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Why would she lie?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
There's many possibilities, and that she's lying isn't necessarily one of them.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I doubt she would lie. But I wonder what you believe about her visitations. Do you think it could be real or do you think it's a production of her brain as far as something gone wrong or not for real. There was a story in the news about a 10-year old boy who said he heard voices in his head for a while and took a gun from his mother's gun cabinet and shot and killed her. So yes, I'm asking you if you think she hears voices, or sees and hears things because her brain isn't wired correctly. Or imagines it and it has become like a reality for her now. Let me try to clarify, if possible. Do you think your friend is really in contact with spirit persons you are not in contact with, and if so, do you think these spirit persons are real? Not just for her reality, but for real in all realities where you are possibly not privy to these manifestations. I hope you understand my question better now.
No, I'm not saying she's lying.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
OK, checking, I see you said you don't believe what she does. (What does that mean? That you don't believe her, or what she does? Do you believe she is in contact with spirits claiming to be dead people?)
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I believe that my friend @Sgt. Pepper is really in contact with spirit persons and I believe these spirit persons are real. She has psychic abilities and she is a psychic medium. Not everyone has these abilities, few people do.Let me try to clarify, if possible. Do you think your friend is really in contact with spirit persons you are not in contact with, and if so, do you think these spirit persons are real? Not just for her reality, but for real in all realities where you are possibly not privy to these manifestations. I hope you understand my question better now.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
I’m usually accused of being an atheist but I remain a theist.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
I appreciate you standing up for me, Trailblazer. It means a lot to me to have a friend like you. It is reassuring to have friends who are willing to stand up for you and support you. My decision to open up and talk about my psychic medium abilities and my personal experiences with the paranormal on RF wasn't one that I took lightly, and it took me some time of "testing the waters" to get to this point. As I've previously explained in other threads, RF has provided me with an exceptional platform to talk about my mediumship abilities and my paranormal experiences. I've never been on a forum like it or even on Facebook (or any other social media platform) where I felt like I could talk about these topics freely and not be constantly lambasted with malicious remarks that question my sanity.
I obviously can't speak for other psychic mediums because "to each their own," but when I began to be more open about my psychic medium abilities, I made an important decision to provide tangible evidence of what I could see and hear as a psychic medium, as well as what I could feel as a sensitive and empath, whenever possible. I made the decision long ago to not simply assert that I could communicate with and interact with human spirits and then leave it at that. I decided to investigate the paranormal for myself in order to provide the tangible evidence that would help substantiate my abilities to see, hear, and feel the presence of the dead. I've spent the last fifteen years studying and researching the paranormal, as well as traveling around the country to investigate various haunted locations. I've accumulated a lot of evidence of my encounters with the use of cutting-edge ghost hunting equipment, and many people I've met in person have evaluated and acknowledged my evidence. Over the years, many people have also seen me interact with human spirits and reveal personal information that was only known between an individual and their dead loved one.
As I've explained before in similar discussions (such as this one here), I don't post about my experiences as a psychic medium or about my experiences with the paranormal in an effort to argue, debate, or persuade skeptics to believe me. The reason why I post on RF about my psychic medium abilities is so that I can give other people who don't have these abilities the chance to experience what I see, hear, and feel on a daily basis. I also post threads detailing my paranormal investigations in order to share my experiences with other people who haven't had experiences with the paranormal like I have. I've spent a little over a year posting on RF about my experiences in both my own threads (see here as an example) and comments in other threads (see here as an example). I've also shared the stories of the first human spirit I saw when I was six years old (read it here), knowing when my loved ones passed away (read it here), and the tragic death of a friend (read it here). Finally, I thought I'd repost what I've already posted about my abilities.
As a psychic medium, I can interact and communicate with earthbound spirits. I can see them (visually and/or see a mental vision of them), hear them speak audibly and/or hear them speak when I have a mental vision of them, can communicate and interact with them as I communicate and interact with the living, and as a sensitive, I can feel their presence as well as their emotions at the time.
As a sensitive, I can feel joy, elation, peace, fear, dread, and despair. It's similar to how I experience varied sensations depending on the living person I am sensing. Generally speaking, I can sense within a couple of minutes of meeting someone if they are trustworthy or not, and I can tell by various feelings what kind of human spirit or entity I'm dealing with. I can also see the auras of living people in vivid colors. That's essentially what I experience every day as a psychic medium, a sensitive, an empath, and a highly sensitive person.
