Angels and Jinn in the Quran.

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Salam

Some people assert that Angels are saints of humans and Jinn are evil humans. I will be showing this is not the case per Quran.

Case 1 - Context of Angels in Surah Zukhruf

وَجَعَلُوا الْمَلَائِكَةَ الَّذِينَ هُمْ عِبَادُ الرَّحْمَٰنِ إِنَاثًا ۚ أَشَهِدُوا خَلْقَهُمْ ۚ سَتُكْتَبُ شَهَادَتُهُمْ وَيُسْأَلُونَ | They have made the angels—who are servants of the All-beneficent—females. Were they witness to their creation? Their testimony will be written down and they shall be questioned. | Az-Zukhruf : 19

This comes in context of:

أَمِ اتَّخَذَ مِمَّا يَخْلُقُ بَنَاتٍ وَأَصْفَاكُمْ بِالْبَنِينَ | Did He adopt daughters from what He creates while He preferred you with sons? | Az-Zukhruf : 16



وَاسْأَلْ مَنْ أَرْسَلْنَا مِنْ قَبْلِكَ مِنْ رُسُلِنَا أَجَعَلْنَا مِنْ دُونِ الرَّحْمَٰنِ آلِهَةً يُعْبَدُونَ | Ask those of Our apostles We have sent before you: Did We set up any gods to be worshipped besides the All-beneficent? | Az-Zukhruf : 45

This verse shows Mohammad (s) can contact and ask such a question, however, it's rhetorical, and there is no need. But what are the gods they would worship? Per other verses they are Jinn and other verses they are Angels. The synthesis is that it's not truly Angels, but Jinn. But if the Jinn were high and exalted as they say, they would be Angels.

Per Quran, disbelievers such as Pharaoh would suggest that if Prophets were true, then Angels would accompany them:

فَلَوْلَا أُلْقِيَ عَلَيْهِ أَسْوِرَةٌ مِنْ ذَهَبٍ أَوْ جَاءَ مَعَهُ الْمَلَائِكَةُ مُقْتَرِنِينَ | Why no bracelets of gold have been thrown to him, nor any angels accompany him as escorts?’ | Az-Zukhruf : 53


The Angels does not make sense to be humans, this is furthermore explained that Angels are not ruling/representing God on earth:

وَلَوْ نَشَاءُ لَجَعَلْنَا مِنْكُمْ مَلَائِكَةً فِي الْأَرْضِ يَخْلُفُونَ | Had We wished We would have set angels from you ruling/succeeding/representing on the earth. | Az-Zukhruf : 60

This in context also the position of Isa (a), which the polytheists would argue by:

وَقَالُوا أَآلِهَتُنَا خَيْرٌ أَمْ هُوَ ۚ مَا ضَرَبُوهُ لَكَ إِلَّا جَدَلًا ۚ بَلْ هُمْ قَوْمٌ خَصِمُونَ | They say, ‘Are our gods better or he?’ They cite him to you only for the sake of contention. Indeed, they are a contentious lot. | Az-Zukhruf : 58

And indeed, it says:

إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا عَبْدٌ أَنْعَمْنَا عَلَيْهِ وَجَعَلْنَاهُ مَثَلًا لِبَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ | He was just a servant whom we favored regarding and made an exemplar for the Children of Israel. | Az-Zukhruf : 59


وَإِنَّهُ لَعِلْمٌ لِلسَّاعَةِ فَلَا تَمْتَرُنَّ بِهَا وَاتَّبِعُونِ ۚ هَٰذَا صِرَاطٌ مُسْتَقِيمٌ | [Say,] ‘Indeed he is a portent of the Hour; so do not doubt it and follow me. This is a straight path. | Az-Zukhruf : 61

This verse furthermore explains the importance of Isa (a) - and while not an Angel, he is a portent of the hour.


I will continue to show the context of Angels and Jinn in the Quran.

 

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Aba Sadiq from him is peace explained the matter of Angels, jinn and extraterrestrials in detail

 

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Aba Sadiq from him is peace explained the matter of Angels, jinn and extraterrestrials in detail

Not interested in what that guy has to say.

 

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Salam

Some people assert that Angels are saints of humans and Jinn are evil humans. I will be showing this is not the case per Quran.

