Anyone want to do a private group debate? I'll set it up.

[dust1n]

Yo. I want to do one of these new private debate forms.

I need people.

I was thinking, a debate about whether a prior or a posteriori knowledge is more useful...

I guess I really encountered this problem in debates about prostitution.

In short.. I am against prostitution. And there I couple I disagree with because it comes down to a particular issue.

They argue that prostitution should be legal because people should have the freedom to do what they will because freedom is cause of the presupposition, I'm thinking.

I think that prostitution should be illegal because of the actual affects it has on society.

So there is a little divide here... the former being about what should be the case pre-what-ever-happens-in-the-world... and the latter being about what should be the case based on what ever happens in the world. Or at least, how I understand. And it causes a difference in opinion in light of the facts.


So I was wondering... is anyone game.. I'm thinking 4-8 people? You can post on here or PM me. I'm making the thread ultimately, so I reserve the right to accept ya (at least for the thread I'm making) or deny ya (at least for the thread I'm making) as I understand it.

Let's go!

 

[dust1n]

Btw, posting on here is no guarantee that you'll get in the thread..., but please post regardless. I've invited a number of people so far, and I'm looking for a strong list of debaters that fall on both sides of the camp.


I'm also open to new ideas for debate topics, especially from those I invited.

 

[Titanic]

i will debate if you need a few extra people, but if you do not choose me it's okay, I am new here[but me and sunstone had a classic debate].

 

[InformedIgnorance]

Sure I do not mind the idea - though I am in favor lol

 

[dust1n]

Well, I guess should ask... just so I can get like.. a nice sample of different sides, your general view on the subject... a couple or paragraphs... you know, where you are coming from, what side you are leaning towards, what you are hoping to learn.

I'm hoping to have a super nice... well stated and cohesive discussion on the matter.

 

[Titanic]

I think prostitution should be legal based on involuntary celibacy, those unfortunate soul's who are open for love and sex, relationship's the whole nine yard's but for some reason can not get it. So prostitution is in a way a escape route for them a way to feel normal, a way for them to feel like regular human being's.

 

[InformedIgnorance]

I would initially look to advance two arguments
-That the only legitimate sources of objection are those that may be directly effected by objectively negative outcomes directly resultant from prostitution.
-That legalized prostitution provides the capacity to implement enhanced control mechanisms as compared to illegal prostitution.

It is my belief that these two arguments are well founded (though the first admittedly more difficult to prove) and that between the two, not only does it deal with the world as it is in terms of minimizing negative outcomes but also deals with the world as it should be, in that criminalizing prostitution where all parties directly involved give their informed consent, is punishing a victim-less crime and is therefore an approach to social engineering whereby behaviors people dislike are banned simply because they dislike them rather than because they actually are detrimental, that it contributes to the erosion of liberties based on cultural suppression by the majority (or those with the majority of influence at least)

 

[Revoltingest]

Thanx for the invite...I'm up for it. Do we start here? If so, I'm in the pro-prostitution camp.
A priori knowledge is useful (eg, math, logic), but I don't see it as a starting point in analyzing morality & ethics.
I favor a posteriori knowledge in matters of the material world, eg, prostitution, science, culinary delights.
Such knowledge is accessible only by observing what happens, & by experiencing our reactions to it.
The premises I have are personal preferences for liberty, independence, survival & minimizing woe.

I agree with.....

I think prostitution should be legal based on involuntary celibacy, those unfortunate soul's who are open for love and sex, relationship's the whole nine yard's but for some reason can not get it. So prostitution is in a way a escape route for them a way to feel normal, a way for them to feel like regular human being's.

I would initially look to advance two arguments
-That the only legitimate sources of objection are those that may be directly effected by objectively negative outcomes directly resultant from prostitution.
-That legalized prostitution provides the capacity to implement enhanced control mechanisms as compared to illegal prostitution.

It is my belief that these two arguments are well founded (though the first admittedly more difficult to prove) and that between the two, not only does it deal with the world as it is in terms of minimizing negative outcomes but also deals with the world as it should be, in that criminalizing prostitution where all parties directly involved give their informed consent, is punishing a victim-less crime and is therefore an approach to social engineering whereby behaviors people dislike are banned simply because they dislike them rather than because they actually are detrimental, that it contributes to the erosion of liberties based on cultural suppression by the majority (or those with the majority of influence at least)

 

[MysticSang'ha]

We've got some family things to take care of on our end at the moment. But depending on timing of the thread, I submit my participation to the debate if you still wish. What may give hesitation is that I'm not quite sure how much I can participate given how much attention I need to give to real life.

I assume you knew my position, d...but in case you don't, I'm in favor of legalizing prostitution.

 

[Revoltingest]

We've got some family things to take care of on our end at the moment. But depending on timing of the thread, I submit my participation to the debate if you still wish. What may give hesitation is that I'm not quite sure how much I can participate given how much attention I need to give to real life.

Pbbbbt! "Real life"....it'll never last!
Don't let it interfere with what matters, ie, a bunch'o bickering Turing tests in Internetistan.

 

[Reverend Rick]

I did not get invited.

I can debate either side of the issue but would prefer to debate for the pro prostitution side if you need or want me.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I did not get invited.

I can debate either side of the issue but would prefer to debate for the pro prostitution side if you need or want me.

Seems like pro-legalization is winning already. There's strength in numbers.

Just kidding, dust1n.

 

[InformedIgnorance]

So many pros (no pun intended) if more cons are needed I could muster a decent argument for that too lol

 

[Reverend Rick]

It is my hope that this group debate will have a similar amount of people debating both sides.

 

[dust1n]

Hey Kiddies! I didn't expect so much.

