Anyone support Trump's actions over the past several days?

[leibowde84]

Is there anyone who actually feels like Trump is handling this scandal well? I've heard so much critique, and absolutely no support even from the Republicans and his die hard fans. Sure, I've heard the tired excuses that, in this context, make absolutely no sense (namely, Liberals don't like Trump because he doesn't think like a Liberal nonsense).

I'd like to hear from anyone who understands where Trump is coming from.

 

[Kemosloby]

Trumps subtle honesty is refreshing. But in the end I know he will sell out to Climate Change.

 

[columbus]

Trumps subtle honesty is refreshing. But in the end I know he will sell out to Climate Change.

What do you mean by "subtle honesty "? I am not seeing subtlety or honesty.
Tom

PS ~I realize that you deleted the climate change part. But I am curious why you posted it in the first place.~

 

[Revoltingest]

It could've been handled better.
(Understatement, eh?)

 

[Wirey]

The only fact of which I'm actually aware is that Comey has been fired. Absolutely everything else is rumour, or conjecture, or 'unnamed sources' in the press. I genuinely believe Trump to be incompetent, but shouldn't we have a handful of facts to go on first?

In answer to the OP, I support firing Comey after his pointless interference in the federal election. Are there any other facts to consider yet?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Firing Comey I support, as from my understanding of Federal law it is illegal to tamper with an election in such a way. Though we may unfortunately never know his true purpose, reasons, and intentions behind doing so (Comey, that is).
But, also I should state I can't say 100% that I support Comey being fired, as I don't know the exact reason he was fired.

 

[sun rise]

The only fact of which I'm actually aware is that Comey has been fired. Absolutely everything else is rumour, or conjecture, or 'unnamed sources' in the press. I genuinely believe Trump to be incompetent, but shouldn't we have a handful of facts to go on first?

In answer to the OP, I support firing Comey after his pointless interference in the federal election. Are there any other facts to consider yet?

• How it was done - Comey finding out in the media.
• The timing relating to the investigation now under way.
• The unhinged behavior exhibited as part of an ongoing pattern.

 

[columbus]

The only fact of which I'm actually aware is that Comey has been fired.

@sunrise123 left out an important fact.
Trump publicly praised Comey for how he handled the investigation he now claims is the reason for firing him.
Tom

 

[LuisDantas]

There are a lot of interesting facts related to the firing.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...-firing-of-comey-is-a-historic-****-show.html

I find it even more interesting that the handling of the fallout shows every single indication of both chronical dishonesty and utter incompetence.

But hey, it is not like that is any surprise.

 

[Nous]

In answer to the OP, I support firing Comey after his pointless interference in the federal election. Are there any other facts to consider yet?

There's the fact that firing Comey had nothing to do with Comey's letter to Congress about the emails on that laptop. There's the fact that according to Trump, when he was deliberating firing Comey, the "made up" "Russia thing" was an essential aspect of his reasoning process.

 

[Wirey]

Let's clarify:

If you say Trump lies, you can't point to what he says as 'fact'.

 

[sun rise]

Let's clarify:

If you say Trump lies, you can't point to what he says as 'fact'.

I assume everything he or his sycophants say is a lie until such time as it's proven to be correct beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[Wirey]

I assume everything he or his sycophants say is a lie until such time as it's proven to be correct beyond a reasonable doubt.

Me, too. My point was that right now, Comey's firing is the only concrete fact.

 

[LuisDantas]

Me, too. My point was that right now, Comey's firing is the only concrete fact.

The presence of direct contradictions on the claims made by Trump himself (even without involving his staff) surrounding that firing are also concrete facts.

 

[Wirey]

The presence of direct contradictions on the claims made by Trump himself (even without involving his staff) surrounding that firing are also concrete facts.

Yes, but only factual evidence of his apparent lunacy. The OP asked what I thought about the firing and referenced facts. Right now, with the only evidence to contradict him being his own mouth, Trump says he was fired for the election thing.

 

[columbus]

Let's clarify:

If you say Trump lies, you can't point to what he says as 'fact'.

No.
Whether he was lying or not, that he publicly made the statement is a fact.
Fact 1: Trump praised Comey over the Clinton investigation.
Fact 2: Trump claims to have fired Comey over the Clinton investigation.

Those remain facts regardless of Trump's honesty or motivation.
Tom

 

[Wirey]

No.
Whether he was lying or not, that he publicly made the statement is a fact.
Fact 1: Trump praised Comey over the Clinton investigation.
Fact 2: Trump claims to have fired Comey over the Clinton investigation.

Those remain facts regardless of Trump's honesty or motivation.
Tom

The only fact that can actually be gleaned from that is he changed his mind. Why is supposition.

 

[columbus]

Yes, but only factual evidence of his apparent lunacy. The OP asked what I thought about the firing and referenced facts. Right now, with the only evidence to contradict him being his own mouth, Trump says he was fired for the election thing.

This is nevertheless evidence of other things. Regardless of the truth, it's evidence that Trump is obstructing the investigation into his Russian connection and possible collusion with them.
Tom

 

[Nous]

Let's clarify:

If you say Trump lies, you can't point to what he says as 'fact'.

What does that clarify exactly?

It is a fact that Trump said this on Thursday(?): “I was gonna fire Comey, knowing there was no good time to do it. And, in fact, when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said, you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story, it's an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election . . . ”

These statements of his unequivocally indicate that his deliberation about firing Comey involved concerns about "the Russia thing" being "a made-up story". His firing of Comey had something to do with that current investigation, and Trump's actions of firing Comey obviously were not done with the purpose of providing support to that investigation. His purpose can only have been to impede or obstruct that investigation. That is a felony, an obstruction of justice, certainly one of the "high crimes" that is an impeachable offense.

 

[leibowde84]

The only fact of which I'm actually aware is that Comey has been fired. Absolutely everything else is rumour, or conjecture, or 'unnamed sources' in the press. I genuinely believe Trump to be incompetent, but shouldn't we have a handful of facts to go on first?

In answer to the OP, I support firing Comey after his pointless interference in the federal election. Are there any other facts to consider yet?

Trump claimed that he asked Comey whether he was personally under investigation. And, he admitted that the Russian investigation played a part in his decision to fire Comey.