What makes you think I'm lucky?
Because you might have ended differently.
Excuse me, but what's with the insulting hyperbole? Women and men are pressured to look a certain way. Men are pressured to be fit, toned, muscular and expected to be taller (there's a rather brutal surgery to lengthen the bones in your legs over time and make you taller and I think it's mostly men who undergo it). There's also men who suffer from things like anorexia and many men suffer from negative body image issues from the standards placed on men.
I assume you are talking about the West. In muslim society's men are not pressured at all to look like anything you describe. It is not about looks in Islaam.
As for the West, I find that the West is one of the least sexist societies when viewed from a global perspective. This is because the West tends to emphasize individualism more than most other cultures. People may judge you or look down on you for being a certain way, but that's how humans are. However, no one can force you to be one way or the other in the West, unless you allow them to. You can't throw acid on women or murder them because of how they dress or exercising their independence in other ways.
Thats not how humans should be. The West seems to accept all the bad traits of humans and turn it into something acceptable. That is never a solution, it leads to more and more problems as we can clearly see looking at America for example. The freedom you have is not the freedom you should want honestly.
As for objectification, we all do it to an extent. First, you'll have to clarify exactly what you mean by that. When you find someone sexually attractive, you tend to focus on their body a lot, especially when you don't know the person or are just beginning to know them. Males and females of all sexual orientations do it. That's just normal. The only problem is when it turns abusive and you ignore the humanity of the person. But you would have to interact with them in order for it to hurt them, however. Merely having lust for someone, whether it's by seeing them on the street or watching porn or reading erotic literature, isn't harming them. It's when you are viewing them less than a full-fledged, multi-dimensional human being and acting that way towards them that it becomes problematic.
Well earlier you said that wearing a niqab* erases your identity and now you say it is ok to objectify as long as you dont take away the humanity.
The double standards amaze me everytime..Do you even realize what you are saying?
In fact, religions and cultures that mandate that a woman dress "modestly" objectify women far more since the underlying reasoning is that women are inherently "temptresses" and "harlots" which lead men into "sin". So males think they're "protecting" females from their own sexuality (and it's only males who have come up with such crap in the first place). But what is happening is that you're devaluing the woman's humanity by erasing the signs of her individual personhood (her hair, face, etc.). It's known that many Muslim men treat women very badly and treat their wives as baby factories, always having them knocked up and even taken on multiple wives. Many Muslim immigrants in Europe view Western women as lesser, such as being "sluts" that it's okay to use and abuse (there's been many cases of rape and organized sex abuse rings run by Muslims in Europe and inflicted on European women and children).
I see you are objectifying again. A woman that wears a niqab is not a human to you.
In Islaam, women are not viewed as less. They are different. Both genders have different roles, they cannot be equal. Sure you can try and fight basic human nature with politics, media but you can't change that. Fact of life my friend.
And i am not interest in rape commited by 'muslims'. Just in America alone, every 2 minutes a woman gets raped.
You are not interested in that are you?
Reality about women in Quran:
O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may Take away part of the dower ye have given them,-except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of good.
You see that sort of behavior in pretty much all patriarchal religious sects, so it's not only in Islam. The only difference is degree. Judaism and Christianity have been forced into reforming to a large extent, thanks to the influence of secular culture that arose after the Enlightenment. Islam hasn't had such an influence to such an extent, but it's beginning to ramp up now thanks to global media and the Internet exposing people to different viewpoints.
We don't need secular BS laws. Keep them in America, so far its working out fantastic over there! I mean minus the racism,drugs,rape,segregation,discrimination,poverty,homelessness,pedophilia,massmurdering,robberies,copkilling,hatecrimes, sexism etc its fantastic!
So you think you're opposing "objectifying" women, but you're actually reifying and upholding it far more than anyone else! Good job!
Says the man who views women as non-human because they dress a certain way.
No, it's called a niqab.
From what I know, the niqab is mostly worn by Muslim women influenced by or living under Wahabi Islam. There are some who are rebelling against Western or more liberal culture and upbringings by donning it on their own. Call them self-haters, I guess. However, there are others who are basically forced into it by their culture, such as with the burqa under the Taliban, or in Iran where even visiting female Western journalists must veil themselves.
No there is no Islamic basis for a niqab, just like there is no islamic basis for women to not be allowed to drive a car in Saudi Arabia. This is cultural not religious.
How the hell is this evidence? If you do not have facts to back it up, just say so. These are stories and YouTube videos.
I mean you wouldn't call this evidence right?
You will have to clarify. What media are you paying attention to? Ads? The fashion industry? Straight porn? What? That's such a broad statement as to be meaningless.
Media uses women for money. Ads use women 9 out of 10 times half naked for money. Fashion industry labels women as in fat, ugly, short.
Overall women are treated based on their appearance, and you should not defend this if you truly believe women are equal.
) gave some examples out of so many.