I just wanted to clear something up real fast: My proposed topic won't focus on prostitution (though prostitution will mostly likely be brought up at some point in time). The topic is more about what is more useful, a priori knowledge of a posterior knowledge, depending on the applications and such. I just wanted to use prostitution as an illustration of the idea because I have actually encountered the issue during prostitution debates. I didn't want to limit the conversation to just prostitution... mainly because I think I might be one of the few people here who agrees with illegalizing prostitution. I wouldn't even know who to put on my side. Hehe.

But I wanted to use that example to illustrate the main problem I'm having: determining if prostitution should be legal because people should have the freedom to do stuff or determining if it should be illegal because of the effects of society.

 

[dust1n]

I think prostitution should be legal based on involuntary celibacy, those unfortunate soul's who are open for love and sex, relationship's the whole nine yard's but for some reason can not get it. So prostitution is in a way a escape route for them a way to feel normal, a way for them to feel like regular human being's.

Another one for legal prostitution?!

The topic is much wider than that, but what has interested me is your use of observation to determine a feeling about prostitution (I'm guessing). The thread I'm wanting to make will be kinda loosely around "what's more useful in this instance, a prior or a posterior approach."

So I wanted to make sure you were more interested in debating around that than necessarily about whether prostitution should be illegal or not.

I would initially look to advance two arguments
-That the only legitimate sources of objection are those that may be directly effected by objectively negative outcomes directly resultant from prostitution.
-That legalized prostitution provides the capacity to implement enhanced control mechanisms as compared to illegal prostitution.

It is my belief that these two arguments are well founded (though the first admittedly more difficult to prove) and that between the two, not only does it deal with the world as it is in terms of minimizing negative outcomes but also deals with the world as it should be, in that criminalizing prostitution where all parties directly involved give their informed consent, is punishing a victim-less crime and is therefore an approach to social engineering whereby behaviors people dislike are banned simply because they dislike them rather than because they actually are detrimental, that it contributes to the erosion of liberties based on cultural suppression by the majority (or those with the majority of influence at least)

Yes, that's pretty much the most excellent understanding of the situation.

Were as I'm end trying to do the first point in the argument, and whoever I am arguing with will take the the second point and the paragraph.

I have some pretty compelling evidence that legalizing prostitution in a country does not necessarily make the process any safer, nor does it make the practice fundamentally different than what it was beforehand.

So what I encounter is where I have to deal with the world as it should be. People should be able allowed to prostitute themselves or purchase prostitutes base solely on "all parties directly involved give their informed consent, is punishing a victim-less crime and is therefore an approach to social engineering whereby behaviors people dislike are banned simply because they dislike them rather than because they actually are detrimental, that it contributes to the erosion of liberties based on cultural suppression by the majority (or those with the majority of influence at least)."



As so, the topic is of immense curiosity to me.. because it pretty much has been the ended to my prostitution argument.

So I need to better understand which approach is more... correct.

 

[dust1n]

Thanx for the invite...I'm up for it. Do we start here? If so, I'm in the pro-prostitution camp.
A priori knowledge is useful (eg, math, logic), but I don't see it as a starting point in analyzing morality & ethics.
I favor a posteriori knowledge in matters of the material world, eg, prostitution, science, culinary delights.
Such knowledge is accessible only by observing what happens, & by experiencing our reactions to it.
The premises I have are personal preferences for liberty, independence, survival & minimizing woe.

Oh yea, you're in.

We've got some family things to take care of on our end at the moment. But depending on timing of the thread, I submit my participation to the debate if you still wish. What may give hesitation is that I'm not quite sure how much I can participate given how much attention I need to give to real life.

I assume you knew my position, d...but in case you don't, I'm in favor of legalizing prostitution.

Of course! I'll make sure you are invited and then contribute as you can, ya know. That's one of the reasons I wanted to use this new thread, (in that also being the first to make one) so that all us busy people can address the issues at a kind of slow rate that won't be bogged down to bad by the next time we happen to look at the thread.

I wanted to kinda... slow ride it... take it easy...

 

[dust1n]

I did not get invited.

I can debate either side of the issue but would prefer to debate for the pro prostitution side if you need or want me.

Oh you are invited silly! But it ain't gonna be directly about prostitution!

Seems like pro-legalization is winning already. There's strength in numbers.

Just kidding, dust1n.

Maybe we can just do a private poll.

So many pros (no pun intended) if more cons are needed I could muster a decent argument for that too lol

The first post I'll do will be a huge qualifier to kinda kick things off. And that should give it a good direction.

It is my hope that this group debate will have a similar amount of people debating both sides.

Well, in that prostitution, I can't see it happening. It will be me v you all near every time.

I thought about the team group debate... but I didn't want to pick a two-sided topic immediately and have groups, mainly cause I couldn't think of a good one. I don't want anyone have to be spoken for or anything. Being on a team would have to involve some serious coordination.

I thought since it's the first one and ever all, I'd host a free-for-all one and try to keep the topic not so clearly this camp or that camp. Though, I wouldn't mind trying one of those as well. :beach:

 

[dust1n]

I only got 6 so far, wanting to get a couple more...

 

[Sha'irullah]

I myself am all game for this idea. The intellectual gathering of 4-8 knowledgeable members is very smart but do keep in mind you must also cherry pick religious views to ensure a mixed diversity in intelligent expression. Creative thought must pervade the debate at hand so keep in mind the personal bias a person may have which may stem from religious obligations or personal standpoints.

As for prostitution, I am asexual but simultaneously anti-sexual to some extent and I do not believe that sex should be used other than for procreation. Prostitution is highly destructive as is frivolous sex. My views on this matter are quite strict and can be unbearable if I must say so myself.