Case 1 - Context of Angels in Surah Zukhruf

وَجَعَلُوا الْمَلَائِكَةَ الَّذِينَ هُمْ عِبَادُ الرَّحْمَٰنِ إِنَاثًا ۚ أَشَهِدُوا خَلْقَهُمْ ۚ سَتُكْتَبُ شَهَادَتُهُمْ وَيُسْأَلُونَ | They have made the angels—who are servants of the All-beneficent—females. Were they witness to their creation? Their testimony will be written down and they shall be questioned. | Az-Zukhruf : 19

This comes in context of:

أَمِ اتَّخَذَ مِمَّا يَخْلُقُ بَنَاتٍ وَأَصْفَاكُمْ بِالْبَنِينَ | Did He adopt daughters from what He creates while He preferred you with sons? | Az-Zukhruf : 16



وَاسْأَلْ مَنْ أَرْسَلْنَا مِنْ قَبْلِكَ مِنْ رُسُلِنَا أَجَعَلْنَا مِنْ دُونِ الرَّحْمَٰنِ آلِهَةً يُعْبَدُونَ | Ask those of Our apostles We have sent before you: Did We set up any gods to be worshipped besides the All-beneficent? | Az-Zukhruf : 45

This verse shows Mohammad (s) can contact and ask such a question, however, it's rhetorical, and there is no need. But what are the gods they would worship? Per other verses they are Jinn and other verses they are Angels. The synthesis is that it's not truly Angels, but Jinn. But if the Jinn were high and exalted as they say, they would be Angels.

Per Quran, disbelievers such as Pharaoh would suggest that if Prophets were true, then Angels would accompany them:

فَلَوْلَا أُلْقِيَ عَلَيْهِ أَسْوِرَةٌ مِنْ ذَهَبٍ أَوْ جَاءَ مَعَهُ الْمَلَائِكَةُ مُقْتَرِنِينَ | Why no bracelets of gold have been thrown to him, nor any angels accompany him as escorts?’ | Az-Zukhruf : 53


The Angels does not make sense to be humans, this is furthermore explained that Angels are not ruling/representing God on earth:

وَلَوْ نَشَاءُ لَجَعَلْنَا مِنْكُمْ مَلَائِكَةً فِي الْأَرْضِ يَخْلُفُونَ | Had We wished We would have set angels from you ruling/succeeding/representing on the earth. | Az-Zukhruf : 60

This in context also the position of Isa (a), which the polytheists would argue by:

وَقَالُوا أَآلِهَتُنَا خَيْرٌ أَمْ هُوَ ۚ مَا ضَرَبُوهُ لَكَ إِلَّا جَدَلًا ۚ بَلْ هُمْ قَوْمٌ خَصِمُونَ | They say, ‘Are our gods better or he?’ They cite him to you only for the sake of contention. Indeed, they are a contentious lot. | Az-Zukhruf : 58

And indeed, it says:

إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا عَبْدٌ أَنْعَمْنَا عَلَيْهِ وَجَعَلْنَاهُ مَثَلًا لِبَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ | He was just a servant whom we favored regarding and made an exemplar for the Children of Israel. | Az-Zukhruf : 59


وَإِنَّهُ لَعِلْمٌ لِلسَّاعَةِ فَلَا تَمْتَرُنَّ بِهَا وَاتَّبِعُونِ ۚ هَٰذَا صِرَاطٌ مُسْتَقِيمٌ | [Say,] ‘Indeed he is a portent of the Hour; so do not doubt it and follow me. This is a straight path. | Az-Zukhruf : 61

This verse furthermore explains the importance of Isa (a) - and while not an Angel, he is a portent of the hour.


I will continue to show the context of Angels and Jinn in the Quran.

Jinns have multiple interpretations. There are good Jinns who are believers, and there are Jinns who are disbelievers.
Depending on the context this can be understood.
All of those explained here:

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From the link you gave:

In relation to God, the term “angels” referreth to the Prophets of God and His Messengers

How can that be, when disbelievers through out Quran were saying why aren't Angels sent down instead or come with the Messengers or that the disbelievers made to as well see the Angels?

As well what I presented in the opening post, refutes this.

 

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From the link you gave:

In relation to God, the term “angels” referreth to the Prophets of God and His Messengers

How can that be, when disbelievers through out Quran were saying why aren't Angels sent down instead or come with the Messengers or that the disbelievers made to as well see the Angels?

As well what I presented in the opening post, refutes this.

Because disbelievers imagined that Angels are extraordinary beings who fly to God and come. So, they asked Muhammad to show an angel if He is really a Prophet.

