Another Mass Shooting - Guess the Country

[Twilight Hue]

Excessive force by police is indeed a serious issue and I'm proud of you for recognizing it.

Thank you.

I'm trying my best to make well reasoned and justified attempts to improve my arguments going forward because I just got my *** handed to me in another forum , causing me to reassess my approach to future topics by reducing my personal assumptions and unsubstantiated counterpoints and replacing it with things I can properly defend and even admit when I'm wrong on things , as long as reasonable and justified counterpoints are well explained in conjunction with any associated evidence supporting such counterpoints. This also must conversely apply when I'm making arguments in kind as well.

 

[McBell]

If two more had died would that change any of the trauma to the citizens whose elebration was ruined?

IMO, no it would not.
However, we are dealing with the FBIs definition of "mass shooting".

 

[Sand Dancer]

Would that mean that "gun free zones" are merely a target practice shooting range for a would be shooter?

They often are. Schools are popular "targets."

 

[metis]

Clearly, I need a sarcasm emoji.

Actually that's a good idea.

 

[metis]

That's like 99% of mass shootings (dumb kids with illegal handguns shooting each other over petty crap or gang shootings). But I bet y'all dont want to talk about that. Doesn't fit the narrative.

And where did you get that from? On top of that, what do you think should be done about that?

The studies I've seen in the past have it that most homicides in the major cities are family disputes gone bad and/or drug related disputes.

 

[metis]

They happen all over the world, actually. In Canada, Latin America and Europe, especially. But it seems like a lot of the non-US people on this board love bashing the US and and obsessing over what they think our problems are.

Some care more about their beloved guns than America's innocent children and adults, even though we lost 40,000 American lives due to guns last year.

 

[metis]

Yes, it doesn't. The chart in post #29 is based on inferior methodologies and data.

And you would know that??? OK, post your evidence if you say it's so!

 

[Shaul]

And you would know that??? OK, post your evidence if you say it's so!

The Crime Prevention Research Center web site link has already been provided. Read it.

 

[metis]

The Crime Prevention Research Center web site link has already been provided. Read it.

One has to create an account there and then in to get the data, so maybe actually copy and paste your supposed proof.

It is a well-known and verifiable fact that the U.S. has a very high rate of mass shootings [4 or more], so I honestly don't know where you're getting your "evidence" from and am suspicious you just posting a smokescreen?

 

[Shaul]

One has to create an account there and then in to get the data, so maybe actually copy and paste your supposed proof.

It is a well-known and verifiable fact that the U.S. has a very high rate of mass shootings [4 or more], so I honestly don't know where you're getting your "evidence" from and am suspicious you just posting a smokescreen?

I guess you don't want the source data bad enough. So settle for the summaries. Or don't.

The "well known fact" argument is so hilarious and cute. Ad populum fallacy is so quaint of you.

 

[McBell]

The Crime Prevention Research Center web site link has already been provided. Read it.

Your linked website does not even mention the website linked to in post#28.
Hells Bells, your linked sites source does not even mention the linked site n post #28.

So your claimed source that the site linked to in post #28 uses inferior methodologies and data is a fail.

Care to try again?

 

[Shaul]

Your linked website does not even mention the website linked to in post#28.
Hells Bells, your linked sites source does not even mention the linked site n post #28.

So your claimed source that the site linked to in post #28 uses inferior methodologies and data is a fail.

Care to try again?

The Crime Prevention Research Center web site contains all the data and analysis to refute the chart in #28. It also describes the methodology it used and why the methodology for the sources used in analysis #28 are inadequate. The chart in #28 relies on data as supplied by various countries which as explained is inadequate.

 

[dybmh]

I bet it was a man with a penis.

" ... a man ... "

This case is unique among American mass shootings. 3 individuals are in custody.

 

[dybmh]

Poor checks?
Mental illness?
Illegal immigrants?

"Kansas City police link Super Bowl rally shooting to dispute..."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/police-seek-clues-kansas-city-mass-shooting-with-3-people-custody-2024-02-15/

 

[McBell]

The Crime Prevention Research Center web site contains all the data and analysis to refute the chart in #28. It also describes the methodology it used and why the methodology for the sources used in analysis #28 are inadequate. The chart in #28 relies on data as supplied by various countries which as explained is inadequate.

