very soon.
So, God in Man, is Christ, and Jesus is Emmanuel, ...."God with Us".
God became one of us, to offer His Salvation to all of us, on the Cross.

You didn’t use one Scripture, to support your claim.

Paul said, “we have one God, the Father.” 1 Corinthians 8:6

It can’t get any clearer, than that… you’re proposing polytheism, with little difference to the triads of Egypt & Babylon.

 

[Link]

Christians say the exact same thing of the Bible.
Jews say the exact same thing of the Tanakh.
The same applies to the Quran.

That maybe true, I myself have seen Bible to be inconsistent, yet don't find Quran. I can't go by people's claims, just what I investigate myself, not saying you should accept this claim of mine. For all you know Quran is inconsistent and I haven't seen it.

 

[Kenny]

Why should we take any of the Gospel/NT writers at their word when they get so much wrong?

Because they were right?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That's true, if you say x is true because this book says so, for a person who doesn't accept the book, that would not be proof. However, I think this thread was in spirit of Christians who accept Gospels, it's saying they should all accept Jesus as God per the book they all accept but obviously some Christians disagree.

Outside of John there are no indications of Jesus' divinity. No one else bothered to write about it. And the very idea goes against Judaism where there is god and only god, "I am thy Lord thy god, thou shalt have no other gods before me."
The Trinity is paganism.

 

[Link]

Outside of John there are no indications of Jesus' divinity. No one else bothered to write about it. And the very idea goes against Judaism where there is god and only god, "I am thy Lord thy god, thou shalt have no other gods before me."
The Trinity is paganism.

I find John Gospels to be very enlightening and don't find trinity there either. I think it's an extremely foolish imposed interpretation that contradictions the foundation of the Bible and Gospels too.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That maybe true, I myself have seen Bible to be inconsistent, yet don't find Quran. I can't go by people's claims, just what I investigate myself, not saying you should accept this claim of mine. For all you know Quran is inconsistent and I haven't seen it.

The Quran gives six, four, and two days as the length of Creation.

 

[Link]

The Quran gives six, four, and two days as the length of Creation.

I'm going to open a thread about the "6 days" and "then established himself on the throne", because it has nothing to do with physical creation, which the sky comes first, then the earth (which is in Quran).

We will see what "skies" means, and "earth" means metaphorically through much of Quran. As for the physical creation of skies and earth, the Quran has it opposite then the creation of earth and heavens, described in 2 days and 4 days then finished in 6 days, in the latter it's skies created last, while in the physical creation it has it skies created first then earth. So this would be an inconsistency where it not for the metaphors described in the Quran about sky and lanterns and earth and "desires" and "holding on to it" metaphors.

There is also a interpretation that the it's about atmospheres of clouds, but I don't buy that myself (in which the inconsistency would be solved).

 

[stvdv]

Why should we take any of the Gospel/NT writers at their word when they get so much wrong?

Right

 

[Shadow Wolf]

There is also a interpretation that the it's about atmospheres of clouds, but I don't buy that myself (in which the inconsistency would be solved).

That's the same thing others do to make their religious text consistent.

 

[nPeace]

I believe and say that Revelation 2:23 is an irrefutable proof that Jesus is God.

and all the churches will know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds.

Look carefully, Jesus says that he is He who knows the inner man and will judge man.
But there is only one who knows the inner man and will be the judge in the end, and that is God.
Conclusion: Jesus is God.

Let us now look at Jeremiah 17:10.
I am Yahweh who search the heart, I test the mind, to give to each person according to his ways, according to the fruit of his deeds.
In the OT, God speaks that He is YHWH who knows the inner man and will be the judge.
Jesus says that He is He who...
God in the OT says that He is YHWH who...
Conclusion: Jesus is YHWH.

When Jesus said that He is He, He meant that He is YHWH.
In the Hebrew language, the letter Yod is a prefix and means "He". With HWH at the end, YHWH means HE IS.

When Jesus once said that He is He, hundreds of people drew back and fell to the ground before him because they knew what He meant.

Now then, when He said to them, “I am He,” they drew back and fell to the ground. John 18:6

Read the Bible, often the Scripture says things like: and Jesus knew what was in their hearts or and Jesus knew their thoughts.
He is truly the creator of all things.

You'll need to do waaaaaaaaaaayyyy better than that chief.
I only need one portion of scripture from hundreds, to refute that John 5:22-30

You see. Jehovah - the father - entrusted Jesus with what's needed to judge. Jesus - the son of the father - was able to read hearts (even when on earth) because his father gave him that authority.

 

[Bethel]

You've already blown off someone "more qualified" than I am in that area.

I hope you can understand and would, that im a Christian.
So, Shadow Wolf.....when you deal with a real one, then, ....when they are hearing, reading, hateful denial of God's Word and personal attack on God's Son,...then a real Christian feels this personally, as if someone were attacking your mother, you father, your children.

See, the born again have entered into a relationship with God through Christ that is supernatural, ...Yet which exists in the natural realm, and we know what we know, not because we read about Jesus, ..but its because Jesus lives in us, as we are "in Christ".
A Christian has become a part of God's Eternal family. This has literally and actually happened.
Now.....There is no way that this Supernatural experience can be understood, without the experience. So, when you meet someone who has this daily and then lifelong experience, then, that is supremely different the talking with someone who is religious, and perhaps goes to church...etc.

 

[stvdv]

I believe and say that Revelation 2:23 is an irrefutable proof that Jesus is God.

To define God (place God on the left side of the "=" sign) would imply to belittle God
So never place God on the left side of "=" sign, as it restricts God, which makes no sense having these 3 omni attributes
It's fine to place God on the right side of "=" sign, that's always the safer way to go
And well, placing Jesus on the left side is fine with me
Unless you mean "the man called Jesus"

 

[Bethel]

There are inconsistencies in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

There are no inconsistencies within Christianity.
There are only those who ..

A.) Dont understand it
B.) Dont understand it.

So, when you are looking at something, and the looker is outside the gate, then all they can do is pretend they know, what they can't possibly know.

 

[Jeremiah Ames]

I have the Holy Spirit, so I am right. Everyone who has the same spirit will confirm me.
Only Christians will see that my post is the truth, all others not. It has all to do which spirit someone has.

How do you know you have the Holy Spirit?

What does that even mean, that you have it?

What is this thing you claim to have, can you describe it to me?

These are not difficult questions based upon your comment, so hopefully you can answer for me please.

 

[QuestioningMind]

I have the Holy Spirit, so I am right. Everyone who has the same spirit will confirm me.
Only Christians will see that my post is the truth, all others not. It has all to do which spirit someone has.

I have the Supreme Spirit, and the Supreme Spirit is MUCH better than a mere Holy Spirit, so I'M right! You should stop following the wrong spirit.