"If We had made it an angel, We should have sent him as a man, and We should certainly have caused them confusion in a matter which they have already covered with confusion" Quran 6:9

What are they confused about?
The answer is in the verse. They didn't realize Muhammad Himself is the Angel Gabriel.

And the verse before it confirmed that No such angel as people imagined was ever sent down with Him, because if God had created such extraordinary Angels that disbelievers imagined, then they had no free will. They would have no time to believe or disbelieve.

"They say: Why hath not an angel been sent down unto him? If We sent down an angel, then the matter would be judged; no further time would be allowed them (for reflection)" Quran 6:8



Baha'u'llah explains this verse that if God had created and sent down such Angels disbelievers imagined then,

"... such consternation would immediately seize all the dwellers of the earth that no soul would feel able to utter a word, much less to reject or accept the truth." Baha'u'llah, Iqan

 

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With addition to what is presented in the OP, there are other verses showing human Messengers are not Angels per Quran:

قُلْ لَوْ كَانَ فِي الْأَرْضِ مَلَائِكَةٌ يَمْشُونَ مُطْمَئِنِّينَ لَنَزَّلْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ مِنَ السَّمَاءِ مَلَكًا رَسُولًا | Say, ‘Had there been angels in the earth, walking around and residing [in it like humans do], We would have sent down to them an angel from the heaven as apostle.’ | Al-Israa : 95

This goes a long with the opening post which showed God has not made Angels into representatives or rulers on his behalf.

Furthermore Angels exist that for example have the role taking souls upon death:


إِنَّ الَّذِينَ تَوَفَّاهُمُ الْمَلَائِكَةُ ظَالِمِي أَنْفُسِهِمْ قَالُوا فِيمَ كُنْتُمْ ۖ قَالُوا كُنَّا مُسْتَضْعَفِينَ فِي الْأَرْضِ ۚ قَالُوا أَلَمْ تَكُنْ أَرْضُ اللَّهِ وَاسِعَةً فَتُهَاجِرُوا فِيهَا ۚ فَأُولَٰئِكَ مَأْوَاهُمْ جَهَنَّمُ ۖ وَسَاءَتْ مَصِيرًا | Indeed, those whom the angels take away while they are wronging themselves, they ask, ‘What state were you in?’ They reply, ‘We were oppressed in the land.’ They say, ‘Was not Allah’s earth vast enough so that you might migrate in it?’ The refuge of such shall be hell, and it is an evil destination. | An-Nisaa : 97

الَّذِينَ تَتَوَفَّاهُمُ الْمَلَائِكَةُ ظَالِمِي أَنْفُسِهِمْ ۖ فَأَلْقَوُا السَّلَمَ مَا كُنَّا نَعْمَلُ مِنْ سُوءٍ ۚ بَلَىٰ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ بِمَا كُنْتُمْ تَعْمَلُونَ | —Those whom the angels take away while they were wronging themselves. Thereat they submit: ‘We were not doing any evil!’ ‘Yes, [the angels say to them,] indeed Allah knows best what you used to do! | An-Nahl : 28

Furthermore, the type Angels talked about disbelievers are acknowledged to exist and are not imaginary beings:

وَقَالَ الَّذِينَ لَا يَرْجُونَ لِقَاءَنَا لَوْلَا أُنْزِلَ عَلَيْنَا الْمَلَائِكَةُ أَوْ نَرَىٰ رَبَّنَا ۗ لَقَدِ اسْتَكْبَرُوا فِي أَنْفُسِهِمْ وَعَتَوْا عُتُوًّا كَبِيرًا | Those who do not expect to encounter Us say, ‘Why have angels not been sent down to us, or why do we not see our Lord?’ Certainly, they are full of arrogance within their souls and have become terribly defiant. | Al-Furqaan : 21

يَوْمَ يَرَوْنَ الْمَلَائِكَةَ لَا بُشْرَىٰ يَوْمَئِذٍ لِلْمُجْرِمِينَ وَيَقُولُونَ حِجْرًا مَحْجُورًا | The day they will see the angels, there will be no good news for the guilty on that day, and they will say, ‘Keep off [from paradise]!’ | Al-Furqaan : 22

وَقَدِمْنَا إِلَىٰ مَا عَمِلُوا مِنْ عَمَلٍ فَجَعَلْنَاهُ هَبَاءً مَنْثُورًا | Then We shall attend to the works they have done and then turn them into scattered dust. | Al-Furqaan : 23

 

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"If We had made it an angel, We should have sent him as a man, and We should certainly have caused them confusion in a matter which they have already covered with confusion" Quran 6:9

Per Quran there are men from Jinn and men from humans, so here it's more so about being male. The disbelievers were saying Angels over all were female and worshiped female deities. They ascribed mostly daughters to God.

