An irrefutable proof that Jesus is God

[Bethel]

Millions believe God is with us. Yet Jesus is not here. Holy Spirit does not mean God With Us, Yet God is with us. You don't doubt that, do you?

The way to understand, "God with us", is this...
"Christ in you".
See, the born again, have Jesus in them...... How? It happens when the Spirit of Christ, (the Holy Spirit) comes to live in the BELIEVER.
The New Testament explains this as the born again being...."IN Christ".


ok then

talk to you later


_K

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I believe and say that Revelation 2:23 is an irrefutable proof that Jesus is God.

and all the churches will know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds.

Look carefully, Jesus says that he is He who knows the inner man and will judge man.
But there is only one who knows the inner man and will be the judge in the end, and that is God.
Conclusion: Jesus is God.

Let us now look at Jeremiah 17:10.
I am Yahweh who search the heart, I test the mind, to give to each person according to his ways, according to the fruit of his deeds.
In the OT, God speaks that He is YHWH who knows the inner man and will be the judge.
Jesus says that He is He who...
God in the OT says that He is YHWH who...
Conclusion: Jesus is YHWH.

When Jesus said that He is He, He meant that He is YHWH.
In the Hebrew language, the letter Yod is a prefix and means "He". With HWH at the end, YHWH means HE IS.

When Jesus once said that He is He, hundreds of people drew back and fell to the ground before him because they knew what He meant.

Now then, when He said to them, “I am He,” they drew back and fell to the ground. John 18:6

Read the Bible, often the Scripture says things like: and Jesus knew what was in their hearts or and Jesus knew their thoughts.
He is truly the creator of all things.

My irrefutable proof that Jesus is NOT God is much simpler. God is eternal and immortal. Jesus died. It says so in the Bible. Anything that dies is not immortal. Therefore, Jesus is not God.

 

[paarsurrey]

Jesus said..>"if you've seen me, you've seen the Father".

Jesus said..>"before Abraham was.......I AM"......and that term....."I Am" is the Term that God The Father used as His own Title, when talking to Moses from the Burning Bush.
So, both God the Father, and Jesus the Man, said of themselves......>"I AM".

Isn't it a third person narrative by anonymous scripture named after John just for credulity for the credulous Pauline-Christians, please ? Right?
Kindly try another time, please. Right?

Regards
___________
Jesus did not die on the Cross in the first place, so Jesus had no case of god-ship, please.

 

[nPeace]

This is his BODY ........His BODY.........>Jesus's BODY, was born.
His SPIRIT, was always.. in existence with God.
So, you have the Pre-incarnate WORD, that is "Spirit", who came to live in a BODY, virgin born, and this Body is the man, Jesus.

Here is the disconnect between what Christians understand about "soul, spirit, and body", that is not known by the majority of unbelievers.
Its this..
You...the REAL you......is NOT your body.
Your BODY, is your house.. Its the container for the Spirit.....Your body will die, but the real you, the SPIRIT, that is the life of the Body, will never die.

Have you ever seen anyone die?
If you did, and their eyes were open, then you saw something that happens everytime a body dies.
Its this...there is a LIGHT in their EYES, that gets BRIGHTER, and then it dims, and they are GONE from their body.

So, unbelievers get lost in Jesus the man, who was in Heaven before He became the man with the Body.....virgin born on earth.
Get past that, and then the understanding of Who Jesus is, before He was in a body down here, becomes a revelation to you.

ok then....Ive had a long day, am up since 2am, and its late now, so, tomorrow i'll post a Thread for you, that discusses in more detail what im showing you here.

enjoyed the conversation with everyone...


-B

When you awake, and are free, can you bring one scripture that says anything supporting what you wrote here.

 

[nPeace]

My irrefutable proof that Jesus is NOT God is much simpler. God is eternal and immortal. Jesus died. It says so in the Bible. Anything that dies is not immortal. Therefore, Jesus is not God.

