Anybody want to deny the Democrat party isn't socialist now?

[Daemon Sophic]

Democratic Socialism is way different than, say, Venezuela.

Yep. See post #44 of this thread (Pg.3). Many of the Democratic and Socialistic aspects of these mixed countries have helped their respective Capitalism bloom and expand for their people much more than the likes of the US, where, more and more, we are a nation of haves & have nots: aristocracy vs peasants.
We undeniably need more socialism in our nation’s Capitalistic Democracy. The time for debate on that has long since passed.

 

[Revoltingest]

If this is true, then why do wealthy capitalists support and donate to these politicians' campaigns?

Many possible reasons.
You'd have to ask them.

All these conservatives who have crowed about deregulation, free market, capitalism, and yet, you're saying they've put more restraints and regulations on business?

Some love business regulation, eg, Desantis
But their real over-regulation focus is in the social arena.

 

[Sand Dancer]

That illustrates a fundamental problem with socialism,
ie, that it's a system defined in terms of the dream it
fulfills, but the system structure has the emergent
property of authoritarianism, both social & economic.
This results from the inherent level of control required,
which tempts leaders...entices them to micro-manage
all that they see.

I think you're explaining it from a US attitude. Sadly, that would happen here. Europeans have a more community-based view and want everyone to benefit from the added taxes. I don't think they really micro-manage, as they care about their society and want to maximize happiness.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Yep. See post #44 of this thread (Pg.3). Many of the Democratic and Socialistic aspects of these mixed countries have helped their respective Capitalism bloom and expand for their people much more than the likes of the US, where, more and more, we are a nation of haves & have nots: aristocracy vs peasants.
We undeniably need more socialism in our nation’s Capitalistic Democracy. The time for debate on that has long since passed.

Yeah, funny they don't mention how horrible western Europe is. They tend to only mention the authoritarian countries.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think you're explaining it from a US attitude. Sadly, that would happen here. Europeans have a more community-based view and want everyone to benefit from the added taxes. I don't think they really micro-manage, as they care about their society and want things to run smoothly.

But notice that they use capitalism to benefit their
community. Some tried socialism once...it was a
hot mess. (I regularly run into older folk who lived
there under socialism. They much prefer being here.)

My view of socialism is much different from the USA's
right & left. I use a dictionary, & I apply it appropriately.

 

[Sand Dancer]

But notice that they use capitalism to benefit their
community. Some tried socialism once...it was a
hot mess. (I regularly run into older folk who lived
there under socialism. They much prefer being here.)

My view of socialism is much different from the USA's
right & left. I use a dictionary, & I apply it appropriately.

Right, but now they have nicely blended the two. So do we, but just not as much.

 

[Twilight Hue]

It's really sad and scary the amount of blatant ignorance and stupidity being displayed in some of these posts. Few Americans have any idea what socialism or capitalism is. So are just parroting whatever the lying talking heads they listen to in the media say. And they believe it like blind lemmings. No doubts, no question, no nothing.

What talking heads?

When you have potential candidates openly threatening political socialism that's its not going to go away anytime soon, and such blah blah.....

There's a difference between social programs and political socialism.
.
I doubt she's referring to the former.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Democratic Socialism is way different than, say, Venezuela.

I doubt it.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Uh Oh! We had better warn the free people of are Norway, Bolivia, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Great Britain, Canada, the Netherlands, Spain, Ireland, Belgium, Switzerland, Australia, Japan, and New Zealand, that their nations are all headed directly to “utter ruin”!


Actually. Uh, can we get some of that “utter ruin” too.

Yea. Greece and Venezuela was quite happy too for awhile.

Paying the piper will come eventually.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I don’t know about that.
Plenty of socialists disagree with Stalinism.

Until Stalin shows up.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Was someone still in doubt?

If they were, not anymore.

 

[Twilight Hue]

What do you understand that to mean, such that you want to mention it here?

No, I wasn't lying ─ either about your post or about Trump. You're the one who's gone from one statement by one Democrat to a universal branding of Democrats by a word you nonetheless apparently don't understand.

Well I don't see any democrat backlash over her statement.

Sounds like quiet agreement as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Sand Dancer]

I doubt it.

Seriously? The happiest, healthiest and safest countries are in western Europe. They are certainly not like Venezuela.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Seriously? The happiest, healthiest and safest countries are in western Europe. They are certainly not like Venezuela.

Every socialist country has their honeymoon phase.

Then the other people's money starts to run out.

Also oppressive laws and regulations are not regarded as safe.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Both parties have centrist and far contingents. Should we say that Republican are fascist? Don't generalize. But to be honest, we have been lagging behind the other developed nations for a long time and we need to catch up.

I haven't heard of a single Republican openly supporting facisism. I seen plenty of democrats openly supporting socialism.

 

[SomeRandom]

Until Stalin shows up.

Yes his cult of personality is….troubling to say the least lol
Did you know that Lenin himself (apparently) warned the party to beware of Stalin’s ambition? Just before his death.
Stalinism’s key features I don’t think are embraced by all commies.
Indeed he’s often accused of perverting Marxism for his own political power.

I will freely admit to my ignorance of political theory.
But I’m curious as to your understanding of socialism, Marxism, Stalinism and Leninism?
Like the actual theories themselves?

 

[blü 2]

Well I don't see any democrat backlash over her statement.

Sounds like quiet agreement as far as I'm concerned.

So by the same measure all Republicans are infantile lying narcissists, you say?

Interesting view.

 

[Revoltingest]

Right, but now they have nicely blended the two. So do we, but just not as much.

If government (ie, "the people" doesn't own the
means of production, then it's not socialism.

 

[Sand Dancer]

I haven't heard of a single Republican openly supporting facisism. I seen plenty of democrats openly supporting socialism.

Fascism isn't seen as a positive, so who would admit to it?

 

[Sand Dancer]

If government (ie, "the people" doesn't own the
means of production, then it's not socialism.

Very true, which means there are few socialist countries. Democratic Socialism is not pure Socialism. It's just easier to say Socialism.