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sooda
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The Shining Ones from Ancient Mesopotamia
The early records of The Shining Ones can be found in 5 basic sources:
According to Sumerian creation myth, Angels were known under the name of Anunnaki or Anannage (great sons of Anu), and they were the founders of their culture. An (Sumerian) or Anu (Akkadian) was the chief God of Sun and Sky, and his name means "The Shining One". Anunnaki were, according to this, "Sons of the Shining One" or "Sons of Light".
Anunnaki were culturally and technically advanced people who situated themselves in the slopes of Middle East around 8200 BC. Their primary goal was to establish agricultural center for learning and training of the local population.
They were described as "The Shining Lords of Cultivation". The Goddess Ninlil or Ninkharsag, wife of Enlil, ruled the land. Early Sumerian described themselves as being always nurtured by her milk, and they called her "the great Mother Goddess of Moon".
Ancient Goddess Sculpture Ishtar Inanna Ashtart Son of Enlil and Ninlil was the God of War Ninurta, known as Nimrod, which just like Osiris, became linked with constellation of Orion. Other gods were moon goddess Nanna and Sun God Shamash. Also, there was Inanna (Sumerian) or Ishtar (Akkadian), Shamash’s sister (or wife by some records), which was linked with Venus.
Texts on Sumerian Gods vary; in fact, they have developed over the time, which makes it even harder to understand their origin. However, we can see that these Shining Ones, who became worshiped as the Sumerian pantheon of gods and goddesses, seem to have been a dynastic ruling family or clan.
An as the chief authority became universal "Father God", which was depicted in 3000 BC from the city of Uruk, for which it was said that he founded.
A lot of detail is not clear, regarding the lineages, same as the connection between sisters, wives, mothers, fathers, brothers and sons. One thing, that is clear, is that some of the deities repeat themselves continuously, like An, Enlil, Enki, Ninkharsag, Inanna and Shamash. Their character and functions will form a base for Egyptian, Greek and Roman pantheon of Gods.
The Garden of Eden
There are furthermore evidences of this connection with the Shining Ones in Sumerian tablets. Ninlil or Ninkharsag "Lady of Kharsag", wife of Enlil, asks the council of seven to create Eden (E-din) or heavenly garden. For Sumerians, E-din was "abode of rightful ones".
This is the same heavenly garden which also can be found in the Bible. The tree of life and knowledge in the biblical garden alludes to secrets of the Shining Ones. It can be associated with the "tree" of seven chakras, the "tree" which lead the Shining One into "heaven". This tree later became the "tree of life" in the esoteric system of Qabbalah. Number seven has cosmologically wide significance, and council of seven is the same as seven archangels or seven messengers from the Bible, which came from the heavens. Sumerians built their towers or Ziggurats with seven levels. It was said that the Shining deities resided at the top of Ziggurat – the "Great House" or Ekur.
In our research we looked at the different cultures which have emerged from the Shining Ones just like the connections between them. We don’t have a clear picture of everything, and there are still some grey areas.
However, one of the examples of this connection is a biblical story of the Flood. This Hebrew myth is very similar to the one found in Sumerian "Epic of Gilgamesh". Furthermore, link with the Book of Genesis ends with the story of Tower of Babel (Babylon), which was at that time situated in the region of the Sumerian empire. The story in the Bible suggests that secret knowledge that was connected with the Shining Ones initially was brought in Babylon and then transferred from there.
In all of these cultures there are records of special groups that represent priesthood elite of the Shining Ones, small yet powerful group which experienced the enlightenment. In Sumeria, we found Egregore or Watchers and many other epithets which were given to them. From all of them, we can conclude that they also were the Shining Ones. The Shining Ones we can also find in Bible in which they are considered as Angels of Gods. Egyptian name Neteru can also be translated Watcher, which is also the meaning of the name Essen.
The Essenes were the Hebrew sect for which it was said to stand behind the writings of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Name Essen or "Essees" comes from Hebrew meaning "preserver" or "guardian". They also were called Watchers, "Sons of Light" and "Servants of God".