 

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Per Quran there are men from Jinn and men from humans, so here it's more so about being male. The disbelievers were saying Angels over all were female and worshiped female deities. They ascribed mostly daughters to God.

If the verse was about saying the Angels are male, why didn't use the word ذكر

In other verses Allah uses the word ذكر if He wants to talk about Gender:

لِّـلَّـهِ مُلۡكُ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالۡاَرۡضِ ؕ يَخۡلُقُ مَا يَشَآءُ ؕ يَهَبُ لِمَنۡ يَّشَآءُ اِنَاثًا وَّيَهَبُ لِمَنۡ يَّشَآءُ الذُّكُوۡرَ

He creates whatever He pleases. He grants females to whomever He pleases and males to whomever He pleases, (42:50)

The Term رجل is specifically for human male. If Angels were not human, this word would not have been used for them.

وَلَوۡ جَعَلۡنَـٰهُ مَلَكࣰا لَّجَعَلۡنَـٰهُ رَجُلࣰا وَلَلَبَسۡنَا عَلَیۡهِم مَّا یَلۡبِسُونَ

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If the verse was about saying the Angels are male, why didn't use the word ذكر

In other verses Allah uses the word ذكر if He wants to talk about Gender:

لِّـلَّـهِ مُلۡكُ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَالۡاَرۡضِ ؕ يَخۡلُقُ مَا يَشَآءُ ؕ يَهَبُ لِمَنۡ يَّشَآءُ اِنَاثًا وَّيَهَبُ لِمَنۡ يَّشَآءُ الذُّكُوۡرَ

He creates whatever He pleases. He grants females to whomever He pleases and males to whomever He pleases, (42:50)

The Term رجل is specifically for human male. If Angels were not human, this word would not have been used for them.

وَلَوۡ جَعَلۡنَـٰهُ مَلَكࣰا لَّجَعَلۡنَـٰهُ رَجُلࣰا وَلَلَبَسۡنَا عَلَیۡهِم مَّا یَلۡبِسُونَ

6:9

Both uses are fine. For example:

وَأَنَّهُ كَانَ رِجَالٌ مِنَ الْإِنْسِ يَعُوذُونَ بِرِجَالٍ مِنَ الْجِنِّ فَزَادُوهُمْ رَهَقًا | Indeed some men from the humans would seek the protection of some men from the jinn, thus only adding to their rebellion. | Al-Jinn : 6

 

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Both uses are fine. For example:

وَأَنَّهُ كَانَ رِجَالٌ مِنَ الْإِنْسِ يَعُوذُونَ بِرِجَالٍ مِنَ الْجِنِّ فَزَادُوهُمْ رَهَقًا | Indeed some men from the humans would seek the protection of some men from the jinn, thus only adding to their rebellion. | Al-Jinn : 6

These are metaphors.
It means, indeed some believers (humans) are seeking company of disbelievers (Jinns). The reason you believe that there are other beings called Jinns, is because, you had heard so from those who interpreted the Quran literally. They didn't recognize these are Metaphors or Mutishabihaat. Most likely you heard about Jinns from your childhood, and thus believed it.

 

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These are metaphors.
It means, indeed some believers (humans) are seeking company of disbelievers (Jinns). The reason you believe that there are other beings called Jinns, is because, you had heard so from those who interpreted the Quran literally. They didn't recognize these are Metaphors or Mutishabihaat. Most likely you heard about Jinns from your childhood, and thus believed it.

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Jinn and Angels existed in the paradigm of the people there. Mohammad (s) was not making up a new word with Jinn for example. Anyways, the same Surah also says:

وَأَنَّا مِنَّا الْمُسْلِمُونَ وَمِنَّا الْقَاسِطُونَ ۖ فَمَنْ أَسْلَمَ فَأُولَٰئِكَ تَحَرَّوْا رَشَدًا | Among us some are Muslims and some of us are perverse.” ’ Those who submit [to Allah]—it is they who pursue rectitude. | Al-Jinn : 14

So the viewpoint that Jinn are disbelievers doesn't make sense even within the current context. The current context shows there are submitters and disbelievers.

