people don't choose what to believe. freedom to follow God isn't the same as being able to choose to believe or disbelief. even if we had knowledge of God that doesn't say what actions we would do. free will is not applicable to belief.
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An Opinion: Islam Is Not a Religion of Peace
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FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
I'm not a judge nor any person can claim that he knows what's God's decision would be.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
You can search for it yourself if interested.
http://www.themuslimtimes.org/2013/...erses-about-compassionate-living-in-the-quran
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Dragonslayer
Muslims who repeatedly did not go to prayers despite being able, what would be the course of action?
To believe and worship (both) Allah and Allah alone...i.e. actually follow the tenets and requirements is known.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
If you follow God it means you believe and if you don't follow God then it means you disbelieve, no difference
Hi FearGod,
Thanks for the link! (I didn't read all 200 verses in the link, but I read some of them.)
There is an interesting distinction here - I would say that many of the verses in this link fall into the category:
"Be nice to your fellow Muslims, be charitable, and so on". These are positive messages to be sure.
But this is different than being peaceful with non-believers. I'm sure that some verses talk about peace with non-believers, but the number would be much smaller, correct?
You can believe in God and not choose to follow His dictates at all and be a Satanist.
so shiatan doesn't believe in Allah?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Yes, in this case you chose to believe in God and to disobey him and to be a Satanic.
My point is it's your free will.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Yes i got your point, but it's still your free will.
no, my actions are. beliefs are cumulative beyond deciding
No, you said "If you follow God that means you believe", and "If you don't follow God then you don't believe", but whatever.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Do you believe in God ?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Yes if you follow God which means you obey him then you're doing it because you believe in him otherwise why to follow him.
Of course you need to believe in order to follow, but even if you do believe in God it doesn't necessarily follow that you will follow His religion.
I made a post in the other thread and I'll use some of it here. I will be content with saying that Islam can ( I won't say is) be a religion of peace, otherwise it wouldn't have verses like these in its holly book:
Quran 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Quran 4:105
Indeed, We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth so you may judge between the people by that which God has shown you. And do not be an enemy to your opponents.
Quran 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
Quran 60:8
God does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, God loves those who act justly.
Quran 2:188
And do not consume one another's wealth unjustly or send it [in bribery] to those in charge in order that they might aid you to consume a portion of the wealth of the people in sin, while you know [it is unlawful].
I don't memorize Quran much and those verses are from my memory only. I only found the verses' numbers and translations online.
Quran 16:125
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.
Quran 4:105
Indeed, We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth so you may judge between the people by that which God has shown you. And do not be an enemy to your opponents.
Quran 29:46
And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, "We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him."
Quran 60:8
God does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, God loves those who act justly.
Quran 2:188
And do not consume one another's wealth unjustly or send it [in bribery] to those in charge in order that they might aid you to consume a portion of the wealth of the people in sin, while you know [it is unlawful].
I don't memorize Quran much and those verses are from my memory only. I only found the verses' numbers and translations online.
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FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Yes thats why i said we're free to worship him or not, but i think believing in God while refusing to follow him
is kind of dumbness.
Well, all I can say is I experienced Islam in the prayer life, etc for a short duration ...I didn't just 'study' Islam. Sharia Law doesn't really touch my life, as I live in the US, and so it would have been easier for me to choose Islam, than not, to be honest. (from a cultural perspective)
Then wouldn't it be far more accurate to say something like: "there are a few isolated facets of Islam I like" ?
What you're saying is like saying you like hamburgers except for the meat.