Another Anti-Vax Radio Talk Show Host Dies from Covid

[Revoltingest]

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Unvaxed are half the US population so if every unvax got covid and died for not getting the vax, that's good?

I don’t think so.

 

[Revoltingest]

Hearing it often makes me think you guys don't want to listen even if my posts were one or two sentences.

I am not “you guys”.
But some arguments are a waste of time.
I address worthy ones.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

But the suffering and death of people with COVID importance shouldn't be divided if people actually care about the dying.

It makes it seem like you guys don't care about people dying in general.

No, it just means that we also care about the lives of his victims.

It really devalues the argument of getting the vaccine if the importance of one's pain and suffering is dependent on their vaccination status.

Nonsense like this is why I consider you an anti-vaxxer (despite your claims that you aren't one).

 

[Secret Chief]

It also assumes that wearing a seatbelt prevents accidents and injury. It does not.

Seatbelts DO prevent, or reduce the likelihood of injury, duh.

 

[Aštra’el]

This makes it seem like you’re OK with influential people advocating against vaccination.

You make it seem like there is one objectively correct position here and that any view contrary to it is not only “immoral” but also deserving of death.

Yes, I am fine with “influential people” expressing views that I do not not agree with. People will make up their own minds on what to believe and what course of action to take, and nobody is responsible for their own choices and actions but themselves.

As I see things, it’s good he died for 2 reasons…
1) He will no longer be pushing dangerous views.
2) His example could save some anti-vaxer lives with the reality of his demise from Covid.

In death he became a better person.

I completely disagree. I never find it “good that someone died from Covid”, or cancer, or any horrible disease.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Seatbelts DO prevent, or reduce the likelihood of injury, duh.

Wearing a seatbelt won't keep you from swerving off the road and it's rare you get in an accident without bumbing a head or arm.

Not all preventive measures dont keep you injury free just free from serious and deadly consequences.

But you must be driving for all that to apply.

 

[Secret Chief]

The best protection you have is not the vaccine, its your ability to not come in contact with the virus at all if you choose. At this stage in the game, if you catch Covid, you chose to catch Covid. It's no one else's fault other than your own. Wearing a helmet is NOT the best way to keep yourself from dying in a motorcycle crash. The best way to not get in a motorcycle crash is to not ride a motorcycle. This guarantees 100% safety. Same with Covid. Anyone who catches Covid at this point, is simply not protecting themselves completely like they could or should have.

Categorically No. If I get covid, I won't have chosen to, it will be because of something like a person next to me in a shop wasn't wearing a mask, has the virus, is asymptomatic and passes it to me. I'll have a mask on for the benefit of OTHERS, not me. But that other person doesn't think about me.
It's not just about YOU. It's about OTHERS. We all necessarily come into contact with others. We all "ride a motorcycle", the helmet is to protect YOU, obeying the rules of the road protects OTHERS.
Hard work, this thinking of others.

 

[stvdv]

But the suffering and death of people with COVID importance shouldn't be divided if people actually care about the dying.

It makes it seem like you guys don't care about people dying in general. It really devalues the argument of getting the vaccine if the importance of one's pain and suffering is dependent on their vaccination status.

Yes, I get the same vibes. To some it seems a game who is winning and to get proof that their choice is the better choice, and others are bad

 

[Unveiled Artist]

No, it just means that we also care about the lives of his victims.


Nonsense like this is why I consider you an anti-vaxxer (despite your claims that you aren't one).

You'd have to use another term. I'm not against meds, vax, treatments. I'd die without them.

I care about all lives not just people I consider innocent or victims.

To be a provaxxer should I only care about people who agree with me and dam people who don't?

What characteristics do provaxxers have that makes me know they care for All COVID victims?

And if their heart is in the right place to support their arguments?

 

[Secret Chief]

Wearing a seatbelt won't keep you from swerving off the road and it's rare you get in an accident without bumbing a head or arm.

I never said they do prevent accidents. They lessen the chance of injury. I think that might be why they exist.

Not all preventive measures dont keep you injury free just free from serious and deadly consequences.

Of course not. It's about lessening the risk of injury, lessening the severity of any injury, improving the chances. Does something have to be 100% guaranteed when you weigh things up?

But you must be driving for all that to apply.

No ****.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I never said they do prevent accidents. They lessen the chance of injury. I think that might be why they exist.



Of course not. It's about lessening the risk, improving the chances. Does something have to be 100% guaranteed when you weigh things up?



No ****.

Your comment didn't provide context.