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Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
Out of curiosity, why were you accused of being an atheist when you are a theist?
wandering peacefully
Which way to the woods?
It means that I don't believe she can actually communicate with spirits. Why? Because I just don't happen to believe in spirits anymore. Spirits meaning some type of immeasurable, energy or consciousness contained in living being that somehow survives natural death and further is living in some immeasurable space within the measurable universes and is somehow able to physically interact with living humans.
I don't think my friend or anyone else who believes they communicate with spirits is lying. I know they believe it because I also used to believe it.
So no, I don't personally believe she is in contact with spirits and no, I don't think she is lying about her experiences. So I would never tell her that I think she is lying to me.
And no, I don't care to explain why I don't believe in spirits anymore other than I now believe there are physiological, psychological and emotional explanations for the experiences. I'm also not saying I am right about this, I am agnostic about them because as of now, they haven't been proven not to exist.
Kelly of the Phoenix
Well-Known Member
I tend to agree with atheists on forums regarding certain criticisms. Many assume only atheists would tell them that they are mistaken.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
It is nice to see you again.
I guess that what you used to believe spirits are? I believe that the human spirit is synonymous with the human soul, and that when the physical body dies the soul survives death and takes on another form, a spiritual body. I don't believe a spirit is some kind of free-floating energy floating around in space, I believe it has a form which allows it to function, just as we have a physical body that allows us to function in this world. There is no way to know what that form will be like, but some psychic mediums have said that it resembles the body we had here, only it is not physical. That is also what the Baha'i Writings and the Bible seem to indicate, in so many words.
I don't believe that spirits are able to communicate to living humans in this world from the spiritual world, not unless that communication is facilitated by a psychic medium.
What @Sgt. Pepper has experienced are earthbound spirits who are trying to communicate with her, rather than spirits that reside in the spiritual world, and that is another subject.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
So do I.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
It is nice to see you again.
I guess that what you used to believe spirits are? I believe that the human spirit is synonymous with the human soul, and that when the physical body dies the soul survives death and takes on another form, a spiritual body. I don't believe a spirit is some kind of free-floating energy floating around in space, I believe it has a form which allows it to function, just as we have a physical body that allows us to function in this world. There is no way to know what that form will be like, but some psychic mediums have said that it resembles the body we had here, only it is not physical. That is also what the Baha'i Writings and the Bible seem to indicate, in so many words.
I don't believe that spirits are able to communicate to living humans in this world from the spiritual world, not unless that communication is facilitated by a psychic medium.
What @Sgt. Pepper has experienced are earthbound spirits who are trying to communicate with her, rather than spirits that reside in the spiritual world, and that is another subject.
Yes, human spirits resemble living people when they manifest as either a partial or full-body apparition, and they will be transparent. Some spirits can, however, appear as a full-body apparition that resembles a solid (flesh and blood) living person, but they will need a massive amount of energy to do it. If you see these spirits, you'll think it's an actual person, only to see them vanish right before your eyes. They are usually dressed in period clothing and are often mistaken for reenactment actors or museum docents (or other locals) who are seriously into the history of the location. I've seen spirits like this myself over the years, and it has generally been in Civil War era homes, in Civil War museums, and on Civil War battlefields, which doesn't surprise me given the vast amounts of electromagnetic energy that these places possess. And while I've seen these kinds of spirits, the majority of the spirits I've seen have been transparent.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Yes, that is what happened to my friend @Truthseeker and I think he told you the story. The spirit of as dead relative appeared to him and she looked like an actual person and then she vanished before his eyes. I have heard a lot of similar stories and seen them on TV.
If spirits who are physically dead can appear like an actual person, why couldn't that be what the disciples and others saw after Jesus was crucified? Most Christians will argue that the physical body of Jesus must have risen from the grave and came back to life, in order for the Bible stories to be true, but I don't understand why that would have to be the case. They could have seen an apparition of Jesus that appeared and looked just like his physical body.
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Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
Yes, Truthseeker told me his story, which prompted me to tell him about the first human spirit I've ever seen when I was six years old.
I suppose that's a possibility and it makes sense to me. I hadn't thought of that before, to be honest.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
OK, so you think she's imagining it and she and others she influences believe she's telling the truth. OK.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
It's comments like these that make me realize what a blessing I have to realize that God warned His people, the Israelites, NOT to communicate with the dead. Or anything like a "spirit medium."It is nice to see you again.
