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Another Mass Shooting - Guess the Country

Saint Frankenstein

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Stevicus

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Saint Frankenstein said:
It's stupid kids with illegal guns:
Two of three Kansas City parade shooting suspects are JUVENILES and bloodbath that killed one was r… Two of three Kansas City parade shooting suspects are JUVENILES via https://dailym.ai/android

That's like 99% of mass shootings (dumb kids with illegal handguns shooting each other over petty crap or gang shootings). But I bet y'all dont want to talk about that. Doesn't fit the narrative.
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Yeah, that's what it sounded like when I saw it was reported an "argument that turned violent." That sounds like gangs (or wannabes). Hotheads with guns.
 
Secret Chief

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Saint Frankenstein said:
That's like 99% of mass shootings (dumb kids with illegal handguns shooting each other over petty crap or gang shootings). But I bet y'all dont want to talk about that. Doesn't fit the narrative.
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99% ? - what is your source, link please.

List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia

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Secret Chief

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Saint Frankenstein said:
I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. Most "mass shootings" are gang violence or examples like this story - minors settling disputes with illegal handguns. The "lone nutter with an AR-15" is extremely rare, but the media frenzy over those events makes it seem like it's very common.
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Lone nutters extremely rare? So rare that when they happen no-one is surprised. If such an event occured in any similar country legislation would be passed urgently - eg:

"On 13 March 1996, local man Thomas Hamilton shot dead 16 children and their teacher, Gwen Mayor, in Dunblane Primary School's gymnasium before killing himself. He used his licensed weapons and ammunition. Following the incident, the government passed legislation banning ownership of all handguns—firearms under 60 centimetres (23.6 in) in overall length, in the United Kingdom."

- Dunblane - Wikipedia
- Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997 - Wikipedia
 
Saint Frankenstein

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Lone nutters extremely rare? So rare that when they happen no-one is surprised. If such an event occured in any similar country legislation would be passed urgently - eg:

"On 13 March 1996, local man Thomas Hamilton shot dead 16 children and their teacher, Gwen Mayor, in Dunblane Primary School's gymnasium before killing himself. He used his licensed weapons and ammunition. Following the incident, the government passed legislation banning ownership of all handguns—firearms under 60 centimetres (23.6 in) in overall length, in the United Kingdom."

- Dunblane - Wikipedia
- Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997 - Wikipedia
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Yes, they are. Just because the news sensationalizes it, doesn't mean it's common.
 
Saint Frankenstein

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Secret Chief said:
And unless and until your country addresses the issue these rare events will continue to occur (whether or not the news media report, sorry, sensationalise the tragedies).
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They happen all over the world, actually. In Canada, Latin America and Europe, especially. But it seems like a lot of the non-US people on this board love bashing the US and and obsessing over what they think our problems are.
 
Saint Frankenstein

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Secret Chief said:
I refer the reader back to the graphic in #29. You don't think children being shot is a problem then?
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Stop being rude and use reason. Most of the kids getting shot are being shot by other kids with illegal handguns. There's a lot of illegal guns on the streets that you can get for like $200 under the table. A lot of guns are smuggled across the border. So gun laws are irrelevant there. We would do more to help this issue by securing the border, working to break up street gangs, rejuvenating our inner cities and helping the residents there and doing something intensive to help young men avoid violence. Young men are desperately in need of help in our collapsing society (the West in general).
 
Secret Chief

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Saint Frankenstein said:
Stop being rude and use reason. Most of the kids getting shot are being shot by other kids with illegal handguns. There's a lot of illegal guns on the streets that you can get for like $200 under the table. A lot of guns are smuggled across the border. So gun laws are irrelevant there. We would do more to help this issue by securing the border, working to break up street gangs, rejuvenating our inner cities and helping the residents there and doing something intensive to help young men avoid violence. Young men are desperately in need of help in our collapsing society (the West in general).
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Stop ignoring the obvious and try some reason yourself. 42% of American households own at least one gun. There's 393 million weapons in a country with a population of 334 million. There's a constitutional right to own a weapon. Some more fencing on the border and some job training schemes won't change much.
 
Shaul

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"The U.S. is well below the world average in terms of the number of mass public shootings, and the global increase over time has been much bigger than for the United States.

Over the 20 years from 1998 to 2017, our list contains 2,772 attacks and at least 5,764 shooters outside the United States and 62 attacks and 66 shooters within our country. By our count, the US makes up less than 1.13% of the mass public shooters, 1.77% of their murders, and 2.19% of their attacks. All these are much less than the US’s 4.6% share of the world population. Attacks in the US are not only less frequent than other countries, they are also much less deadly on average. Out of the 101 countries where we have identified mass public shootings occurring, the United States ranks 66th in the per capita frequency of these attacks and 56th in the murder rate.

Not only have these attacks been much more common outside the US, the US’s share of these attacks has declined over time. There has been a much bigger increase over time in the number of mass shootings in the rest of the world compared to the US."

Comparing the Global Rate of Mass Public Shootings to the U.S.’s Rate and Comparing Their Changes Over Time
 
Quagmire

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Saint Frankenstein said:
They happen all over the world, actually. In Canada, Latin America and Europe, especially. But it seems like a lot of the non-US people on this board love bashing the US and and obsessing over what they think our problems are.
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We do have a lot of nosy, gossipy neighbors. :p

Hey, if it helps them forget about their own problems I say let them point at the guys with the biggest house and nicest yard and go "nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah" about our problems if it makes them feel better.
 
Secret Chief

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Shaul said:
"The U.S. is well below the world average in terms of the number of mass public shootings, and the global increase over time has been much bigger than for the United States.

Over the 20 years from 1998 to 2017, our list contains 2,772 attacks and at least 5,764 shooters outside the United States and 62 attacks and 66 shooters within our country. By our count, the US makes up less than 1.13% of the mass public shooters, 1.77% of their murders, and 2.19% of their attacks. All these are much less than the US’s 4.6% share of the world population. Attacks in the US are not only less frequent than other countries, they are also much less deadly on average. Out of the 101 countries where we have identified mass public shootings occurring, the United States ranks 66th in the per capita frequency of these attacks and 56th in the murder rate.

Not only have these attacks been much more common outside the US, the US’s share of these attacks has declined over time. There has been a much bigger increase over time in the number of mass shootings in the rest of the world compared to the US."

Comparing the Global Rate of Mass Public Shootings to the U.S.’s Rate and Comparing Their Changes Over Time
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Many comparable countries above the US? ie Western and rich. Not really a surprise to see the US below the likes of Gaza, Afghanistan, Somalia, Congo, Iraq and Colombia is it.
 
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