One segment of etymology pointed that Sumeria was home of the Shining Ones. The name "Sumer" comes from the word "Shumer" which, when literary translated, means "Land of the Watchers". This was no other land than Biblical land of "Shin'ar" which means "the place of the Shining Ones."
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Fallen Angels, Anunnaki, Nephelim, Watchers – The Shining Ones from Ancient Mesopotamia
The early records of The Shining Ones can be found in 5 basic sources:
- Sumerian tablets from the library in Nippur where they are called by the name Annunaki (Anannage)
- In Bible, Book of Genesis, Numbers, Deuteronomy, where the name of Nephilim was given to them
- Writings in Greece that can be accounted to Babylonian priest Berossus
- The Book of Enoch, where they are mentioned by the name of Angels, Watchers, Nephilim
- Book of Jubilees
According to Sumerian creation myth, Angels were known under the name of Anunnaki or Anannage (great sons of Anu), and they were the founders of their culture. An (Sumerian) or Anu (Akkadian) was the chief God of Sun and Sky, and his name means "The Shining One". Anunnaki were, according to this, "Sons of the Shining One" or "Sons of Light".
Anunnaki were culturally and technically advanced people who situated themselves in the slopes of Middle East around 8200 BC. Their primary goal was to establish agricultural center for learning and training of the local population.
They were described as "The Shining Lords of Cultivation". The Goddess Ninlil or Ninkharsag, wife of Enlil, ruled the land. Early Sumerian described themselves as being always nurtured by her milk, and they called her "the great Mother Goddess of Moon".
Ancient Goddess Sculpture Ishtar Inanna Ashtart Son of Enlil and Ninlil was the God of War Ninurta, known as Nimrod, which just like Osiris, became linked with constellation of Orion. Other gods were moon goddess Nanna and Sun God Shamash. Also, there was Inanna (Sumerian) or Ishtar (Akkadian), Shamash’s sister (or wife by some records), which was linked with Venus.
Texts on Sumerian Gods vary; in fact, they have developed over the time, which makes it even harder to understand their origin. However, we can see that these Shining Ones, who became worshiped as the Sumerian pantheon of gods and goddesses, seem to have been a dynastic ruling family or clan.
An as the chief authority became universal "Father God", which was depicted in 3000 BC from the city of Uruk, for which it was said that he founded.
A lot of detail is not clear, regarding the lineages, same as the connection between sisters, wives, mothers, fathers, brothers and sons. One thing, that is clear, is that some of the deities repeat themselves continuously, like An, Enlil, Enki, Ninkharsag, Inanna and Shamash. Their character and functions will form a base for Egyptian, Greek and Roman pantheon of Gods.
The Garden of Eden
There are furthermore evidences of this connection with the Shining Ones in Sumerian tablets. Ninlil or Ninkharsag "Lady of Kharsag", wife of Enlil, asks the council of seven to create Eden (E-din) or heavenly garden. For Sumerians, E-din was "abode of rightful ones".
This is the same heavenly garden which also can be found in the Bible. The tree of life and knowledge in the biblical garden alludes to secrets of the Shining Ones. It can be associated with the "tree" of seven chakras, the "tree" which lead the Shining One into "heaven". This tree later became the "tree of life" in the esoteric system of Qabbalah. Number seven has cosmologically wide significance, and council of seven is the same as seven archangels or seven messengers from the Bible, which came from the heavens. Sumerians built their towers or Ziggurats with seven levels. It was said that the Shining deities resided at the top of Ziggurat – the "Great House" or Ekur.
In our research we looked at the different cultures which have emerged from the Shining Ones just like the connections between them. We don’t have a clear picture of everything, and there are still some grey areas.
However, one of the examples of this connection is a biblical story of the Flood. This Hebrew myth is very similar to the one found in Sumerian "Epic of Gilgamesh". Furthermore, link with the Book of Genesis ends with the story of Tower of Babel (Babylon), which was at that time situated in the region of the Sumerian empire. The story in the Bible suggests that secret knowledge that was connected with the Shining Ones initially was brought in Babylon and then transferred from there.