The response I get to this is... Jesus did not die. His body did.
Only, it doesn't say that in the Bible.

 

[nPeace]

The way to understand, "God with us", is this...
"Christ in you".
See, the born again, have Jesus in them...... How? It happens when the Spirit of Christ, (the Holy Spirit) comes to live in the BELIEVER.
The New Testament explains this as the born again being...."IN Christ".


ok then

talk to you later


_K

Again. Not one scripture.
Sad that people go to these buildings abd sit for an hour listening to someone preach all sorts of things, and never open the Bible and read one single scripture that supports anything they are saying.

 

[Nakosis]

I sometimes live in Israel, my home is there...

Here is what a religious jew, is up against.
Religious Jews believe....BELIEVE, they are MARRIED to the Law of Moses.

So, for a religious Jew, a devout practitioner of Judaism......they BELIEVE that for them to trust in Jesus as their MESSIAH, is to betray their HUSBAND the LAW, and so, for them, this is "Adultery'.

What I've been told by Jews is that Jesus did not fulfill the requirements of the Messiah. So, until the person who comes along does, that person has yet to exist.

Of course they have also told me that if you gather 10 Jews together and ask them questions about Judaism you'll get 12 different opinions.
From my own experience with Christians if you gather 10 different Christians together and ask them the same question about the Bible, you'll get 13 different answers.

 

[nPeace]

What I've been told by Jews is that Jesus did not fulfill the requirements of the Messiah. So, until the person who comes along does, that person has yet to exist.

Of course they have also told me that if you gather 10 Jews together and ask them questions about Judaism you'll get 12 different opinions.
From my own experience with Christians if you gather 10 different Christians together and ask them the same question about the Bible, you'll get 13 different answers.

Happens with scientists too. Ask 20 scientists one question, and you'll get 40 different answers... or more... and a fight might break out. Some turn red... like Dawkins. giggle

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

I hope you can understand and would, that im a Christian.
So, Shadow Wolf.....when you deal with a real one, then, ....when they are hearing, reading, hateful denial of God's Word and personal attack on God's Son,...then a real Christian feels this personally, as if someone were attacking your mother, you father, your children.

See, the born again have entered into a relationship with God through Christ that is supernatural, ...Yet which exists in the natural realm, and we know what we know, not because we read about Jesus, ..but its because Jesus lives in us, as we are "in Christ".
A Christian has become a part of God's Eternal family. This has literally and actually happened.
Now.....There is no way that this Supernatural experience can be understood, without the experience. So, when you meet someone who has this daily and then lifelong experience, then, that is supremely different the talking with someone who is religious, and perhaps goes to church...etc.

Can you give Bible verses that tell when and how a person is born again?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

The response I get to this is... Jesus did not die. His body did.
Only, it doesn't say that in the Bible.

I've still yet to see anything that suggests that a person who loses their body continues somehow as a person.

I know the religious believe that -- of course they do, what else could they do? But I continue to point out that every time an anaesthesiologist shuts down somebody's brain for a few hours while the remove a hip or a repair a heart, that person essentially "goes away." She has no memory, no conscious awareness, no nothing of those hours under propofol or whatever.

I know that people who have suffered various kinds of brain damage can change who they are, sometimes incredibly dramatically. Wherein, then, lies "the person?" Who are you if everything about you is suddenly not who you were?

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

This is his BODY ........His BODY.........>Jesus's BODY, was born.
His SPIRIT, was always.. in existence with God.
So, you have the Pre-incarnate WORD, that is "Spirit", who came to live in a BODY, virgin born, and this Body is the man, Jesus.

Here is the disconnect between what Christians understand about "soul, spirit, and body", that is not known by the majority of unbelievers.
Its this..
You...the REAL you......is NOT your body.
Your BODY, is your house.. Its the container for the Spirit.....Your body will die, but the real you, the SPIRIT, that is the life of the Body, will never die.

Have you ever seen anyone die?
If you did, and their eyes were open, then you saw something that happens everytime a body dies.
Its this...there is a LIGHT in their EYES, that gets BRIGHTER, and then it dims, and they are GONE from their body.

