The problem with the concept of morality is that in a sense, atheists, non theists are amoral.
It depends on what you define moral.
Please do not take offense.
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The reason for this is that once morality is subjective to each person's individual idea of what is right and wrong, there can be no set morality.
If you'll read the posts here, I stated the subjective morality (imo) is irrelevant.
It is only relevant in the sense that our society defines morals based on the common subjective moralities.
Some find child pornography OK
Most find it wrong. that is why it is illegal and considered immoral.
We find it wrong because we understand the consequences of such things on our children.
We know humans can be very cruel and selfish, and that sexuality is a very complex and can become very abusive towards other beings.
others not, some find the various, and at times frowned upon, social sexual activities such as fornication,
Usually those who believe god says it is wrong.
If a man or woman is in misery in his marriage, would you say it is immoral if he committed an adultery?
It might be considered wrong to cheat, but rarely is it considered immoral. it really depends on the circumstances.
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Those who think homosexuality is immoral are idiots. plain and simple.
That is a very broad issue
, and what not OK, others not.
This is not morality
agreed.
, it is individually practiced principles, and
it is amorality, since there is no established set of morality.
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there is. we call it social behavior.
I agree with you that me, myself, have no objective morality. obviously.
I have my beliefs of what i think is moral and what not.
Are you a theist?
can you provide an example of a morality decision you can make that i cannot reason with? (exuding things like, it is immoral to say god probably doesn't exist)
I will state that even in the Christian morality scheme of things, there is little or no objective morality because many peoples' morality depend on the church a person belongs to.
Not really.
Maybe in the more simple things. when it comes to hard choices, people will always have their own pov of things.
it might be very affected, though, by preachers and a likes. that is what makes religion or any other non scientific way of looking at things
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If you speak of direct Biblical and Christian morality, it is quite objective.
Objective? maybe, moral? not so much.
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This does not mean that it is without areas poorly defined. At least one important area lacks stronger guidelines. But! What is - is. What is not - isn't.
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lol.
This means that at times, one must act according to both the knowledge of the morality given, as it is, and in harmony with what seems to be the path that does not incur wrath from above. In at least one such case, this could mean that one takes a path that might be permitted, but is avoided due to the desire to stay as far away from wrongdoing as is possible.
here are some question that biblical morality fails in answering:
what is more important? life of a human or worship of god?
what is more important? life of animals or worship of god?
life of a child or life of a king?
promised lands or human life?
honor of parents or not suffering of children?
these are all questions that are unsuccessfully answered by the "moral" assumptions made by the writers of the bible.
It is a bold attempt to "inject" other moral thinking to the ancient people, but it very lacking comparing to what we know today.
You asked for one question that cannot be solved without knowledge.
indeed.
This may sound odd for a person living in the western culture; the question is: is it permitted to have more than one wife?
You are asking if it is permitted? or immoral?
these are two different things.
I can present you thousands of people that lead a very fruitful and happy lives being married to more than one wife (both the wives and the husband).
It will be immoral, if the wives have no say about whether or not the want to be one of many.
The reason this question is legit
it is legit, yet again, you don't provide enough information in order to solve it
is the husband a good man?
are the wives happy?
are they well treated?
are the children being raised in a healthy loving environment?
is the husband happy with his wives?
are there any rules that might be considered abusive to the wives?
if the answer is that they all live happy, healthy, free lives, i cant see the immorality of such a thing.
is because, though many may not realize it, Christians in the 1st century were permitted
the word
permitted, makes the one permitting to be immoral.
how come you don't see it?
to have more than one wife if they were converts. Once they became converts, baptized, they were encouraged to only have one. Encouraged!
encouraged is another story
based on studies and statistics, we can understand if it is a better way to live or not.
but eventually, there is no morality question in such thing.
But, not forbidden to have more than one. Having more than one wife would affect their status in the congregation.
So, does that mean that God, and Christ, does not mind me marrying more than one wife? If yes, how would I go about doing that in a western country so as to satisfy the God and Christ?
Exactly!!!!
