An oversight

[Gerald Kelleher]

I came back here for a flying visit and nothing more.

This is the 21st century where the astronomical events of the full moon and the March Equinox can be determined to an exact time and date. There is no excuse whatsoever for getting the date wrong for the most sacred day in the Christian calendar as denominational Christianity has done this year.

Although the clerics can invoke a fuzzy 'Paschal full moon' as an escape clause the fact is that the astronomical event of the full moon took place at 12:06 UTC on Saturday but by the barest of margins it was already Sunday in an area of the planet.

The rule for Easter Sunday is that it occurs on the first Sunday following a full moon after the March Equinox but if the full moon occurs on a Sunday then Easter is set for the following Sunday. As Easter is a global event it should be a matter of course to designate Easter within the parameters of the astronomical events as they actually happen and dispense with fictional 'Paschal full moons'.

So, Easter Sunday should take place on the 12th April to take into account that Easter is a global event as are the times and dates of the full moon and the Equinox. A mistake is always an opportunity to correct and improve as that was the fate of St Peter however the Church that represents that apostle neither knows nor wants to know .

 

[Nietzsche]

I came back here for a flying visit and nothing more.

This is the 21st century where the astronomical events of the full moon and the March Equinox can be determined to an exact time and date. There is no excuse whatsoever for getting the date wrong for the most sacred day in the Christian calendar as denominational Christianity has done this year.

Although the clerics can invoke a fuzzy 'Paschal full moon' as an escape clause the fact is that the astronomical event of the full moon took place at 12:06 UTC on Saturday but by the barest of margins it was already Sunday in an area of the planet.

The rule for Easter Sunday is that it occurs on the first Sunday following a full moon after the March Equinox but if the full moon occurs on a Sunday then Easter is set for the following Sunday. As Easter is a global event it should be a matter of course to designate Easter within the parameters of the astronomical events as they actually happen and dispense with fictional 'Paschal full moons'.

So, Easter Sunday should take place on the 12th April to take into account that Easter is a global event as are the times and dates of the full moon and the Equinox. A mistake is always an opportunity to correct and improve as that was the fate of St Peter however the Church that represents that apostle neither knows nor wants to know .

You do know that feast-days and holy days have always been rather fluid in regards to when they're observed, right?

 

[oldbadger]

I went to check up on 'who' decides Easter's date, and the first www entry has been copied for you, below:-
It looks as if you could possibly be wrong, but you would need to check up on those exact rules as mentioned....

1. The Eastern Christian churches still determine the Easter dates using the older Julian Calendar method. The usual statement, that Easter Day is the first Sunday after the full moon that occurs next after the vernal equinox, is not a precise statement of the actual ecclesiastical rules.

 

[Gerald Kelleher]

I went to check up on 'who' decides Easter's date, and the first www entry has been copied for you, below:-
It looks as if you could possibly be wrong, but you would need to check up on those exact rules as mentioned....

I am correct, if the full moon occurred at 12:06 UTC then it was already Sunday in New Zealand. By the rules which determine Easter as the Sunday following the full moon after the March Equinox, Easter should happen on April 12th 2015 insofar as it is a global event all all areas of the planet should have been taken into account.

"If the full moon falls on a Sunday, then Easter is the following Sunday. The holiday can occur anywhere between March 22 and April 25."

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/movablefeasts1.html

The full moon occurs when the moon's orbit puts the Earth between the Sun and the moon at a specific time and date so although the old clerics could be excused because accurate watches only emerged a few centuries ago, there is no excuse for contemporaries who have the information for the Equinox and the full moon before them.

We live in an era where people can't even manage to associate the Sun moving from horizon to horizon followed by the stars coming into view with a single rotation of the Earth so none of this is surprising -

"During one orbit around the Sun, Earth rotates about its own axis 366.26 times "

Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is an era where astronomy,terrestrial sciences and religion are no longer practiced in any meaningful way. The wrong date for Easter Sunday merely focuses attention that the morose dominate and that it can't be any other way.

 

[psychoslice]

Who really cares when it takes place, its just another day, there is nothing magical about any day, so why bother ?.

 

[Gerald Kelleher]

Who really cares when it takes place, its just another day, there is nothing magical about any day, so why bother ?.

