crystalonyx
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This simply is not true.
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This simply is not true.
Popeyesays
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What part of it is simply untrue? If I misread your motives, I am sorry, but those authors were relying on eye witness accounts. The earliest Gospel was set down about 60 AD, just prior to the destruction of the Temple.
Regards,
Scott
ayani
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hey guys, just so we keep in mind.... for the Muslims debating here.
Say: "Do you debate with us regarding God? He is our Lord and your Lord, and we have our work and you have your work, and to Him we are believers." 2:139
If they debate with you, then say: "I have submitted myself to God, as well as those who follow me." And say to those who have received the Scripture and the Gentiles: "Have you submitted?" If they have submitted then they are guided, and if they turn away, then you are only to deliver, and God is watcher over the servants. 3:20
And do not argue with the people of the Scripture except in the respectful manner; except for those who are wicked amongst them; and say: "We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our God and your God is the same; to Him we submit." 29:46
Say: "Do you debate with us regarding God? He is our Lord and your Lord, and we have our work and you have your work, and to Him we are believers." 2:139
If they debate with you, then say: "I have submitted myself to God, as well as those who follow me." And say to those who have received the Scripture and the Gentiles: "Have you submitted?" If they have submitted then they are guided, and if they turn away, then you are only to deliver, and God is watcher over the servants. 3:20
And do not argue with the people of the Scripture except in the respectful manner; except for those who are wicked amongst them; and say: "We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our God and your God is the same; to Him we submit." 29:46
Popeyesays
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The Hidden Words of Bahá'u'lláh (Arabic), by Bahá'u'lláh, pp. 39-41:
40. O SON OF MAN!
Wert thou to speed through the immensity of space and traverse the expanse of heaven, yet thou wouldst find no rest save in submission to Our command and humbleness before Our Face. Regards,
Scott
Get serious, children. Knowledge of scripture is does not impress God. God has provided that we in this world should communicate with each other with words. But He has also placed us in an imperfect world. This imperfection is design to direct our attention to what is yet more perfect. That which is within. Books that are thousands of years old will never convey the fulness of eternal truth. This you can only receive in the eternal realms. But a greate mystery is yours to know: That your are the living word of God and your life if you obey God, is a testimoney of the perfection of His plan. Can anyone describe with words the love of God for all of his people. Which is more important to the Muslim, the J ew and the Christian? That what you claim is God's word is as true as YOU say it is? Or that from the Begining God has through them REVEALED HIMSELF. Is God's mercy a word? What about his Benificence? Or His Forgiveness? What word describes His love? Is the faith that God asks us to practice a word? Yet each of us is capable of all of these things. God has made us like HIM. STOP depending on the words and learn the import of the activities the words convey that we should engage in! This what the Word was given to us to help us learn. I hardly think that God will require of us a test of our literacy in Biblical or Quran scripture in order to be recieved into His eternal embrace. These squabbles are the very ones that blind us to the message God is trying to send us. "LOVE YE ONE ANOTHER."
Poisonshady313
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2. Ahaziah was forty-two years old when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem, and his mother's name was Athaliah the daughter of Omri.
forty two years old But in II Kings (8:26), Scripture says: twenty-two years old. How is this possible? Moreover, according to this, the son was two years his fathers senior, [because Joram ascended the throne at thirty-two and died eight years later, making him forty years old upon his death,] but two years before Joram his father was born, this decree was issued upon the house of David that it would end with the house of Ahab, and so Scripture states (below verse 7): And from God was Ahaziahs downfall, etc. and on the day that Asa took Omris daughter for Jehoshaphat his son, this decree was issued. So it was taught in Seder Olam (ch. 17) and in the Tosefta of Sotah (12:3). But throughout Scripture we do not find that Jehoshaphat married Omris daughter, but I did find (above 18:1): and he allied himself in marriage with Ahab, and perhaps that was his sister that he married, and in the thirty first year of Asa he married her, as it is said in (I Kings 16:23): And (sic) in the thirty-first year of Asa, etc. Omri reigned. And when Asa married his daughter to Jehoshaphat his son, Omri gained importance, and they slew Tibni. Figure from the thirty-first year of Asa until Ahaziah reigned, and you will find forty two years. Further, one verse states (II Kings 8: 25): In the twelfth year of Joram the son of Ahab, etc., Ahaziah the son of Joram reigned, and another verse states (ibid. 9:29): And in the eleventh year of Joram son of Ahab, Ahaziah became king. Perforce, his father did not die until the twelfth year of Joram son of Ahab, because it is written (ibid. 8:16f.): In the fifth year of Joram the son of Ahab, etc., Joram the son of Jehoshaphat became king, etc., and he reigned eight years. And that which Scripture states further, In the eleventh year of Joram, is because he reigned one year during his fathers lifetime since his father was smitten with severe illnesses, as it is written (above 21:18.): And after all this, the Lord plagued him, etc. (22:1) And the inhabitants of Jerusalem made Ahaziah, his youngest son, king, for one year during his fathers lifetime, and that is what is written: In the eleventh year of Joram. And where Scripture says: In the twelfth year of Joram, it means that after his father died, it was the twelfth year of Joram.
forty two years old But in II Kings (8:26), Scripture says: twenty-two years old. How is this possible? Moreover, according to this, the son was two years his fathers senior, [because Joram ascended the throne at thirty-two and died eight years later, making him forty years old upon his death,] but two years before Joram his father was born, this decree was issued upon the house of David that it would end with the house of Ahab, and so Scripture states (below verse 7): And from God was Ahaziahs downfall, etc. and on the day that Asa took Omris daughter for Jehoshaphat his son, this decree was issued. So it was taught in Seder Olam (ch. 17) and in the Tosefta of Sotah (12:3). But throughout Scripture we do not find that Jehoshaphat married Omris daughter, but I did find (above 18:1): and he allied himself in marriage with Ahab, and perhaps that was his sister that he married, and in the thirty first year of Asa he married her, as it is said in (I Kings 16:23): And (sic) in the thirty-first year of Asa, etc. Omri reigned. And when Asa married his daughter to Jehoshaphat his son, Omri gained importance, and they slew Tibni. Figure from the thirty-first year of Asa until Ahaziah reigned, and you will find forty two years. Further, one verse states (II Kings 8: 25): In the twelfth year of Joram the son of Ahab, etc., Ahaziah the son of Joram reigned, and another verse states (ibid. 9:29): And in the eleventh year of Joram son of Ahab, Ahaziah became king. Perforce, his father did not die until the twelfth year of Joram son of Ahab, because it is written (ibid. 8:16f.): In the fifth year of Joram the son of Ahab, etc., Joram the son of Jehoshaphat became king, etc., and he reigned eight years. And that which Scripture states further, In the eleventh year of Joram, is because he reigned one year during his fathers lifetime since his father was smitten with severe illnesses, as it is written (above 21:18.): And after all this, the Lord plagued him, etc. (22:1) And the inhabitants of Jerusalem made Ahaziah, his youngest son, king, for one year during his fathers lifetime, and that is what is written: In the eleventh year of Joram. And where Scripture says: In the twelfth year of Joram, it means that after his father died, it was the twelfth year of Joram.
Charity
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We do love each other :group: but this is why it is called a debate, because we all have our own opinion........I love my own family, but sometimes we disagree.
Poisonshady313
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Well, I've answered the matter of Ahazia. Let's move on to the next, shall we?
Poisonshady313
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You mean, then, to let this thread just die?