 

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Jinn and Angels existed in the paradigm of the people there. Mohammad (s) was not making up a new word with Jinn for example. Anyways, the same Surah also says:

وَأَنَّا مِنَّا الْمُسْلِمُونَ وَمِنَّا الْقَاسِطُونَ ۖ فَمَنْ أَسْلَمَ فَأُولَٰئِكَ تَحَرَّوْا رَشَدًا | Among us some are Muslims and some of us are perverse.” ’ Those who submit [to Allah]—it is they who pursue rectitude. | Al-Jinn : 14

So the viewpoint that Jinn are disbelievers doesn't make sense even within the current context. The current context shows there are submitters and disbelievers.

Yes, the people in those days believed in Superstitious. In fact the word Majnoon مجنون، which now is understood as crazy, comes from the word Jinجن. They believed people who have mental illness, is because they are possessed by Jinns. Hence the word مجنون was made from the word جن. This is because they didn't have science to recognize why it is a mental illness. They came up with explanation that there must be some other beings who posses people and make them strange or different. We now know, it is not Jinns or any external beings. It is simply a problem with brain, or biochemistry of brain.

When Muhammad came to them, He had to use the same terms and beliefs they had to communicate with them. Prophets speak according to the culture and understanding of the people of their time. They dont come to completly oppose them, due to their wisdom.
Thus Muhammad used same word Jinn, as metaphor.

 

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The way Quran addresses the word majnoon better translated as possessed, it never once says mentally ill people are possessed, but rather shows that there is an evil Qareen for people who turn away from reminder of God and that the devils descend on every evil person. And there is a hadith from Prophet (s) when someone was suffering from that type of mental illness, he said, he is not "majnoon" but rather majnoon is a person who does not.. (mentions vices) and then says this person is just sick.

You are right that the term was used for both in culture, but the Quran not once confirmed the wrong usage.

The accusation against the Nabi (s) was not that he was mentally ill, but they were saying, the miracles he is performing is due to possession of Jinn and he does not realize it or that he is lying. They went through phases, sometimes accusation was that he was a liar, other times it was that he was unaware and was possessed.

However, the Quran acknowledges Angels and Jinn like I've been showing. The metaphorical meaning is impossible like I showed in the opening post and in more posts.

 

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The accusation against the Nabi (s) was not that he was mentally ill, but they were saying, the miracles he is performing is due to possession of Jinn and he does not realize it or that he is lying. They went through phases, sometimes accusation was that he was a liar, other times it was that he was unaware and was ...

prove this^

it is not so. They called him Majnoon Poet. Meaning, the verses of Quran, which are like poetry, were given to Muhammad through the influence of the Jinns. It is because, to them, the Quran was stupid. They made fun of the Quran, and were calling Muhammad Majnoon.

 

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prove this^

it is not so. They called him Majnoon Poet. Meaning, the verses of Quran, which are like poetry, were given to Muhammad through the influence of the Jinns. It is because, to them, the Quran was stupid. They made fun of the Quran, and were calling Muhammad Majnoon.

The way you play with language, it's almost impossible to prove anything to you.

The way I work with Quran is I let terms be contextualized unless it's impossible.


فَلَمَّا جَاءَتْهُمْ آيَاتُنَا مُبْصِرَةً قَالُوا هَٰذَا سِحْرٌ مُبِينٌ | But when Our signs came to them, as eye-openers, they said, ‘This is plain magic.’ | An-Naml : 13

But I think you deny Musa (a) did real physical miracles? So then it become increasingly difficult to prove that the first accusation all Messengers (a)
face is in terms of being accused of performing magic when they are really doing miracles from power from God:

كَذَٰلِكَ مَا أَتَى الَّذِينَ مِنْ قَبْلِهِمْ مِنْ رَسُولٍ إِلَّا قَالُوا سَاحِرٌ أَوْ مَجْنُونٌ | So it was that there did not come any Messenger to those who were before them but they said, ‘A sorcerer,’ or ‘possessed’ | Adh-Dhaariyat : 52

Since you don't accept physical miracles, it's hard to prove it. But you don't accept Angels or Jinn or day of judgment or hell or heaven, the way we accept them. So I don't know what I can do to prove anything to you.

At the end, the verses about physical miracles are clear as well, but you are so far gone in the mess in your head, that it's hard to prove anything from Quran to you.