I should tell all my tenants to give me tips instead of rent.
Woo hoo!
I wouldn't have to pay any income tax!
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An unjust tax that should never have been levied!!
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Woo hoo!
I wouldn't have to pay any income tax!
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A mere unsupported statement is rather worthless in a debate. Especially when those on the other side have demonstrated this to be wrong. If this really is an "unfair act" don't you think that the correct action is to work against it? I can see that the homeless need help and that that may be due to "unfair" conditions. I am still not going to give them money. That only makes their condition worse in the long run. I don't have to eat out, If necessary I could go to fast food places when I need food away from home. If I thought that servers were not being paid properly I would eat only at fast food places. By the way, servers tend to do MUCH better than workers at McDonald's when it comes to wages.
I don't see this as unfair. I used to be a server myself. I paid my taxes when I was one. Not gladly, but then even the rich tend to complain when they pay taxes
You need to find evidence that supports your claim if you want people to take you seriously. Right now you merely look like you are complaining fruitlessly about a situation that you do not like and probably worse, you still go out to eat. That would mean that you are part of your own perceived problem.
This illustrates what seems to be the problem with this conversation. Indiana doesn't "allow such low pay", they allow low wages. Wages are only a small part of the pay, for any server who is at all competent.
I don't know if you've ever been to the same restaurant and had dramatically different experiences depending on the quality of the service. I have. When I Tip, it's no gift. I compensate the server for their work. I could easily order the same meal twice, and tip one server double what I do another because one earned it and the other didn't.
Frankly, I would probably avoid a place where lousy service gets the staff the same pay as outstanding service.
Tom
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Service can make the experience so much better, or worse. And so can particular chefs. At what used to be one of my favorite haunts I could always tell when one particular chef was working. Everything was just a bit better when he cooked it. And you are right, better waiters will earn a larger tips. For a variable system it still seems to be the best solution out there.
If that were the approach, then tipped staff wouldn't be exempt from the normal minimum wage.
So when you're the customer, the sever is your employee?
You have no experience with the IRS, do you?
You cannot apply ordinary reasoning when they're involved!
In a way, very much so.
That doesn't mean I am handling their finances. But I know that they are working for me and I am paying them.
Tom
So you aren't remitting social security on their behalf, but the server has a degree of accountability to you.
The server is also working for the restaurant while they're working for you. Aren't they in a conflict of interest?
In other industries, when you're doing business with a company and you pay their employee to get better treatment from the company, they call it a kickback. Is there an ethical difference between a kickback and a tip?
Isn't who in a conflict of interest? The restaurant and the waiter have the same goal, get me to part with cash as often and much as possible. It's the flat wages employees who have the conflict of interest with the establishment. How little can they get away with doing and still get paid, while the restaurant wants to pay as little as possible and still sell meals. A tipped employee is more like a partner with the restaurant, both do better when the whole thing works out.
Sure. But I don't consider a tip anything like a kickback under normal circumstances. It's an expected part of normal operations. And it works better for everyone, waiter and customers and establishment.
Tom
Who is fooling who on the topic. All of my life I assumed 100% of the tip I give/gave went to the waiter. It was a gift I made between me and the waiter and no one else; period. Now at 67 I find out that government taxes this tip making my gift even less. This is a scam plain and simple & it must stop. Those here who defend this scam are co-scammers themselves.
The Truth Will Set You free
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The Truth Will Set You free
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Gift or not it is income. And our government can and does tax income. No scam. No cheat. In the real world we have to pay taxes.Who is fooling who on the topic. All of my life I assumed 100% of the tip I give/gave went to the waiter. It was a gift I made between me and the waiter and no one else; period. Now at 67 I find out that government taxes this tip making my gift even less. This is a scam plain and simple & it must stop. Those here who defend this scam are co-scammers themselves.
The Truth Will Set You free
If you want to change anyone's mind you need something that is a lot stronger than a failed emotional argument.
Ok, my advice is to give any tips in cash and tell the recipient it is a gift, not a tip
The IRS doesn't care what we call things.
They go by their own rules.
And there's a small risk of not declaring the tips.
If one's lifestyle exceeds one's reported income,
they could claim fraud. And under their rules,
one is guilty until proven innocent.
As long as you compensate them appropriately, about 15%, they'll smile and thank you.
They will probably be thinking something else, since they know what the reality is. But your delusions won't impact them at all, provided you do actually pay them. That's what they care about.
Tom
Trump should mandate that all tips/gifts given should be delegated to pay for his defense in his upcoming impeachment and possible jail time.
Don't give him any ideas. He is famous for screwing the little people and convincing them that he Truly Loves them.
Tom
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The president is not king, no matter what Trump thinks.