In all of these cultures there are records of special groups that represent priesthood elite of the Shining Ones, small yet powerful group which experienced the enlightenment. In Sumeria, we found Egregore or Watchers and many other epithets which were given to them. From all of them, we can conclude that they also were the Shining Ones. The Shining Ones we can also find in Bible in which they are considered as Angels of Gods. Egyptian name Neteru can also be translated Watcher, which is also the meaning of the name Essen.
The Essenes were the Hebrew sect for which it was said to stand behind the writings of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Name Essen or "Essees" comes from Hebrew meaning "preserver" or "guardian". They also were called Watchers, "Sons of Light" and "Servants of God".
One segment of etymology pointed that Sumeria was home of the Shining Ones. The name "Sumer" comes from the word "Shumer" which, when literary translated, means "Land of the Watchers". This was no other land than Biblical land of "Shin'ar" which means "the place of the Shining Ones."
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Fallen Angels, Anunnaki, Nephelim, Watchers – The Shining Ones from Ancient Mesopotamia
Understanding Mesopotamian deities as demons largely comes from medieval works like the Dictionnaire Infernal which contextualized a lot of the false idols (Mesopotamian deities) found in the Old Testament as existing demonic forces, rather than merely being simply false idols. Websites like the ones you mention continue that tradition.
sooda
Veteran Member
One Group under the name of "Nephilim" or "Watchers" had a task to guard the Garden of Eden.
But, as it is written in the Book of Enoch, they started to mix with indigenous people. Enoch was Noah’s grandfather, son of Jared (Genesis, 5:18). This book is not included into canonical books today, and most of the Christian churches consider it as pseudepigrapha.
However the Ethiopian Orthodox Church regards it to be canonical to this day. In chapter seven of the book, there is a description how Nephilims mixed with indigenous people of surrounding area:
It happened after the sons of men had multiplied in those days that daughters were born to them, elegant and beautiful. And when the angels, the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamoured of them. They started saying to each other, Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men and let us beget children.
Then their leader Samyaza said to them; I fear that you may perhaps be indisposed to the performance of this enterprise and that I alone shall suffer for so grievous a crime. But they answered him and said; We all swear; And bind ourselves by mutual execrations, that we will not change our intention, but execute our projected undertaking. Then they swore all together, and all bound themselves by mutual execrations.
Their whole number was two hundred, who descended upon Ardis, which is the top of mount Armon. That mountain, therefore, was called Armon, because they had sworn upon it and bound themselves by mutual execrations. These are the names of their chiefs: Samyaza, who was their leader, Urakabarameel, Akibeel, Tamiel, Ramuel, Danel, Azkeel, Saraknyal, Asael, Armers, Batraal, Anane, Zavebe, Samsaveel, Ertael, Turel, Yomyael, Arazyal. These were the prefects of the two hundred angels, and the remainders were all with them.
From this union, a hybrid race was produced, the race of Giants:
Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees. And the women conceived brought forth giants, whose stature was each three hundred cubits.
These devoured all which the labor of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them; when they turned themselves against men, in order to devour them; and began to injure birds, beasts, reptiles, and fishes, to eat their flesh one after another, and to drink their blood. Then the earth reproved the unrighteous.
In chapter eight there is even description how these rebels transferred knowledge and taught people in the skills of combat and how to make weapons:
Moreover Azazyel taught men to make swords, knives, shields, breastplates, the fabrication of mirrors, and the workmanship of bracelets and ornaments, the use of paint, the beautifying of the eyebrows, the use of stones of every valuable and select kind, and all sorts of dyes, so that the world became altered. Impiety increased; fornication multiplied; and they transgressed and corrupted all their ways.