Merely repeating an unsupported empty claim does not support the empty claim.

 

[Stevicus]

Kansas City mayor faces backlash after accusing Missouri Gov of using racial ‘dog whistle' while calling Super Bowl parade shooters ‘thugs'

"I disagree strongly with how he would describe that situation. I certainly do think this was criminal activity. It was lawlessness, and I think that that's troubling. But ‘thugs' is a dog whistle in the most classic sense."

"I've seen this dog whistle time and again. There's this kind of giant conservative theory on social media now that the reason these mug shots haven't been shown is because the purported defendants are Black, and if it were a White defendant we would have just shown them. That is absolutely preposterous. There are protections to juveniles," he added.

The Governor's office remained silent in response to Mayor Lucas' accusations, heightening tensions surrounding the issue. During his own interview, Parson deflected questions regarding potential gun control measures, opting to highlight gun laws in Chicago instead.

"Chicago's got the strictest gun laws in the nation and they lead the nation in homicides," he said. "You got to have a real conversation about what is the root problem because, you know, their laws are not working by no means."

There has been some backlash against Mayor Lucas over his comments:

Mayor Lucas' critique of Governor Parson's language sparked backlash on social media, with some accusing him of playing the race card and seeking attention.

"I'm sure Mayor Lucas would've been just as mad if these thugs were white. Give us a break. Lucas should be upset that these black teenagers opened fire on a crowd. BTW, the definition of 'thug': A violent, aggressive person, especially one who is a criminal," one posted on X.

"The mayor is telling on himself. He thinks thugs mean black people. He is the real racist," another offered.

"Can you believe it? Apparently, in Lucas' world, accurately describing criminals is now off-limits," someone else added.

"Mayor Quinton Lucas just wants attention!" another insisted.

I'm not sure what to make of this, although it seems that the focus is shifting to the public and political response to this shooting and not the shooting itself.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Canada too has gun laws, but not as strong as Mexico. One out of five households has a rifle or shotgun, but handgun ownership is very low. It appears that we may be exporting some handguns to Canada.

The stat that gets repeated here a lot is that about half of guns used in crime here are smuggled in from the US.

Handguns are considered restricted weapons here. They require a higher level of firearm license than you need for a rifle or shotgun, and there are significant restrictions on how they're used and stored.

Our laws don't really recognize a right to keep guns for personal defense. Our laws - and gun culture - is based mostly around hunting and to a lesser extent sport shooting.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The stat that gets reprated here a lot is that about half of guns used in crime here are smuggled in from the US.

Handguns are considered restricted weapons here. They require a higher level of firearm license than you need for a rifle or shotgun, and there are significant restrictions on how they're used and stored.

Our laws don't really recognize a right to keep guns for personal defense. Our laws - and gun culture - is based mostly around hunting and to a lesser extent sport shooting.

I can believe that. What got me was the claim that guns were coming across the border from Mexico. That made no sense to me. There are things that one can smuggle. But they are usually highly valuable things that were usually stolen, such as gems and jewelry, or illegal goods with a steady clientele, like illegal drugs. Guns in Mexico are even more highly regulated. That means that they are expensive there for those that want them illegally. Why would they bring them across the border where guns are legal and plentiful? As my searching showed me, guns are bought illegally here and then smuggled into Canada and Mexico, not the other way around.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I can believe that. What got me was the claim that guns were coming across the border from Mexico. That made no sense to me. There are things that one can smuggle. But they are usually highly valuable things that were usually stolen, such as gems and jewelry, or illegal goods with a steady clientele, like illegal drugs. Guns in Mexico are even more highly regulated. That means that they are expensive there for those that want them illegally. Why would they bring them across the border where guns are legal and plentiful? As my searching showed me, guns are bought illegally here and then smuggled into Canada and Mexico, not the other way around.

Indeed.

Smuggling guns into the US is kinda like bringing your own sand to the beach.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

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Wrong. The U.S. is way down the list of countries for killings per 100,000 people and below some Western European countries such as Finland, Switzerland and France.

Do mass shootings occur more often in France, Switzerland and Finland than in the United States?

Pauline Hanson claims that mass shootings happen more often in France, Switzerland and Finland than in the United States.

www.aap.com.au