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Another Science Thread

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
I'm not fearful of "advances" in science, technology, or engineering. What I'm fearful is of people looking at things as "advances" instead of understanding that all things have associated costs. What I'm fearful of is that humans that fail to understand what is lost from adopting "advances."

What I'm fearful of is mindless hedonism displayed by many technophiliacs – the unrestrained use of technology by an overpopulated ecosystem engineer that has already spiraled the biosphere into another mass extinction event and what is likely to be catastrophic global climatological change.
 

Avi1001

reform Jew humanist liberal feminist entrepreneur
Hey Quint, my concerns are similar, but a bit different. I think most scientists and engineers are cautious and respectful of our environment and the human population. My concern is more for the arrogant and greedy leaders who will not move quickly to correct problems that are arising. Two examples are the melting ice sheets in the Antarctic shell, and the growing ozone hole. These are due to global warming and green house gases.



I'm not fearful of "advances" in science, technology, or engineering. What I'm fearful is of people looking at things as "advances" instead of understanding that all things have associated costs. What I'm fearful of is that humans that fail to understand what is lost from adopting "advances."

What I'm fearful of is mindless hedonism displayed by many technophiliacs – the unrestrained use of technology by an overpopulated ecosystem engineer that has already spiraled the biosphere into another mass extinction event and what is likely to be catastrophic global climatological change.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
That's fair. It's when thing get unleashed to the less discerning masses that things become more troublesome. Sometimes I wonder if we should replace our mode of governance with a technocracy, but I'm not convinced that would be a solution.
 

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
I'm wary about the idiots that think these things will go unregulated more than I am the progression of technology.
 

illykitty

RF's pet cat
Tech could be used to live in harmony with nature. There's nothing to fear about it, what is to fear is the human decisions on how to use it.
 

Sultan Of Swing

Well-Known Member
Technology is great... except when its used for bad things. The people are the problem, not the technology itself.

With the potential end of Moore's Law up on the horizon, perhaps in the next decade or so, it is interesting to see where technology may go. There will come a point, perhaps within the next 20 years, where computers will stop getting faster. Processors will reach a finite speed. How humanity develops from here is something to watch.

Unless, of course, someone manages to find a way around the current problems of quantum tunnelling and other atomic difficulties and is able to continue Moore's Law through some other means rather than making transistors smaller and smaller.

Either way, the world of technology is about to become very interesting, more so than usual. Either with some new revolution in processing power or with the complete standstill of actually making faster processors, both of which would of course have huge knock-on effects for the rest of the technological world. I don't think the public is properly aware yet of how in the next few decades computers could very well hit a finite wall, and we won't be seeing the rapid growth that we're used to.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
I'm not fearful either.

I'm disappointed, I like and prefer human contact and exchange. I love the outdoors and sports. I don't want to be able to live a simulated life and I want others to agree. Unfortunately they won't and I will be the odd man out.
 

Sultan Of Swing

Well-Known Member
I'm not fearful either.

I'm disappointed, I like and prefer human contact and exchange. I love the outdoors and sports. I don't want to be able to live a simulated life and I want others to agree. Unfortunately they won't and I will be the odd man out.

Oh I agree that real human contact is always better than some simulated life or telephone call through something like Skype. The great outdoors is wonderful, and no technology is going to beat its beauty. Nevertheless, public demand for faster gadgets and computers drives technology forward, not to mention humanity's general interest in discovering and inventing new things, which is a beautiful part of nature in itself.
 

illykitty

RF's pet cat
I'm not really that much of an outdoors or sporty sort but I know what you mean. But I can conjure up situations where it could be a "good" thing...

Consider this scenario, climate change changes the world as we know it. You might live in a place that becomes, at times, unpleasant. Virtual reality gives you that beautiful outdoors experience again that you can no longer enjoy.

Would it still be considered a bad thing to you or something you would refuse to use?
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
I'm not really that much of an outdoors or sporty sort but I know what you mean. But I can conjure up situations where it could be a "good" thing...

Consider this scenario, climate change changes the world as we know it. You might live in a place that becomes, at times, unpleasant. Virtual reality gives you that beautiful outdoors experience again that you can no longer enjoy.

Would it still be considered a bad thing to you or something you would refuse to use?

I can and do refuse but not enough people do. I will be on the trails or my bike; I will be in the park or fishing all alone. Once virtual reality becomes feesible I believe 90% of the US will never see the sun. They fear the outside, they fear some one will hurt them and they fear real change. So they will make a safe world they can live in where no one gets really hurt, yet they can pretend experience it. I have a great imagination that can make me happy but it never equals my experiences in reality.

There are other problems that would occur. Physical body failures, Government control, Mental problems and Emotional problems would all become the normal for these Virtual people.
 
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