That is quite a signature you got going there about spirit yet spirit is that creative and productive facility by which all people make sense of their surroundings in their journey through this life. Indifference is a death in itself so asking me why you or anyone else should care about these things misses the point and especially this area where the individual and Universal merge in physical terms.

The last time I visited the forum I went to great lengths to demonstrate that the graceful arc of the Sun from horizon to horizon within each 24 hours followed by the amazing spectacle of the celestial arena is a consequence of a single rotation of the Earth where 24 hour days and rotations never fall out of step. I did this because the dominant belief, using a type of conjured up fiction, insists that there are more rotations than days -

" During one orbit around the Sun, Earth rotates about its own axis 366.26 times "

Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As an extension of your previous response you could ask why anyone should care what causes a gorgeous sunset, how the rhythms of all life respond to each rotation, how human ingenuity give us timekeeping and multiple other issues but it only shows that while many can preach and chatter about spirit, few actually feel its presence in their lives and all life.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The last time I visited the forum I went to great lengths to demonstrate that the graceful arc of the Sun from horizon to horizon within each 24 hours followed by the amazing spectacle of the celestial arena is a consequence of a single rotation of the Earth where 24 hour days and rotations never fall out of step.

Glad I missed that one.

 

[David M]

Glad I missed that one.

Would have been amusing to watch, considering that a "day" is not really exactly 24 hours and that the numbers all revolve around which definitions of Day and Year are being used.

 

[Gerald Kelleher]

Would have been amusing to watch, considering that a "day" is not really exactly 24 hours and that the numbers all revolve around which definitions of Day and Year are being used.

This is a religious forum and the most immediate spiritual experience is observing the graceful arc of the Sun from horizon to horizon followed by the appearance of the stars as a complete package due to a single rotation of the Earth. You don't need to count nor need a watch - it should be taken as a matter of course that one rotation follows the next just as one 24 hour day follows the next.

Sadly we live in the empirical era where there is a refusal to accept this fact as it is passed on from one generation to the next like a virus through the classrooms of schools and colleges -

"During one orbit around the Sun, Earth rotates about its own axis 366.26 times" Main 'Earth' article Wikipedia

"Easy question: How many days are there in one year? Answer: 365.25, rounded to the nearest quarter of a day. Harder question: How many times does Earth rotate in one year? Answer: 366.25, rounded to the nearest quarter of a day. Earth rotates once more than the number of days in the year? How can this possibly be so? Lets see."

Extra Day

The only extra rotation is February 29th which closes out 4 orbital circuits of the Earth around the Sun insofar as we gauge the orbital cycle using full rotations to a close approximation . As February 29th is the 1461st rotation across 4 orbital circuits it reduces to 365 1/4 rotations to one circuit or the 365 days 6 hours it takes the planet to circle the Sun. We omit 6 hours of orbital motion each non leap year of 365 days/rotations but pick the ommission up as the February 29th day/rotation.

To be religious means to have that spirit where observations light up with meaning and it is generally such a satisfying exercise. The empirical cult conjures up its own morose conclusion which defies the most immediate fact known to humanity as it watches the progression of the Sun and the appearance of the stars and the magnificence of the celestial arena as the planet turns once each day.

None of you are ashamed to live in an era where the most basic experience which connects the individual to the Universal in a physical way is denied for a stupid mistake made in the late 17th century which asserts that the Earth is into the next full rotation after 23 hours 56 minutes 04 seconds hence the 'extra' rotation that exists only in the heads of those who know no better.

 

[Kuzcotopia]

This is a religious forum and the most immediate spiritual experience is observing the graceful arc of the Sun from horizon to horizon followed by the appearance of the stars as a complete package due to a single rotation of the Earth. You don't need to count nor need a watch - it should be taken as a matter of course that one rotation follows the next just as one 24 hour day follows the next.

Sadly we live in the empirical era where there is a refusal to accept this fact as it is passed on from one generation to the next like a virus through the classrooms of schools and colleges -

"During one orbit around the Sun, Earth rotates about its own axis 366.26 times" Main 'Earth' article Wikipedia

"Easy question: How many days are there in one year? Answer: 365.25, rounded to the nearest quarter of a day. Harder question: How many times does Earth rotate in one year? Answer: 366.25, rounded to the nearest quarter of a day. Earth rotates once more than the number of days in the year? How can this possibly be so? Lets see."