So, unbelievers get lost in Jesus the man, who was in Heaven before He became the man with the Body.....virgin born on earth.
Get past that, and then the understanding of Who Jesus is, before He was in a body down here, becomes a revelation to you.

ok then....Ive had a long day, am up since 2am, and its late now, so, tomorrow i'll post a Thread for you, that discusses in more detail what im showing you here.

enjoyed the conversation with everyone...


-B

Please give Bible versesthat say the spirit will never die. Is this the same as immortal soul?

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

The way to understand, "God with us", is this...
"Christ in you".
See, the born again, have Jesus in them...... How? It happens when the Spirit of Christ, (the Holy Spirit) comes to live in the BELIEVER.
The New Testament explains this as the born again being...."IN Christ".


ok then

talk to you later


_K

Please give the verses that say this.

 

[nPeace]

I've still yet to see anything that suggests that a person who loses their body continues somehow as a person.

I know the religious believe that -- of course they do, what else could they do? But I continue to point out that every time an anaesthesiologist shuts down somebody's brain for a few hours while the remove a hip or a repair a heart, that person essentially "goes away." She has no memory, no conscious awareness, no nothing of those hours under propofol or whatever.

I know that people who have suffered various kinds of brain damage can change who they are, sometimes incredibly dramatically. Wherein, then, lies "the person?" Who are you if everything about you is suddenly not who you were?

Good questions.
I don't believe in anything surviving death.
I know as long as spirit permeates the body and brain cells, one's thoughts remain intact. So that even when they sleep, the brain can continue to process these thoughts.
However, once a person dies, and that spirit is no longer sustained by breathing, it goes out.
The brain can no longer sustain anything, because everything dies, including all cell.
The only thing likely to survive are bacteria... if the do. Do they

The Bible does not teach that anything survives death.
According to the Bible, the spirit is not an entity, with feeling, as is taught by 99.9% of religions.

 

[firedragon]

John, the same guy of the gospel

Err. See, with such a common name like John, it could be one out of ten thousand. Which one? And where in the book does it say who it is?

 

[blü 2]

What did historians of antiquity write about Jesus? Do any mention stories of miracles? What did the opponents of Jesus say about Jesus?

We have no record of Jesus by anyone who ever met him. Paul writes about 20 years after the traditional date of his death, Mark writes the first and in effect only biography of Jesus about 45 years after, Matthew and Luke about 55 years, John about 65 years.

As for miracles, let me take you down a well-trodden path:

Before he was born, a heavenly visitor told his mother her son would be divine. There were special signs in the heavens at his birth. He became an itinerant, preaching the need to focus on the divine and eternal and not the material. In time some of his followers thought he was the son of God. He healed the sick, cast out demons and raised the dead. The Roman authorities put him on trial. After his death he ascended to heaven, where he now resides, having appeared to at least one of his followers. His followers later wrote books about him.

This of course is Apollonius of Tyana, in the second half of the first century CE. Not too much later the Christians were calling him a fraud, and the Apollonians were calling Jesus a fraud.

How would you go about showing which side was factually more accurate in their claims?

 

[blü 2]

What you said is not true.

1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

Philippians 2:11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
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I see no ambiguity there.

Don't forget that both Paul and the author of John see Jesus as the gnostic demiurge, who unlike the Jesuses of Mark, Matthew and Luke, pre-existed in heaven with God; and (regardless of Genesis) say that Jesus made the material world (Corinthians, above, and John 1.3). In Gnosticism, God is spirit, absolutely pure and infinitely remote, and had [he] hands, [he]'d never sully them by dealing with the material. Thus, again unlike Mark, Matthew and Luke, Paul and the author of John see Jesus as the essential mediator between the material and the divine.

 

[F1fan]

Also an irrefutable proof.

He was in the world, and the world was created through him, and yet the world did not recognize him.

