RedJamaX
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I'm sure I'm not the first to point out something like this, but the more we do this, the more it is seen by those "would be" sheep, and maybe some of those people can realize they are being manipulated and will go out and see the information for themselves.
Here is my recent experience in some posting exchanges in You Tube. Comments related to the video titled "Conspiracy Road Trip: Creationism "
The topic at hand was about evolution and whether it was a scientific theory backed up many facts, or a world wide conspiracy in order to "take your money" (yes, that was really suggested by a creationists)
A few posts below, the video in response to a post from stan gore... skip757 presented a paragraph quoted from a science website which was based off some new information regarding evolution, and skip757 edited the original paragraph in order to present the information in a manner that would suggest that new scientific information is refuting evolution.
skip757 wrote: (VERBATIM - I DO NOT EDIT MY QUOTES)
It is the evolutionists who must believe that evolution happens overnight, so to speak, because the evidence is not there for it to have happen over multiple millions of years. Phyla appear abruptly in the fossil record! Ever heard of Punctuated Equilibrium? The theory holds that species originate too rapidly to enable their origins to be traced by paleontologists.
From researchers who study fossils:
From Phys.org a science, research and technology news service who's readership include 1.75 mil scientists. An article dated Feb 19, 2013: Evolutionary stasis, is an alternative scientific interpretation to Neo-Darwinism, it means most species show little evolutionary change through history, instead evolution occurs more abruptly. The theory originated among paleontologists who study fossils. They found that no intermediate forms of fossils exist.
From a September 19, 2013 article in Science Daily, Professor Paul Smith, lead author of a report on a new study of the Cambrian Explosion, and Director of the Oxford University Museum of Natural History, said: 'This is a period of time that has attracted a lot of attention because it is when animals appear very abruptly in the fossil record, and in great diversity. Out of this event came nearly all of the major groups of animals that we recognize today."
The paragraph in question is dated Feb 19, 2013, and begins "Evolutionary stasis..." Now, after a little Google search I fund the Unedited paragraph and this is what it really said (with the edited out part in all caps):
"Evolutionary stasis is an alternative scientific interpretation to the widely accepted Neo-Darwinism. It means that most species show little evolutionary change through history, instead, evolution occurs more abruptly AND IT CAN RESULT IN ONE SPECIES BECOMING TWO DIFFERENT SPECIES. The theory originated among paleontologists who study fossils. They found that no intermediate forms of fossils exist. However, it is relatively difficult to determine the species of fossil organisms."
That was no accident... it was not at the beginning or the end so it's not like it was left off due to some copy-paste error, the cut out part was in the middle, and the sentence was carefully edited so that there was punctuation following the word "abruptly" so that it looked legitimate. In the context that skip757 presented this information it makes the difference of supporting evolution with new information, or as skip757 edited it, so that it would seemingly undermine evolution altogether. THIS IS CALLED LYING!!! Allow me to apply their own moral system - Exodus 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor."
The second fallacious misleading information in his post is in regards to his ignorance about the word "abruptly" in paleontological terms. "Abruptly" in paleontology basically means less than 20 million years, not "overnight" as suggested by the creationists (this is sourced from paleontologist, Dr. Donald Prothero on the Thinking Atheist Podcast #165). 20 million years is NOT a short amount of time... unless you are in a field of study which covers 150 times that amount (3 billion years). Perhaps skip757 was just ignorant in this case, but he was smart enough to search for a quote that he could edit in order to fit his view... I'm better that he knows his interpretation in this example was also deliberately misleading.
My point is... The creationists who have a large enough base of knowledge about different sciences, they are the ones who are doing these wicked things, quote mining, misrepresenting the truth... and then feeding that fallacious information down to their followers as knowledge. If you are a creationist, and these are the kinds of sources you get your scientific information from, I implore you to go out and do some real research on different sciences, presented by the scientists who are representing their own field of study... doing what they have done for the last 20 or 30 years of their life.
It really doesn't take much effort, just time... Most of what you need can be found here on YouTube... Start by looking for debates between evolution and creation... then look for lectures which are presented by the parties engaged in the lectures, and go look up the information that you don't know... They never give you all the pieces of the puzzle in debates and lectures,,, you only get a skimmed down version of any explanation... to truly understand it you need more information... and don't stop there, move on to debates about the existence of god, the big bang theory, watch lectures from the greatest scientific minds of our day. I've been listening to podcasts, radio shows, lectures, debates and audio books during my travel time for 7 years... and I am just now getting to a point where I can make a decent argument without having to go look up every piece of material... There is a lot of knowledge, real scientific data available but you cannot attain it overnight. You will need to do the research and understand the material. Once you do that, it is easy to see who is lying and misleading the people and who is not.