Extra Day

The only extra rotation is February 29th which closes out 4 orbital circuits of the Earth around the Sun insofar as we gauge the orbital cycle using full rotations to a close approximation . As February 29th is the 1461st rotation across 4 orbital circuits it reduces to 365 1/4 rotations to one circuit or the 365 days 6 hours it takes the planet to circle the Sun. We omit 6 hours of orbital motion each non leap year of 365 days/rotations but pick the ommission up as the February 29th day/rotation.

To be religious means to have that spirit where observations light up with meaning and it is generally such a satisfying exercise. The empirical cult conjures up its own morose conclusion which defies the most immediate fact known to humanity as it watches the progression of the Sun and the appearance of the stars and the magnificence of the celestial arena as the planet turns once each day.

None of you are ashamed to live in an era where the most basic experience which connects the individual to the Universal in a physical way is denied for a stupid mistake made in the late 17th century which asserts that the Earth is into the next full rotation after 23 hours 56 minutes 04 seconds hence the 'extra' rotation that exists only in the heads of those who know no better.

Bummer you feel that way. Enjoy your "spirit" in good health.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

This is a religious forum and the most immediate spiritual experience is observing the graceful arc of the Sun from horizon to horizon followed by the appearance of the stars as a complete package due to a single rotation of the Earth. You don't need to count nor need a watch - it should be taken as a matter of course that one rotation follows the next just as one 24 hour day follows the next.

With very simply observation that doesn't even require any fancy science tools, but with nothing more than two sticks and some thing to mark the passage of the sun you will realize that sun-up-to-sun-down is not 24 hours, and if you track the data long enough you will notice that the rotation speed of the earth does not remain constant. You don't even have to actually measure the degrees of the position of the sun to realize this.
The day is "24 hours" only because we say it is. This 24 hour day is not, at all, congruent with the natural rotations of the earth.

 

[Gerald Kelleher]

Bummer you feel that way. Enjoy your "spirit" in good health.

I assure you that when the Sun appears each day followed by the appearance of the stars it is a consequence of a single rotation and some people often experience the event in a religious way as it enhances the appreciation of the journey through the day or the connection between the individual and Universal in a physical way-

Empiricists would rather die with a lie than live with a fact and truth as their ugly and flawed reasoning doesn't rise to ability to associate the Sun appearing followed by the stars as a single rotation.

"During one orbit around the Sun, Earth rotates about its own axis 366.26 times "
Wikipedia , 'Earth' article

Living among people who are neither scientific or religious is also quite an experience for who has raised surprise or astonishment that humans could believe such a thing as more rotations than 24 hour days ?.

 

[Gerald Kelleher]

With very simply observation that doesn't even require any fancy science tools, but with nothing more than two sticks and some thing to mark the passage of the sun you will realize that sun-up-to-sun-down is not 24 hours, and if you track the data long enough you will notice that the rotation speed of the earth does not remain constant. You don't even have to actually measure the degrees of the position of the sun to realize this.
The day is "24 hours" only because we say it is. This 24 hour day is not, at all, congruent with the natural rotations of the earth.

The stupid reasoning is that the Earth is into its next full rotation after 23 hours 56 minutes 04 seconds therefore the 3 minute 56 second difference to 24 hours accumulates to one more extra rotation than there are 24 hour days in a year or as the empiricists would have it - 1465 rotations in 1461 days corresponding from March 1st one year to February 29th four years later and 4 annual circuits of the Earth around the Sun.

Forget your sticks, watch the sun rise and set and followed by the appearance of the stars and I assure you too that a single rotation is behind it with each of these almost religious events following one after the other and never fall out of step.

Had NASA said the Earth was flat it would have as much meaning as the following statement -

"The Earth spins on its axis about 366 and 1/4 times each year, but there are only 365 and 1/4 days per year." NASA

Ask an Astrophysicist: Earth and Moon

So,again, forget your sticks and decide that a single rotation causes the appearance stars to follow the appearance Sun each day. It is not only a test of intelligence but also sanity.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Forget your sticks, watch the sun rise and set and followed by the appearance of the stars and I assure you too that a single rotation is behind it with each of these almost religious events following one after the other and never fall out of step.

Even without the sticks, you can see the sun does not match our 24-hour day, it's angles change, and the amount of daylight per day changes from day to day.