Amazarak taught all the sorcery, and dividers of roots: Armers taught the solution of sorcery; Barkayal taught the observing of the stars, Akibeel taught signs; Tamiel taught astronomy; And Asaradel taught the motion of the moon, and men, being destroyed, cried out; and their voice reached heaven.
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Fallen Angels, Anunnaki, Nephelim, Watchers – The Shining Ones from Ancient Mesopotamia
But, as it is written in the Book of Enoch, they started to mix with indigenous people. Enoch was Noah’s grandfather, son of Jared (Genesis, 5:18). This book is not included into canonical books today, and most of the Christian churches consider it as pseudepigrapha.
However the Ethiopian Orthodox Church regards it to be canonical to this day. In chapter seven of the book, there is a description how Nephilims mixed with indigenous people of surrounding area:
It happened after the sons of men had multiplied in those days that daughters were born to them, elegant and beautiful. And when the angels, the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamoured of them. They started saying to each other, Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men and let us beget children.
Then their leader Samyaza said to them; I fear that you may perhaps be indisposed to the performance of this enterprise and that I alone shall suffer for so grievous a crime. But they answered him and said; We all swear; And bind ourselves by mutual execrations, that we will not change our intention, but execute our projected undertaking. Then they swore all together, and all bound themselves by mutual execrations.
Their whole number was two hundred, who descended upon Ardis, which is the top of mount Armon. That mountain, therefore, was called Armon, because they had sworn upon it and bound themselves by mutual execrations. These are the names of their chiefs: Samyaza, who was their leader, Urakabarameel, Akibeel, Tamiel, Ramuel, Danel, Azkeel, Saraknyal, Asael, Armers, Batraal, Anane, Zavebe, Samsaveel, Ertael, Turel, Yomyael, Arazyal. These were the prefects of the two hundred angels, and the remainders were all with them.
From this union, a hybrid race was produced, the race of Giants:
Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees. And the women conceived brought forth giants, whose stature was each three hundred cubits.
These devoured all which the labor of men produced; until it became impossible to feed them; when they turned themselves against men, in order to devour them; and began to injure birds, beasts, reptiles, and fishes, to eat their flesh one after another, and to drink their blood. Then the earth reproved the unrighteous.
In chapter eight there is even description how these rebels transferred knowledge and taught people in the skills of combat and how to make weapons:
Moreover Azazyel taught men to make swords, knives, shields, breastplates, the fabrication of mirrors, and the workmanship of bracelets and ornaments, the use of paint, the beautifying of the eyebrows, the use of stones of every valuable and select kind, and all sorts of dyes, so that the world became altered. Impiety increased; fornication multiplied; and they transgressed and corrupted all their ways.
Amazarak taught all the sorcery, and dividers of roots: Armers taught the solution of sorcery; Barkayal taught the observing of the stars, Akibeel taught signs; Tamiel taught astronomy; And Asaradel taught the motion of the moon, and men, being destroyed, cried out; and their voice reached heaven.
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Fallen Angels, Anunnaki, Nephelim, Watchers – The Shining Ones from Ancient Mesopotamia
sooda
Veteran Member
Excerpt:
In King James Bible is the first place where we can find mention of Giants:
Genesis 6:1
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years.
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.
We already discovered that race of Giants was mentioned in the Bible – Nephilim (Genesis 6:4, Numbers 13:32, Deuteronomy 1:28), Refaim (Joshua 12:4) and Anak (Joshua 14:15).
Most of the biblical records concerning giants speak of the times before the Flood, the great catastrophe. The stories from Mesopotamia and the Book of Enoch tells us that the flood was the result of the war in "heaven" caused by mixing of Watchers with women from the earth.
Besides Nephelims they were called – "the Fallen Ones" or fallen Watchers in the Book of Enoch, these giants were also known under the name of Anakim or Anak. They probably had a father called Arba, who was the original builder of Hebron (Genesis 35:27). Here we have a subtle link with architecture and structure.
In Deuteronomy (2:10-11), it was written:
The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.