Here is my recent experience in some posting exchanges in You Tube. Comments related to the video titled "Conspiracy Road Trip: Creationism "
The topic at hand was about evolution and whether it was a scientific theory backed up many facts, or a world wide conspiracy in order to "take your money" (yes, that was really suggested by a creationists)
A few posts below, the video in response to a post from stan gore... skip757 presented a paragraph quoted from a science website which was based off some new information regarding evolution, and skip757 edited the original paragraph in order to present the information in a manner that would suggest that new scientific information is refuting evolution.
skip757 wrote: (VERBATIM - I DO NOT EDIT MY QUOTES)
It is the evolutionists who must believe that evolution happens overnight, so to speak, because the evidence is not there for it to have happen over multiple millions of years. Phyla appear abruptly in the fossil record! Ever heard of Punctuated Equilibrium? The theory holds that species originate too rapidly to enable their origins to be traced by paleontologists.
From researchers who study fossils:
From Phys.org a science, research and technology news service who's readership include 1.75 mil scientists. An article dated Feb 19, 2013: Evolutionary stasis, is an alternative scientific interpretation to Neo-Darwinism, it means most species show little evolutionary change through history, instead evolution occurs more abruptly. The theory originated among paleontologists who study fossils. They found that no intermediate forms of fossils exist.
From a September 19, 2013 article in Science Daily, Professor Paul Smith, lead author of a report on a new study of the Cambrian Explosion, and Director of the Oxford University Museum of Natural History, said: 'This is a period of time that has attracted a lot of attention because it is when animals appear very abruptly in the fossil record, and in great diversity. Out of this event came nearly all of the major groups of animals that we recognize today."
The paragraph in question is dated Feb 19, 2013, and begins "Evolutionary stasis..." Now, after a little Google search I fund the Unedited paragraph and this is what it really said (with the edited out part in all caps):
"Evolutionary stasis is an alternative scientific interpretation to the widely accepted Neo-Darwinism. It means that most species show little evolutionary change through history, instead, evolution occurs more abruptly AND IT CAN RESULT IN ONE SPECIES BECOMING TWO DIFFERENT SPECIES. The theory originated among paleontologists who study fossils. They found that no intermediate forms of fossils exist. However, it is relatively difficult to determine the species of fossil organisms."
That was no accident... it was not at the beginning or the end so it's not like it was left off due to some copy-paste error, the cut out part was in the middle, and the sentence was carefully edited so that there was punctuation following the word "abruptly" so that it looked legitimate. In the context that skip757 presented this information it makes the difference of supporting evolution with new information, or as skip757 edited it, so that it would seemingly undermine evolution altogether. THIS IS CALLED LYING!!! Allow me to apply their own moral system - Exodus 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor."
The second fallacious misleading information in his post is in regards to his ignorance about the word "abruptly" in paleontological terms. "Abruptly" in paleontology basically means less than 20 million years, not "overnight" as suggested by the creationists (this is sourced from paleontologist, Dr. Donald Prothero on the Thinking Atheist Podcast #165). 20 million years is NOT a short amount of time... unless you are in a field of study which covers 150 times that amount (3 billion years). Perhaps skip757 was just ignorant in this case, but he was smart enough to search for a quote that he could edit in order to fit his view... I'm better that he knows his interpretation in this example was also deliberately misleading.
My point is... The creationists who have a large enough base of knowledge about different sciences, they are the ones who are doing these wicked things, quote mining, misrepresenting the truth... and then feeding that fallacious information down to their followers as knowledge. If you are a creationist, and these are the kinds of sources you get your scientific information from, I implore you to go out and do some real research on different sciences, presented by the scientists who are representing their own field of study... doing what they have done for the last 20 or 30 years of their life.
It really doesn't take much effort, just time... Most of what you need can be found here on YouTube... Start by looking for debates between evolution and creation... then look for lectures which are presented by the parties engaged in the lectures, and go look up the information that you don't know... They never give you all the pieces of the puzzle in debates and lectures,,, you only get a skimmed down version of any explanation... to truly understand it you need more information... and don't stop there, move on to debates about the existence of god, the big bang theory, watch lectures from the greatest scientific minds of our day. I've been listening to podcasts, radio shows, lectures, debates and audio books during my travel time for 7 years... and I am just now getting to a point where I can make a decent argument without having to go look up every piece of material... There is a lot of knowledge, real scientific data available but you cannot attain it overnight. You will need to do the research and understand the material. Once you do that, it is easy to see who is lying and misleading the people and who is not.
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