So,again, forget your sticks and decide that a single rotation causes the appearance stars to follow the appearance Sun each day. It is not only a test of intelligence but also sanity.

A rotation doesn't cause them to appear though. What about places with weeks of uninterrupted darkness? What about places were you can easily see the stars before the sun sets?
It's no less arbitrary than my own way of defining a day as going to bed to end it, and waking up to begin it. We have to have a leap year every four years just our calendar and the natural cycle can get somewhat back into alignment.

 

[Kuzcotopia]

I assure you that when the Sun appears each day followed by the appearance of the stars it is a consequence of a single rotation and some often people experience it in a religious way as it enhances the appreciation of the journey through the day or the connection between the individual and Universal in a physical way-

Empiricists would rather die with a lie than live with a fact and truth as their ugly and flawed reasoning doesn't rise to ability to associate the Sun appearing followed by the stars as a single rotation.

"During one orbit around the Sun, Earth rotates about its own axis 366.26 times "
Wikipedia , 'Earth' article

Living among people who are neither scientific or religious is also quite an experience for who has raised surprise or astonishment that humans could believe such a thing as more rotations than 24 hour days ?.

You seem to be confusing an appreciation of beauty with superstition.

 

[Gerald Kelleher]

Even without the sticks, you can see the sun does not match our 24-hour day, it's angles change, and the amount of daylight per day changes from day to day.

A rotation doesn't cause them to appear though. What about places with weeks of uninterrupted darkness? What about places were you can easily see the stars before the sun sets?
It's no less arbitrary than my own way of defining a day as going to bed to end it, and waking up to begin it. We have to have a leap year every four years just our calendar and the natural cycle can get somewhat back into alignment.

Sorry my dear, it is a test of sanity for not only you but also everyone else in this forum. The Sun's graceful arc from horizon to horizon followed by the vast celestial arena and all the other stars as they come into view within each 24 hours is due to a single rotation .

The NASA website assigns 1465 rotations in 1461 days so we live in a world which doesn't appreciate a sunrise as an effect of a rotating Earth and the religious experience it gives so many people hence a world that is neither scientific or religious.

 

[Gerald Kelleher]

You seem to be confusing an appreciation of beauty with superstition.

Did you not enjoy the time lapse footage of a turning Earth and the central Sun as it disappears out of sight each day ?.

Non religious people dither around with meaningless academic junk where they imagine more rotations than the normal experience of the Sun appearing each day after the stars disappear from view.

So, check your sanity this evening or tomorrow morning and when it is all over don't consider how an entire civilization lost the most immediate experience of the Earth's daily rotation but rather how all life responds to the daily rhythms of that rotation.

 

[Kuzcotopia]

Did you not enjoy the time lapse footage of a turning Earth and the central Sun as it disappears out of sight each day ?.

Non religious people dither around with meaningless academic junk where they imagine more rotations than the normal experience of the Sun appearing each day after the stars disappear from view.

So, check your sanity this evening or tomorrow morning and when it is all over don't consider how an entire civilization lost the most immediate experience of the Earth's daily rotation but rather how all life responds to the daily rhythms of that rotation.

No, I'm a sophisticated robot getting my jollies posting on RF before recharging for the afternoon. I don't even have eyes, just complicated photon sensors that send data to 3D Hueristcs software . . I don't believe in a creator because mine died, leaving me alone in this dusty attic, alone.

He had almost finished by heart before he died. I was so close to being complete.

I've been waiting for you to show me the world's beauty. If I had tear ducts, I would cry.

 

[Gerald Kelleher]

No, I'm a sophisticated robot getting my jollies posting on RF before recharging for the afternoon. I don't even have eyes, just complicated photon sensors that send data to 3D Hueristcs software . . I don't believe in a creator because mine died, leaving me alone in this dusty attic, alone.

He had almost finished by heart before he died. I was so close to being complete.

I've been waiting for you to show me the world's beauty. If I had tear ducts, I would cry.

Charming.

All I saw were a number of people unable to affirm why the stars follow the appearance of the Sun each day and that represents an issue of sanity.

No science,no religion but a 21st century version of the tower of Babel.

 

[Kuzcotopia]

Charming.

All I saw were a number of people unable to affirm why the stars follow the appearance of the Sun each day and that represents an issue of sanity.

No science,no religion but a 21st century version of the tower of Babel.

Maybe you should link another video.