The world was created through him, because he is God.

Him Jesus?

So if God knew at the creation that jesus was going to be a thing in the future, then god knew the Garden would fall, and that humans would be sinners who needed a savior. It's more evidence that Humans were created and set up to fail, and none of their sin is on their heads. God is responsible for sin, and thus if God has to create itself in the form of jesus and sacrifice itself to itself, then it is just trying to fix its own corrupt creation. On the plus side this sacrifice is paid "for the sins of mankind" and humans don't have to do anything for this salvation. Just get on with your lives and don't worry about hell.

 

[rational experiences]

I believe and say that Revelation 2:23 is an irrefutable proof that Jesus is God.

and all the churches will know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds.

Look carefully, Jesus says that he is He who knows the inner man and will judge man.
But there is only one who knows the inner man and will be the judge in the end, and that is God.
Conclusion: Jesus is God.

Let us now look at Jeremiah 17:10.
I am Yahweh who search the heart, I test the mind, to give to each person according to his ways, according to the fruit of his deeds.
In the OT, God speaks that He is YHWH who knows the inner man and will be the judge.
Jesus says that He is He who...
God in the OT says that He is YHWH who...
Conclusion: Jesus is YHWH.

When Jesus said that He is He, He meant that He is YHWH.
In the Hebrew language, the letter Yod is a prefix and means "He". With HWH at the end, YHWH means HE IS.

When Jesus once said that He is He, hundreds of people drew back and fell to the ground before him because they knew what He meant.

Now then, when He said to them, “I am He,” they drew back and fell to the ground. John 18:6

Read the Bible, often the Scripture says things like: and Jesus knew what was in their hearts or and Jesus knew their thoughts.
He is truly the creator of all things.

Man human says Christ consciousness. Christ CH gases that arise out of the body god stone. Had arise and had arose.

Arise is present.
Arose was historic.
Title given Rist. So you could not quantify its purpose.

Stone O a self entity. Self entity owned it's own heavens the planet.

Spirits of God earth.

Earth a planet described by men in human philosophical science. Science is just philosophies.

Says Jesus is proven as gods spirit. Only had come out of stone and was not a factor.

Christ he said came arose out of God.

Is Jesus a body of stone as an observed God?

No.

Did Christ gases come out of stone mass?

Yes.

Jesus was inherited as a sacrificed status in heavens gases?

Yes.
Did those gases come out as CH or Jesus first?

CH first.

So Jesus proves it was sacrificed gases. What is a sacrificed gas that was not created to be sacrificed?

No answer in logic.

Body gone of previous massed presence an answer.

Does science say Christ first then Christ attacked became a state Jesus?

No.

The claim is Jesus saved life on earth.

Where is Jesus seen? In the cloud mass.

Is the body cloud just a huge man body as cloud formation?

No.

If you said Phi caused the changes as you used its calculus as a beginning when it never existed would you be given a sign that said Phi had ended sacrificed life. As a cause?

Yes.

What would Jesus mean?

A human explanation of why.

If a human scientist invented the use of Phi gets life sacrificed as it's inventor what human name would be proof to his healthy spiritual man human presence? That he did it to self.

He would call his own life Jesus then be sacrificed as it's origin science human man designer. Human caused.

Self evident.

Previously he said the title was Moses.

Proof he applied human man reasons in a life evaluation changed in science causes.

 

[QuestioningMind]

If a Christ rejector, or opponent of Christianity isn't trying to deny the bible and Christ Himself by insinuation and false castigation, then they are not doing their job, are they.

I'm guessing that you fall into category A, you willfully ignore reality. But hey, you wouldn't be a Christian doing their job otherwise, right?

 

[QuestioningMind]

Post a "Christian inconsistency", that isn't your opinion.
I'l be happy to address it so that you can see what you should see, vs, what you think you know that isn't correct.

1) The bible claims that God is a moral being.
2) In the bible God condones slavery.
Conclusion: God clearly is NOT a moral being.

That was easy.