"Seatbelts DO prevent, or reduce the likelihood of injury, duh."

It doesn't prevent. If a person isn't driving this is irrelevant.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yes, I get the same vibes. To some it seems a game who is winning and to get proof that their choice is the better choice, and others are bad

Yeah. If I were a doctor and saw it like they do I'd be out of a job.

Edit.
It also adds another layer to this that being vax would feel like I'm supporting their cause when I don't see medical choices as political in nature.

 

[Secret Chief]

Your comment didn't provide context.

"Seatbelts DO prevent, or reduce the likelihood of injury, duh."

It doesn't prevent. If a person isn't driving this is irrelevant.

Context? What in case someone thought I meant wearing a seatbelt prevents accidents, even when I only referred to injury? Right.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You'd have to use another term. I'm not against meds, vax, treatments. I'd die without them.

I'll use whatever term I want, thanks.

Irrational opposition to some vaccines is still an anti-vax attitude even if there are other vaccines you do take.

I care about all lives not just people I consider innocent or victims.

Your actions suggest that you don't, actually.

 

[Debater Slayer]

The best protection you have is not the vaccine, its your ability to not come in contact with the virus at all if you choose. At this stage in the game, if you catch Covid, you chose to catch Covid. It's no one else's fault other than your own. Wearing a helmet is NOT the best way to keep yourself from dying in a motorcycle crash. The best way to not get in a motorcycle crash is to not ride a motorcycle. This guarantees 100% safety. Same with Covid. Anyone who catches Covid at this point, is simply not protecting themselves completely like they could or should have.

It is entirely possible to take as many precautions as one can and still catch the virus. Perfect isolation from contact with others is basically impossible for the vast majority of people: at one point or another, most people need to go out and buy groceries or other basic needs (or order them and still come into contact with someone), go for a walk to get sunlight and avoid other diseases from being sedentary, etc. This is on top of the many people who don't have the option of working from home, such as healthcare workers and those who work in manual labor or the service industry.

Saying that anyone who catches or has caught COVID chose to catch it is, aside from being factually incorrect, potentially hurtful and minimizing toward those who have lost someone to COVID or those who have gotten severely ill from it despite taking medically advised precautions.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I'll use whatever term I want, thanks.

Irrational opposition to some vaccines is still an anti-vax attitude even if there are other vaccines you do take.


Your actions suggest that you don't, actually.

Unless you can show where I am against vaccines, it's incorrect. It's your opinion but opinions (and beliefs) aren't facts without evidence.

Which vaccines am I opposing?

You need to support your opinions with facts for it to have value in the conversation.

 

[Moonjuice]

Categorically No. If I get covid, I won't have chosen to, it will be because of something like a person next to me in a shop wasn't wearing a mask, has the virus, is asymptomatic and passes it to me. I'll have a mask on for the benefit of OTHERS, not me. But that other person doesn't think about me.
It's not just about YOU. It's about OTHERS. We all necessarily come into contact with others. We all "ride a motorcycle", the helmet is to protect YOU, obeying the rules of the road protects OTHERS.
Hard work, this thinking of others.

Disagree. You chose to stand next to someone who is not wearing a mask. You chose not to socially distance yourself. You could have prevented it, but decided to risk it.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

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[9-10ths_Penguin]

Unless you can show where I am against vaccines, it's incorrect. It's your opinion but opinions (and beliefs) aren't facts without evidence.

Which vaccines am I opposing?

You're making claims but no evidence.

You say that as if evidence would convince you.

You're opposing the COVID-19 vaccine. One example is this statement here:

It really devalues the argument of getting the vaccine if the importance of one's pain and suffering is dependent on their vaccination status.

The idea that someone looking down on unvaccinated people should be seen as a reason not to get vaccinated is irrational.

You've made many irrational statements like this, always against vaccines or against the people saying the COVID-19 vaccines are a good idea. You keep on saying them even after people point out to you how they're irrational.

At some point, it becomes impossible to keep giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're just making an honest mistake.

 

[QuestioningMind]

But the suffering and death of people with COVID importance shouldn't be divided if people actually care about the dying.

It makes it seem like you guys don't care about people dying in general. It really devalues the argument of getting the vaccine if the importance of one's pain and suffering is dependent on their vaccination status.

It's sad when anyone dies in a traffic accident. But I have far great sympathy for the poor soul who was struck and killed legally driving through an intersection by someone who decided that red stop lights shouldn't have to apply to them than I have for the idiot who was killed because they decided that their right to drive is somehow more important than their responsibility to stop at stop lights.