Another Anti-Vax Radio Talk Show Host Dies from Covid

[Revoltingest]

Hearing it often makes me think you guys don't want to listen even if my posts were one or two sentences.

Again, I am an individual...one that will skip addressing
some posts when the effort would be unproductive.
Posts that are repetitive are particularly subject to
being avoided. This applies broadly, not to a single
or small group of posters.

 

[exchemist]

This is so sad. Is anyone keeping track of how many this has been? I wonder how many people they have taken with them?

Marc Bernier, 30-year Daytona Beach talk host, dies after COVID battle

I’m afraid I failed to suppress a laugh when I read this. By now, there is absolutely no reason to feel any sympathy for such a fool, though I am sorry for his family of course.

I just hope these cases are widely publicised.

 

[Revoltingest]

You make it seem like there is one objectively correct position here and that any view contrary to it is not only “immoral” but also deserving of death.

A clever but nonfactual comeback.

Yes, I am fine with “influential people” expressing views that I do not not agree with.

So am I in general.
But when people use their influence to cause
demonstrable physical harm to others, I'll oppose it.

 

[Aštra’el]

A clever but nonfactual comeback.

So am I in general.
But when people use their influence to cause
demonstrable physical harm to others, I'll oppose it.

No I’m being real. You said “it is good this person died from Covid”. That is not just opposition to someone’s views, that is opposition to a person being alive for holding those views.

 

[Messianic Israelite]

This is so sad. Is anyone keeping track of how many this has been? I wonder how many people they have taken with them?

Marc Bernier, 30-year Daytona Beach talk host, dies after COVID battle

Good evening Wandering Monk. If you look at the data, few people are actually dying from Covid in relation to the amount of cases they are. In England there has been 5.84 million cases and yet only 116K have died from Covid. Anyone care to tell me what percentage that is?

I have never been vaccinated and I've never taken a day off work for any physical illness. Whereas I know people who have been doubly vaccinated and have come down with Covid. A few weeks ago, a neighbour came down with Covid, and later a Jewish friend who has had the two shots just recently after taking the two shots came down with Covid.

The scriptures teach us not to take in to our body anything potential harmful as our bodies are our temples. Exodus 23:2 tells us in the Torah law not to do something just because other people are doing it.

 

[Secret Chief]

Disagree. You chose to stand next to someone who is not wearing a mask. You chose not to socially distance yourself. You could have prevented it, but decided to risk it.

You disagree with me food shopping? Too risky to eat? I don't choose to stand next to unmasked selfish idiots, THEY choose to stand next to me. Or do you think I should have to have a go at every idiot that does? (eg in a supermarket yesterday). Some big grunter is right next to me, what are you recommending? Stay in my house forever? Accept having to risk altercations every time I go out the house?

The fact is, if you are vaccinated, wearing a mask, and properly socially distanced you can't catch it. So if you do catch it, it means you did not protect yourself. This seems pretty simple to me.

Simple but wrong.

I am vaccinated for my own health AND as my contribution to trying to reduce the virus circulation in the general population.

I try to socially distance. Sometimes it's impossible, sometimes (as above) someone no longer socially distances and THEY choose to stand by me.

I wear a mask; that mostly protects others. (Crazy huh).

I am vaccinated, I endeavour to always socially distance and wear a mask but can still catch it. I can catch it because of the selfish actions of asymptomatic covidiots.

18 months on and this still needs saying, but it bounces off covidiots like ping pong balls.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

It's sad when anyone dies in a traffic accident. But I have far great sympathy for the poor soul who was struck and killed legally driving through an intersection by someone who decided that red stop lights shouldn't have to apply to them than I have for the idiot who was killed because they decided that their right to drive is somehow more important than their responsibility to stop at stop lights.

I never had that division in suffering. I honestly can't understand it from a heart/humane perspective. If that be the case I wouldn't care about anyone because every action and inaction either contributes or leaves us open to good or bad things in life we can't control.

There's a lot of analogies to express how I feel but I guess you can fill in the blank with those points of history where this was the law of the land not an individuals political opinion.

We just have different sentiments on human life. But when it comes to the pandemic it stands out like a sore thumb that even media and gov heightens it like gas on a fire.

 

[Revoltingest]

No I’m being real. You said “it is good this person died from Covid”. That is not just opposition to someone’s views, that is opposition to a person being alive for holding those views.

Yes, it's good he died for the 2 reasons I gave.
I never opposed his being alive.
I never wished his death...I'm just evaluating it.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Again, I am an individual...one that will skip addressing
some posts when the effort would be unproductive.
Posts that are repetitive are particularly subject to
being avoided. This applies broadly, not to a single
or small group of posters.

All these posts are recycled. Try creating a post that says COVID, antivax, and trump....then add the opinions about who posted the material... It would blow up.

But I haven't heard any of your arguments that favored the unvaxed or so have you so in that sense it's you guys. Similar arguments not your character.