I guess that what you used to believe spirits are? I believe that the human spirit is synonymous with the human soul, and that when the physical body dies the soul survives death and takes on another form, a spiritual body. I don't believe a spirit is some kind of free-floating energy floating around in space, I believe it has a form which allows it to function, just as we have a physical body that allows us to function in this world. There is no way to know what that form will be like, but some psychic mediums have said that it resembles the body we had here, only it is not physical. That is also what the Baha'i Writings and the Bible seem to indicate, in so many words.
I don't believe that spirits are able to communicate to living humans in this world from the spiritual world, not unless that communication is facilitated by a psychic medium.
What @Sgt. Pepper has experienced are earthbound spirits who are trying to communicate with her, rather than spirits that reside in the spiritual world, and that is another subject.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
I know that your post wasn't directed at me, but I still wanted to say that I do appreciate your honesty and willingness to talk about this topic despite the fact that you don't believe. Personally, I don't mind skeptics as long as they're polite and don't treat me badly or make fun of me. I'm not bothered by the fact that some individuals don't believe ghosts are real, psychic mediumship is possible, or that there is anything else paranormal. I understand that their skepticism does not change the fact that I've been a psychic medium since I was six years old. However, I'm pleased to know that believing in ghosts and other paranormal phenomena has become more acceptable in contemporary society. As I noted in another post here, the negative stigma associated with believing in ghosts (and in other paranormal phenomena) has significantly decreased over the past twenty years or so. In fact, I think that's very encouraging.
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wandering peacefully
Which way to the woods?
It is nice to see you again.
I guess that what you used to believe spirits are? I believe that the human spirit is synonymous with the human soul, and that when the physical body dies the soul survives death and takes on another form, a spiritual body. I don't believe a spirit is some kind of free-floating energy floating around in space, I believe it has a form which allows it to function, just as we have a physical body that allows us to function in this world. There is no way to know what that form will be like, but some psychic mediums have said that it resembles the body we had here, only it is not physical. That is also what the Baha'i Writings and the Bible seem to indicate, in so many words.
I don't believe that spirits are able to communicate to living humans in this world from the spiritual world, not unless that communication is facilitated by a psychic medium.
What @Sgt. Pepper has experienced are earthbound spirits who are trying to communicate with her, rather than spirits that reside in the spiritual world, and that is another subject.
I would consider the term soul to be interchangeable with spirit and would use the same criteria as to their description and ability to exist whether in this world or some other immeasurable place you call the spirit world in the universes.It is nice to see you again.
I guess that what you used to believe spirits are? I believe that the human spirit is synonymous with the human soul, and that when the physical body dies the soul survives death and takes on another form, a spiritual body. I don't believe a spirit is some kind of free-floating energy floating around in space, I believe it has a form which allows it to function, just as we have a physical body that allows us to function in this world. There is no way to know what that form will be like, but some psychic mediums have said that it resembles the body we had here, only it is not physical. That is also what the Baha'i Writings and the Bible seem to indicate, in so many words.
I don't believe that spirits are able to communicate to living humans in this world from the spiritual world, not unless that communication is facilitated by a psychic medium.
What @Sgt. Pepper has experienced are earthbound spirits who are trying to communicate with her, rather than spirits that reside in the spiritual world, and that is another subject.
wandering peacefully
Which way to the woods?
I am really glad you are able to share your experiences and that people are more accepting of them without degrading what you do or insulting you personally. That is just not kind. I know there are many people who believe and have been helped emotionally by mediums such as yourself. And what an exciting ability!
Honestly, there are really times now that I wish I could go back to believing the many experiences I have had over the years as being interactions with spirits. It was always comforting and uplifting. I've just become very boring in my old age and always thinking through how and why of what is happening when I have experiences now. I just can't make it past the scientific probability that the experiences have an earthy explanation.
What properties would these spirits consist of that could cause them to be visible? How could they exist but not be measurable? Am i experiencing something because I have a preconceived notion of what I would like to experience? In what part of the human body do they exist when alive and how can they survive physical death? Where do they live? See my problem? Boring!
But again, I don't doubt anything you say about what you experience. It certainly is fulfilling and lends to an exciting life. I am going to follow some more of your links you have provided. Thanks again.