any Kashmir Shaivites here?

[Aupmanyav]

There is a beautiful poem written by the first Sankaracharya and posted here by NobodyYouKnow recently. Search for that.

"Shivoham, Shivoham" (I am Shiva, I am Shiva)

Perhaps I can give you a link. Here is it: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3646387-post18.html

 

[NobodyYouKnow]

I think it was me who created this universe, with me I mean ME, I am me, you and everybody else, so yes I say I am Shiva, the one

thanks for the answers btw

I alternate between loving Shiva and being Shiva. It's complicated. lol

with me I mean ME, I am me...

I am not ME though. I am Shiva.

No problems...happy to help out.

Om Namah Shivaya

 

[Aupmanyav]

Meera, Giridhar ke rang rachi' (Meera, she took Giridhar's color).

 

[DanielR]

I alternate between loving Shiva and being Shiva. It's complicated. lol



I am not ME though. I am Shiva.

No problems...happy to help out.

Om Namah Shivaya

I think I know what you mean thanks for clarifying though!

Thanks all, where would I be without this forum, thanks people

 

[DanielR]

Could someone help me understand this graphic I found on Kashmir Shaivism

I don't really understand the first 'Parmshiva', what are these infinite circles mean?? I would really appreciate it if somebody could help. I think I do understand the other tattvas but the first principle Parmshiva I don't understand in this graphic.

why are there infinite circles??

Thanks

 

[Aupmanyav]

Let me make a guess. You know one Shiva Tattva. But Shiv Tattva is not bounded. There are infinite centers, about the magnitude and magnificence of which we cannot visualize.

 

[DanielR]

Can I say that Parmshiva corresponds to Nirguna Brahman, while ShivaTattva corresponds to Saguna Brahman??

 

[NobodyYouKnow]

Can I say that Parmshiva corresponds to Nirguna Brahman, while ShivaTattva corresponds to Saguna Brahman??

Yes.

Om Namah Shivaya

 

[NobodyYouKnow]

Could someone help me understand this graphic I found on Kashmir Shaivism

I don't really understand the first 'Parmshiva', what are these infinite circles mean?? I would really appreciate it if somebody could help. I think I do understand the other tattvas but the first principle Parmshiva I don't understand in this graphic.

why are there infinite circles??

Thanks

I don't understand that graphic either.

Before this current avatar, I had Sri Yantra as my avatar (until Yadon used Muladhara Chakra as his, then I changed it). lol

I did the same thing with triangles, as opposed to circles - it was much easier to understand this using triangles...

Many people live in the domain of the pelvis: deglutition and defecation, excretion and procreation; in this there is no difference between animal and man; thus, he is called Animal-man. This is the Tamasic man living in the dark recess of the pelvis (Muladhara and Svadhisthana planes). He undergoes transformation into a Rajasic man with motion and passion, still retaining his Tamas (darkness, sloth and sluggishness). The Rajasic man lives in the abdomen around the navel (Manipura Chakra). His attitude and mental makeup are essentially his borborygmi, belching, flatulence, aches and pains: abundance of motion and passion, antisocial behavior. At the level of the heart (Anahata), he experiences a rise in Sattvic qualities with proportional fall in Tamas and Rajas. The man's cognitive center in the pelvis and abdomen rises to the heart level, when he looks around, wants to live in peace with others and develops love for self and others. His Sattva Guna rises with proportional fall in Tamas and Rajas and shows signs of Sattvic man; his cognitive apparatus is at the level of the throat, which helps him to communicate with others in speech and deed in a civilized manner. This is where most of the civilized world stops. Beyond and above this threshold are Ajna and Sahasrara Chakras, which are reachable only by yogis. As man ascends from Muladhara to Sahasrara Chakras, there is a progressive fall in the levels of Tamas and Rajas and rise in Sattva and in Sahasrara Chakra, he is pure Sattva (with infinitesimal Rajas and Tamas), which is a divine state. To be active and live in this phenomenal world man needs a tad of Rajas.

Vivekanada says: the Yogis claim that in an ordinary man the Sushumna is closed; its action is not evident while that of the other two is carrying power to different parts of the body.

Verse 11. The four Srī-Kantas and five Siva-Yuvatis distinct from (the central) Sambhu (Bindu), are the nine Mulaprakrtis; thus, this is your abode with forty-four angles, two lotuses, one with eight petals and the second with sixteen petals, three circles and three lines.

Srī-Kantas = refers to the husband, Siva. Siva-Yuvatis: Yuvati = young woman. Sambhu = Siva. See the diagram below for details. There are two cults: Samaya for Siva and the Kaulas for Sakti.



Sri Sri YantramThe Symbolism of the Yantra



Sri Yantra: credit: exoticindia.com



The central Bindu, the union of Siva and Sakti is Sādākhya Kalā from which emerge all the manifestations represented by the triangles which overlap to create forty-three angles at their periphery and the forty-fourth Kona is the central Bindu. The nine triangles are called Mulaprakrti, which according to Sankhya has 25 Tattvas, the centrifugal evolutional manifestations of Siva and Sakti. BG02.