 

[Secret Chief]

The scriptures teach us not to take in to our body anything potential harmful as our bodies are our temples.

I'm no scientist, but I think virology has advanced somewhat in the last two thousand years.

 

[Moonjuice]

It is entirely possible to take as many precautions as one can and still catch the virus. Perfect isolation from contact with others is basically impossible for the vast majority of people: at one point or another, most people need to go out and buy groceries or other basic needs (or order them and still come into contact with someone), go for a walk to get sunlight and avoid other diseases from being sedentary, etc. This is on top of the many people who don't have the option of working from home, such as healthcare workers and those who work in manual labor or the service industry.

Saying that anyone who catches or has caught COVID chose to catch it is, aside from being factually incorrect, potentially hurtful and minimizing toward those who have lost someone to COVID or those who have gotten severely ill from it despite taking medically advised precautions.

I completely understand what you are saying here and I agree its very difficult to keep yourself 100% safe. When you say its "entirely possible to take as many precautions as one can and still catch the virus." You are 100% wrong. Trying really hard to stay safe is not the same thing as ensuring you are 100% safe. That is like trying really hard not to die skydiving vs. not skydiving. One is an attempt at being safe, the other is 100% certainty you are safe. Is it sad when someone dies skydiving? Sure...but to say they didn't choose to risk their life is not accurate. You can blame whoever you want, and there might be some fault elsewhere...but the only 100% sure way to avoid it belongs with the person who made the decision to risk it.

We have lives to live, jobs to go to, kids to take to school. 100% safety under these circumstances is incredibly hard, if not impossible. I get that. But to say its not a choice is just incorrect. You choose to go to work everyday, you are choosing employment over unemployment. You are choosing to earn money to pay that rent, over not paying rent and being homeless. You are even choosing to drive the kids to school instead of leaving them home alone to take online classes (not much of a choice, but still a choice). If you decide not to socially distance and you catch Covid, then you made your choice.

 

[Revoltingest]

...I haven't heard any of your arguments that favored the unvaxed...

I don't favor avoiding vaccination.
But you must've missed my allowances that
some wouldn't benefit (for medical reasons)
or would be allergic to some ingredients.

My opposition is to anti-vaxers, especially
those who try to convince others to eschew
vaccination. They cause death & inirmity.

 

[QuestioningMind]

I never had that division in suffering. I honestly can't understand it from a heart/humane perspective. If that be the case I wouldn't care about anyone because every action and inaction either contributes or leaves us open to good or bad things in life we can't control.

There's a lot of analogies to express how I feel but I guess you can fill in the blank with those points of history where this was the law of the land not an individuals political opinion.

We just have different sentiments on human life. But when it comes to the pandemic it stands out like a sore thumb that even media and gov heightens it like gas on a fire.

Not sure what you mean by 'division of suffering'. It's sad that anyone had to suffer. But it's much harder to have sympathy for someone who suffers due to their own negligence than someone who suffers due to the negligence of someone else. Person A at least had the choice to avoid the suffering while person B had their suffering inflicted on them by someone else.

 

[metis]

"Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good", and right now the "good" is getting a vaccine plus wearing the mask indoors outside the home or under crowded conditions outdoors.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

You say that as if evidence would convince you.

You're opposing the COVID-19 vaccine. One example is this statement here:

It would. When I am presented with a direct statement(s), I can't deny them. If they are assumptions (seems/conclusions/insinuate/etc) I can't defend or agree with that. People's opinions don't always reflect facts.

Here's the full post:

But the suffering and death of people with COVID importance shouldn't be divided if people actually care about the dying.

It makes it seem like you guys don't care about people dying in general. It really devalues the argument of getting the vaccine if the importance of one's pain and suffering is dependent on their vaccination status.

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The importance of suffering and death of COVID victims shouldn't be divided (or people shouldn't make double standards in care) if they actually cared about the dying.

It makes it seem like you guys don't care about the dying in general. It devalues your argument of getting the vaccine because the care you guys have for COVID victims is based on their vaccination status not their pain and suffering.

This double standard devalues the argument of getting the vaccine.

How does saying don't make a double standard in people provaxxers care about encouraging people not to take the vaccine???

The idea that someone looking down on unvaccinated people should be seen as a reason not to get vaccinated is irrational.

You've made many irrational statements like this, always against vaccines or against the people saying the COVID-19 vaccines are a good idea. You keep on saying them even after people point out to you how they're irrational.

At some point, it becomes impossible to keep giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're just making an honest mistake.

I never made that argument.

I never made statements against vaccines.

You really need to give me a direct statement because like my example above, your opinions aren't aligning with facts. I can't take what you say into consideration unless you give me direct examples to support your opinions.

Cause I'm literally at a lost.