Word that was used for a giant was Raphah, which literary translated would be "Giant". So, there existed many more giants which lived after the Flood in different areas, not only in the land of Canaanites.
In the Bible, there is also stated that after the Flood, the children of Israel were sent as spies in the land of Canaan so that they could prepare for the invasion. These scouts discovered giant living there which they reported to Moses.
Numbers (13:28-33)
Nevertheless the people are strong that dwell in the land and the cities are walled, and very great: and moreover we saw the children of Anak there. The Amalekites dwell in the land of the south: and the Hittites and the Jebusites, and the Amorites, dwell in the mountains: and the Canaanites dwell by the sea, and by the coast of Jordan.
And Caleb stilled the people before Moses and said, Let us go up at once and possess it; for we are well able to overcome it. But the men, which went up with him, said, We are not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we. And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying,
The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people, that we saw in it, are men of a great stature. And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Word used for giants was Nephilim, which was also applied in Genesis 6:4, which tells us that giants survived the Flood.
It seems that after that there was the second irruption of these "Fallen Angels". But this time they were fewer in number and restricted to a particular area (Canaan).
They were also known as the "Nation of Canaan". Because of their destruction the swords of Israel rose.
Also, we can find that Moab was also known as the land of giants; giants lived there, and Ammonites called them Zamzummims.
Deuteronomy (2:20-21)
That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims; A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead.
In King James Bible is the first place where we can find mention of Giants:
Genesis 6:1
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years.
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.
We already discovered that race of Giants was mentioned in the Bible – Nephilim (Genesis 6:4, Numbers 13:32, Deuteronomy 1:28), Refaim (Joshua 12:4) and Anak (Joshua 14:15).
Most of the biblical records concerning giants speak of the times before the Flood, the great catastrophe. The stories from Mesopotamia and the Book of Enoch tells us that the flood was the result of the war in "heaven" caused by mixing of Watchers with women from the earth.
Besides Nephelims they were called – "the Fallen Ones" or fallen Watchers in the Book of Enoch, these giants were also known under the name of Anakim or Anak. They probably had a father called Arba, who was the original builder of Hebron (Genesis 35:27). Here we have a subtle link with architecture and structure.
In Deuteronomy (2:10-11), it was written:
The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.
Word that was used for a giant was Raphah, which literary translated would be "Giant". So, there existed many more giants which lived after the Flood in different areas, not only in the land of Canaanites.
In the Bible, there is also stated that after the Flood, the children of Israel were sent as spies in the land of Canaan so that they could prepare for the invasion. These scouts discovered giant living there which they reported to Moses.
Numbers (13:28-33)
Nevertheless the people are strong that dwell in the land and the cities are walled, and very great: and moreover we saw the children of Anak there. The Amalekites dwell in the land of the south: and the Hittites and the Jebusites, and the Amorites, dwell in the mountains: and the Canaanites dwell by the sea, and by the coast of Jordan.
And Caleb stilled the people before Moses and said, Let us go up at once and possess it; for we are well able to overcome it. But the men, which went up with him, said, We are not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we. And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying,
The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people, that we saw in it, are men of a great stature. And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Word used for giants was Nephilim, which was also applied in Genesis 6:4, which tells us that giants survived the Flood.
It seems that after that there was the second irruption of these "Fallen Angels". But this time they were fewer in number and restricted to a particular area (Canaan).
They were also known as the "Nation of Canaan". Because of their destruction the swords of Israel rose.
Also, we can find that Moab was also known as the land of giants; giants lived there, and Ammonites called them Zamzummims.
Deuteronomy (2:20-21)
That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims; A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead.
sooda
Veteran Member
These ancient myths are all tangled up with religion. I wonder if back in the day this was a form of entertainment.. like movies and TV today.
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
What i struggle with is chicken vs. egg. Which came first: the myth or the religion?
sooda
Veteran Member
I don't think you can ever separate the two...