Sri Chakra is the transcendent, immanent and phenomenal existence of TPS in all lives and matter. What is here is out there: it means that microcosm is a representation of the macrocosm. The Yantra represents both macro- and microcosms.

Below is the Saiva view as a basis for TPS taking the role of the Mother of the Universe, transcending Siva, Brahma and Vishnu. TPS takes on the role of Para- and Sagunabrahman.

Man is a microcosm of the macrocosm. Tattvas-36 chart shows the evolution of Pure Consciousness from Atattva to the last element Earth. Siva is Pure Consciousness; in the evolutionary model, there is a chasm between Siva and Sakti; Siva cannot be contaminated with matter so much so that Siva-Niskala-Niskriya-Amanaska has to act through Sakti for the creation of gods, man, beings, and matter. This chasm can be traversed back and forth only by the privileged Sakti. Siva-Niskala-Niskriya-Amanaska is a transcendental entity while Paramesvara or Paramesvari (TPS) is endowed with Maya, the origin of gods, man, beings, and matter. Saktas are of the opinion that TPS is the Mother Goddess of the universe. TPS = Tri-Pura-Sundari = three-City-Beauty.

Hymns of Sankara

 

[Aupmanyav]

Hymns of Sankara

A tough page, indeed.

 

[NobodyYouKnow]

A tough page, indeed.

It is a tough page, but if one can read/fully understand it - it took me a few weeks studying it until I could - it explains just about any/every concept in Hinduism that there is.

That one page encapsulates many, many books on the issue and has been summarised beautifully within.

Just about everything that can ever be known is described and explained on that one page...

I managed to understand it all though, and I figured that if I can understand anything, anybody can, being that I am not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed...

Om Namah Shivaya

 

[Philomath]

That image befuddles me as well as the Tattvas I cannot seem to grasp them no matter how hard I try.

 

[DanielR]

Thanks all Aup, Nobodyyouknow and philomath!

So it is Nirguna Brahman = Parashiva/Parmshiva, why make it so complicated then lol, those circles (centers) were confusting me!

gonna spread some frubals

 

[NobodyYouKnow]

That image befuddles me as well as the Tattvas I cannot seem to grasp them no matter how hard I try.

With the Tattvas, Tanmatras etc, I could only grasp them once I stopped concentrating too hard in trying to understand them. When I relaxed my thinking mind a bit, I could see the whole picture and incorporate The 'Siva triangles' and 'Shakti triangles' into the Yantra, arriving at the Tattvas through corresponding points and angles, where they merged and joined. For me, I couldn't see the forest for the trees, but as soon as I identified one tree, I saw them all as being both individual trees and a forest simultaneously. This is basically what it's all about.

Om Namah Shivaya

 

[NobodyYouKnow]

Thanks all Aup, Nobodyyouknow and philomath!

So it is Nirguna Brahman = Parashiva/Parmshiva, why make it so complicated then lol, those circles (centers) were confusting me!

gonna spread some frubals

I have quite a few names for Nirguna Brahman - ParamShiva, SadaShiva, Rudra, Bhairava, Nataraja, Mahadeva....

While Saguna Brahman becomes Siva with attribute or function - Nilakantha, Gangadhara, Yogeshwara, Chandrashekhara, Asutosha, Bholenath etc

This is how I 'divide it' anyway - and if a division can be made (before others assure me that it cannot).

Om Namah Shivaya

 

[Sb1995]

where is Vinayaka? I haven't seen him post here in a while.

 

[NobodyYouKnow]

where is Vinayaka? I haven't seen him post here in a while.

Neither have I and I sent him a PM yesterday, wishing him the best and hoping that he is okay. I miss him too and have really nice thoughts about him attaining samadhi and being 'too blissed out' to post on here...

I noticed that he disappeared around the same time as the 'I love Vinayaka' (refering to Lord Ganesha) thread appeared...and then was deleted, so it may have something to do with that.

I don't miss much.

Om Namah Shivaya

 

[Sb1995]

Strange, very strange indeed. I hope everything is ok. I love reading his posts and I hope he returns soon. I was planning on pming him as well but I decided to post here and see if anyone's heard.

 

[satyaroop]

I noticed that he disappeared around the same time as the 'I love Vinayaka' (refering to Lord Ganesha) thread appeared...and then was deleted, so it may have something to do with that.

what? no, I created that silly thread in a moment of boredom, just to have some fun; I asked the mods later on to delete that thread because I felt later on that it was a little too silly/foolish
the guy (vinayaka) has a sense of humour, so I don't think he disappeared because of that thread

 

[NobodyYouKnow]

what? no, I created that silly thread in a moment of boredom, just to have some fun; I asked the mods later on to delete that thread because I felt later on that it was a little too silly/foolish
the guy (vinayaka) has a sense of humour, so I don't think he disappeared because of that thread

He didn't disappear because of that. That was just a coincidence (every time a coincidence happens from now on, I am going to point it out and bold the word).

He is taking an intensive sadhana sabbatical for a while, that is all.

Om Namah Shivaya