 

[Koldo]

I completely understand what you are saying here and I agree its very difficult to keep yourself 100% safe. When you say its "entirely possible to take as many precautions as one can and still catch the virus." You are 100% wrong. Trying really hard to stay safe is not the same thing as ensuring you are 100% safe. That is like trying really hard not to die skydiving vs. not skydiving. One is an attempt at being safe, the other is 100% certainty you are safe. Is it sad when someone dies skydiving? Sure...but to say they didn't choose to risk their life is not accurate. You can blame whoever you want, and there might be some fault elsewhere...but the only 100% sure way to avoid it belongs with the person who made the decision to risk it.

We have lives to live, jobs to go to, kids to take to school. 100% safety under these circumstances is incredibly hard, if not impossible. I get that. But to say its not a choice is just incorrect. You choose to go to work everyday, you are choosing employment over unemployment. You are choosing to earn money to pay that rent, over not paying rent and being homeless. You are even choosing to drive the kids to school instead of leaving them home alone to take online classes (not much of a choice, but still a choice). If you decide not to socially distance and you catch Covid, then you made your choice.

**mod edit** Yeah, if we catch covid, even though we have tried our best not to, then it was our choice but that's because the alternative would be to starve to death.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I don't favor avoiding vaccination.
But you must've missed my allowances that
some wouldn't benefit (for medical reasons)
or would be allergic to some ingredients.

My opposition is to anti-vaxers, especially
those who try to convince others to eschew
vaccination. They cause death & inirmity.

To tell you honestly, even on RF, I have not read any antivax person (which there are a couple) and any unvaxed person say they are convincing or try to convince others to vaccinate. The common consensus is they want freedom of choice for themselves "as with" others-vaxed and not.

Other provaxxers have the same views as you do. It's hard to put clauses in everything I write so "you guys" meaning all of you that have the same or similar opinion not that you guys are the same person.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I completely understand what you are saying here and I agree its very difficult to keep yourself 100% safe. When you say its "entirely possible to take as many precautions as one can and still catch the virus." You are 100% wrong. Trying really hard to stay safe is not the same thing as ensuring you are 100% safe. That is like trying really hard not to die skydiving vs. not skydiving. One is an attempt at being safe, the other is 100% certainty you are safe. Is it sad when someone dies skydiving? Sure...but to say they didn't choose to risk their life is not accurate. You can blame whoever you want, and there might be some fault elsewhere...but the only 100% sure way to avoid it belongs with the person who made the decision to risk it.

We have lives to live, jobs to go to, kids to take to school. 100% safety under these circumstances is incredibly hard, if not impossible. I get that. But to say its not a choice is just incorrect. You choose to go to work everyday, you are choosing employment over unemployment. You are choosing to earn money to pay that rent, over not paying rent and being homeless. You are even choosing to drive the kids to school instead of leaving them home alone to take online classes (not much of a choice, but still a choice). If you decide not to socially distance and you catch Covid, then you made your choice.

When one of two alternatives is that unrealistic and undesirable, can we even call it a "choice" in any practically meaningful sense? What purpose does it serve to blame people for catching COVID in such circumstances as when they refuse to "choose" complete isolation given that doing so would entail starvation or homelessness for them?

 

[Twilight Hue]

This is so sad. Is anyone keeping track of how many this has been? I wonder how many people they have taken with them?

Marc Bernier, 30-year Daytona Beach talk host, dies after COVID battle

How many anti vax radio shows are there where people lived?

"Taken with them"....um...

Embellish much?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Not sure what you mean by 'division of suffering'. It's sad that anyone had to suffer. But it's much harder to have sympathy for someone who suffers due to their own negligence than someone who suffers due to the negligence of someone else. Person A at least had the choice to avoid the suffering while person B had their suffering inflicted on them by someone else.

I can understand that when someone is drunk driving and gets killed. In my head it's more that was the consequence of his actions not he is an idiot or he deserved it. My sentiments are different but I get not having sympathy just not the sentiment behind it.

I can't compare the common examples of seatbelts with not taking the vaccine. Its like apples and oranges. Its better to compare seatbelt analogy with masks because seatbelts and masks aren't something you put in your body. There are no recorded adverse side effects and its not still being tested to improve its efficiency. People can fight about seatbelts and masks but at the end its just a piece of material.

Likewise, if someone doesn't vaccinate and get COVID I honestly do not know if it's because they are not vaccinated because vaccinated people can get COVID too. I don't know if they caught it and it got worse because of pre-existing illnesses or say age. I don't know if there are hidden variables that make the vaccine work in some people more than others. I don't even know if someone unvaccinated made the decision because they went to the CDC site or a biased site. I just don't know.

So, if that same person got COVID (and I knew that person not the reasoning behind their vaccination status) I would have sympathy because they are human and they are suffering. Its like seeing thousands of people die at once. We don't know who, in those people, warrant their own suffering (if you like) and others are victims yet we sympathize none the less because of how it affects us.

I just don't have what you (and others) have with suffering people who either caused their suffering (drunk driving) or left themselves open (to catch COVID).

Logically, yeah. It makes sense to an extent but morally, no. I can't relate at all.