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
A friendly note. Pictures of giants on the internet tend to be photoshop hoaxes. If you can't find a reliable source for the image, and non-scholarly websites are not reliable sources, then one should not base any serious arguments in them. In this video starting a little after the 2:00 mark this and some other images are dealt with:Excerpt:
In King James Bible is the first place where we can find mention of Giants:
Genesis 6:1
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years.
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.
We already discovered that race of Giants was mentioned in the Bible – Nephilim (Genesis 6:4, Numbers 13:32, Deuteronomy 1:28), Refaim (Joshua 12:4) and Anak (Joshua 14:15).
Most of the biblical records concerning giants speak of the times before the Flood, the great catastrophe. The stories from Mesopotamia and the Book of Enoch tells us that the flood was the result of the war in "heaven" caused by mixing of Watchers with women from the earth.
Besides Nephelims they were called – "the Fallen Ones" or fallen Watchers in the Book of Enoch, these giants were also known under the name of Anakim or Anak. They probably had a father called Arba, who was the original builder of Hebron (Genesis 35:27). Here we have a subtle link with architecture and structure.
In Deuteronomy (2:10-11), it was written:
The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.
Word that was used for a giant was Raphah, which literary translated would be "Giant". So, there existed many more giants which lived after the Flood in different areas, not only in the land of Canaanites.
In the Bible, there is also stated that after the Flood, the children of Israel were sent as spies in the land of Canaan so that they could prepare for the invasion. These scouts discovered giant living there which they reported to Moses.
Numbers (13:28-33)
Nevertheless the people are strong that dwell in the land and the cities are walled, and very great: and moreover we saw the children of Anak there. The Amalekites dwell in the land of the south: and the Hittites and the Jebusites, and the Amorites, dwell in the mountains: and the Canaanites dwell by the sea, and by the coast of Jordan.
And Caleb stilled the people before Moses and said, Let us go up at once and possess it; for we are well able to overcome it. But the men, which went up with him, said, We are not able to go up against the people; for they are stronger than we. And they brought up an evil report of the land which they had searched unto the children of Israel, saying,
The land, through which we have gone to search it, is a land that eateth up the inhabitants thereof; and all the people, that we saw in it, are men of a great stature. And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Word used for giants was Nephilim, which was also applied in Genesis 6:4, which tells us that giants survived the Flood.
It seems that after that there was the second irruption of these "Fallen Angels". But this time they were fewer in number and restricted to a particular area (Canaan).
They were also known as the "Nation of Canaan". Because of their destruction the swords of Israel rose.
Also, we can find that Moab was also known as the land of giants; giants lived there, and Ammonites called them Zamzummims.
Deuteronomy (2:20-21)
That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims; A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead.
sooda
Veteran Member
LOLOL I know. I just think this Anunnaki stuff is great fun. My son played the Anunnaki messiah in a movie that was never released.... so I learned a lot about Sitchens and all that some 20 years ago.
EMRE
New Member
My idea is like this: There were Anunnakis coming to earth and doing some searches...The chief of the group was Enki and He was the master of scientists of Anunnaki at the same time..His mother was from Sirius, Orion..He did some scientific work like genetic engineering. He created homosapiens by combining dna of homoerectus and anunnaki..There had been many tries of course to get the best kind: homosapiens....these were all written by Sitchins and I know it...But sitchins didn't tell everything..there are some holes..what happened after the nuclear war which occured in 2024 bc..? The man named abraham came out and made some deal with yahweh and then anunnakis disappeared and yahweh became the only power on earth...where did annunnakis go? did they fight with yahweh? is yahweh one of the member of anunnakis in fact? or is yahweh another alien like greys or reptilians? did yahweh win over Enki and lock the anunnakis in another dimension? maybe demons are these anunnakis and they try to warn people about yahweh in their dreams or meditations, vs??
Thanks everyone tryting to answer my questions...
wish you the best for you...
Thanks everyone tryting to answer my questions...
wish you the best for you...
sooda
Veteran Member
You have a new screenplay, Jon?
Liu
Well-Known Member
Thanks for that text @sooda! Interesting read.
