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Antisemitic incidents at record highs in America according to the Anti Defamation League.

Heyo

Veteran Member
I hadn't read that anywhere before. What a disgusting attack on the Constitution and Americanism. I found a link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/03/22/chaplains-public-schools-culture-wars/
I learned it from Hemant Mehta, the Friendly Atheist:

Still, even if they succeed, I think the die is cast for the continued waning of the American church's cultural hegemony.
And that is the reason they fight tooth and nails to keep it. And there is a real chance they will hurt democracy in the process, I think they already did.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I fear the current SCotUS may not see it that way - even though it pretty obviously is.
SCOTUS needs to be renovated.
It should have more diversity in order to
broadly consider the issues before it.
Then better rulings could be crafted.
With 6 of 9 being Catholic, how about
replacing one with a heathen, eh?
We could use some representation.
 
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Heyo

Veteran Member
SCOTUS needs to be renovated.
It needs more diversity in order to more
broadly consider the issues before it.
Then better rulings could be crafted.
I hear you, but who is going to do that? I may not have followed US politics as closely as before, but I didn't register any attempt by Congress to fix SCotUS or Dobbs.
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
Everyone knows better in their own way.

That's why point and counterpoint exists.

If it proves bothersome, then take a break from making responses until your ready for another round.
You are, I suppose, aware that "semites" include Palestinians and Arabs -- and that Jews include many people who are religiously Jewish but not semitic, having come from other parts of the world after the diaspora.
Palestinians are descended from Muslem immigrants to Palestine who don't like their distant Jewish cousins who are decedents of immigrants to Palestine.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Palestinians are descended from Muslem immigrants to Palestine who don't like their distant Jewish cousins who are decedents of immigrants to Palestine.

The above is not just an inaccurate oversimplification; it's an inaccuracy that feeds into racially charged hatred and stereotyping.

Genetic studies reveal that modern Palestinians share genetic continuity with Bronze-Age Levantine populations and exhibit similarity with both contemporary Jewish and Arab-speaking Levantine groups.[2][3][4][5][6][7] Many Palestinian villagers claim ancestral ties to Arab tribes from the Arabian Peninsula that settled in Palestine during or after the Arab conquest,[8] while others trace their roots to Turkish, North African, Kurdish, Egyptian, and Turkman origins. Some claim Jewish[9] or Samaritan[10][11] ancestry based on oral traditions.


The sources are all linked in the above excerpt for anyone who wants to look at some studies regarding Palestinian DNA and ancestry, which indeed include ancient ties to the Levant and Middle East in general.
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
The above is not just an inaccurate oversimplification; it's an inaccuracy that feeds into racially charged hatred and stereotyping.




The sources are all linked in the above excerpt for anyone who wants to look at some studies regarding Palestinian DNA and ancestry, which indeed include ancient ties to the Levant and Middle East in general.
A percentage of the Palestinians today are ancestors of immigrants from Iraq, Egypt, Arabia etc who had immigrated to the region in the early 1900's in search of employment which was natural. Capitol was coming back into the region. Thats why I say both Jews and Palestinians who have common genetic ancestry are immigrants. Of coarse far more Jews have immigrated back to Israel.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
What does that have to do with antisemitism? I ask only because there is a persistent sophomoric effort to divest the term of meaning, an act which, ironically, serves only antisemitism.
I've never understood antisemitism (or any other bigotry, for that matter). Growing up in the Children's Aid exposed me early to all sorts, and the same with my years in a boy's private boarding school, run by Quakers -- so filled, again, with people from all over the world. My last roommate was a Jewish boy I liked very much.

I have, however, observed some of the hatred towards Jews by many Christians and Muslims I've known. While the U.S. claims complete support for Israel, I can't help but notice that this is not true of many individual Americans. As I've written elsewhere, there is some confusion among American Christians about the notion of Jews as "Christ-killers," which strikes me as very odd because they also believe that to be part of God's plan -- and necessary to their "salvation." And again, the support for Israel seems to have much to do with the need to keep Har Megiddo (Tel Megiddo) ready for the final battle so the earth can end and the elect can go to their heavenly reward.

It all confuses the hell out of me.

Funny, I remember doing my first production of "The Merchant of Venice" (the same year in high-school that I had a Jewish roommate). I discovered that Shakespeare put aside the usual prejudice against Jews -- after all, there are two other Jewish characters in the play who are not Shylock (Tubal and Jessica). Rather, Shakespeare treats Shylock as a bad Jew and Antonio as a bad Christian. Thinking about it that way was a pretty good learning experience for me.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
What does that have to do with antisemitism? I ask only because there is a persistent sophomoric effort to divest the term of meaning, an act which, ironically, serves only antisemitism.
The meaning appears to be changing.
"Sophomoric" efforts to keep the phrase limited
to an insult wielded by Zionists will likely fail.
 
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