But why would "an" mean "shining"? I know it's the Sumerian word for "sky" but I never heard it had to do with "shining".
Sure, its cuneiform character is a star symbol, but anything besides that?
And why would "e-din" be "heavenly garden" or "abode of rightful ones"? "e" simply means "house". By Sumerian grammar, "din" would then be the adjective. I don't find its translation in dictionaries, though.
Makes me doubt the reliability of the remainder, even though a lot of what is written there seems accurate.
But why would "an" mean "shining"? I know it's the Sumerian word for "sky" but I never heard it had to do with "shining".
Sure, its cuneiform character is a star symbol, but anything besides that?
And why would "e-din" be "heavenly garden" or "abode of rightful ones"? "e" simply means "house". By Sumerian grammar, "din" would then be the adjective. I don't find its translation in dictionaries, though.
Makes me doubt the reliability of the remainder, even though a lot of what is written there seems accurate.
sooda
Veteran Member
Sometimes my spelling stinks.
The Akkadian Empire (/əˈkeɪdiən/) was the first ancient empire of Mesopotamia, centered in the city of Akkad /ˈækæd/ and its surrounding region, which the Bible also called Akkad. The empire united Akkadian and Sumerian speakers under one rule. The Akkadian Empire exercised influence across Mesopotamia, the Levant, and Anatolia, sending military expeditions as far south as Dilmun and Magan (modern Bahrain and Oman) in the Arabian Peninsula.
During the 3rd millennium BC, there developed a very intimate cultural symbiosis between the Sumerians and the Akkadians, which included widespread bilingualism. Akkadian, an East Semitic language, gradually replaced Sumerian as a spoken language somewhere between the 3rd and the 2nd millennia BC (the exact dating being a matter of debate).
Akkadian Empire - Wikipedia
Liu
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The Akkadian Empire might be the first one, but there were Sumerian city states before that.
Your quote even says "Akkadian, an East Semitic language, gradually replaced Sumerian as a spoken language somewhere between the 3rd and the 2nd millennia BC".
Sumerian is first attested over 5000 years ago, Akkadian "only" ~4600 years ago.
Your quote even says "Akkadian, an East Semitic language, gradually replaced Sumerian as a spoken language somewhere between the 3rd and the 2nd millennia BC".
Sumerian is first attested over 5000 years ago, Akkadian "only" ~4600 years ago.
sooda
Veteran Member
Vedic civilization may be even older.
Well, when I was young there was a man named Wilfred Thesiger who spent decades with the Marsh Arabs of Southern Iraq.. Sometimes he would take a break and come to Arabia to lecture. I remember him telling us that the Marsh Arabs had migrated from coastal Arabia 6,000 years earlier.
HISTORY OF MESOPOTAMIA - History and Timelines
www.historyworld.net/wrldhis/PlainTextHistories.asp?historyid=aa53
HISTORY OF MESOPOTAMIA. Between the rivers: 4500-3100 BC.
From about 4500 BC there are settlements on the edges of the marshes where the Tigris and the Euphrates reach the Persian Gulf.
Mesopotamia, the region between these two rivers, will be the area of one of the world's first two civilizations, the other being Egypt.
During the periods of Halaf (5500-4500 BC), Ubaid (5300-3750 BC) and Protoliterate (3750-2900 BC) we see incredible changes take Mesopotamia by storm. We see an
increase in pottery design and decoration, the smelting of copper and other metals which replace stone tools and weapons, we see towns increase in size by the thousands, enhanced irrigation systems put in place, temples grow larger and higher, and fertility become a focal point of the peoples. During these times nearly 70% of all children under age five died, and with deaths increasing from people in battles a sense of the progression of life was focused upon.
To the peoples of these periods, they also saw fertility as the earth giving back, and pantheons of gods and goddesses began to develop so that by 3000 BC there were over four thousand deities worshiped in the region as mankind worshiped and adored the creation instead of the true Creator.
Abraham: From Ur to Haran