Apparently some Democrats don't think black people can think for themselves

[Left Coast]

I'm associating hooliganism with hooligans.

Cool, so irrelevant to protests. Glad we clarified.

Not if you are a business owner trying to survive a pandemic and then have your business destroyed by rioters.

But that has not been the experience of most business owners.

But these are the images we walk away from...

Anecdotes do not good evidence make.

Please clarify...?

You made a comment about defunding the police. I was telling you that if you want to have a serious conversation about that, such as not using cops as social workers, I'm happy to have the conversation some day.

 

[Salty Booger]

Do you even follow the news or just Fox and OAN fake news networks

Pictures are worth a thousand words, Lyndon. Out of curiosity, how many black faces do you see in the below video.

 

[InChrist]

stop with the fake news

Ku Klux Klan newspaper declares support for Trump

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...aper-has-endorsed-donald-trump-for-president/

Trump has condemned racism and white supremacy repeatedly. Besides that, his life and business dealings even before becoming President demonstrate he is no racist.

 

[Salty Booger]

Trump has condemned racism and white supremacy repeatedly. Besides that, his life and business dealings even before becoming President demonstrate he is no racist.

It doesn't fit the narrative that they have been eating these past several years.

 

[InChrist]

Yeah and the really sad thing is a good proportion of the rioters were right wing extremist Trump supporters, not Antifa

That’s not true from my perspective and the news/ videos I’ve seen. It’s Antifa and BLM ( made up of many liberal whites) who burned building l, cars, smashed windows, etc.

 

[Lyndon]

That’s not true from my perspective and the news/ videos I’ve seen. It’s Antifa and BLM ( made up of many liberal whites) who burned building l, cars, smashed windows, etc.

,That's just not true, it was a combination of left and right wing extremist groups most of whom had nothing to do with the actual BLM people almost all of whom are completely peaceful, if you only watch far right fake news media, you may not be seeing it, though.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

YMMV with that concept.... So, just going on my life experience:

1) Black males aren't married to politics and their ideas are mostly in motion as a reflection of their life situation. They typically will vote for whomever is directly helping them. A huge amount of them are swinging Trump in the next election as they've benefited directly by his policies and to some extent it's all meat and potatoes with them.

2) Black females tend to vote on a more emotional basis and the politics aren't as important to them. If they don't like them they won't vote for them. They usually don't care as much about particular issues and in many cases vote with their family or friends rather than make so much of that decision themselves.

Personally, I hate thinking of people in terms of colors but it doesn't matter what I think about it if someone else heavily identifies with the concept themselves. To me, I think we're all spiritual beings and race is completely and utterly irrelevant. Under the meat suit, everyone is a perfect spiritual being not a color, not a victim, and not their identity... Which lasts only as long as the meat suit holds up...

That is extremely patronising.
There is no difference between the political intelligence of either black or white voters or for any other colour.

That is not to say people do not have individual levels of intelligence or of education.

Some people vote in a way that is self serving, others vote in a way that is best for their own community,, ideally people vote for what is best for every one.

People of various and different races are perfectly capable of supporting each other against a common problem or when one is being discriminated against.

Political parties tend to promote the lowest common denominator, not the highest.

 

[exchemist]

Anybody who relates skin color with intellectual prowess.

Well durrh, obviously. My question is who are the people that you think do this?

 

[Revoltingest]

Again, is racism still a problem?

Discussing it sure is.
To discuss black folk as we would any other group
is tricky. It's OK if they're seen as noble & capable,
or as victims....but to criticize them is frowned upon.
We can easily address perceived faults of whites,
Christians, Muslims, capitalists, socialists, men, etc.
Women & blacks are relatively off limits.
So you're a "racist".
Meh....join the club.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

Trump has condemned racism and white supremacy repeatedly. Besides that, his life and business dealings even before becoming President demonstrate he is no racist.

It doesn't fit the narrative that they have been eating these past several years.

Sorry kiddos, you were wrong then, and you are wrong again now.
We warned you about Chump in 2016 and before because he has a long history of racism stretching back decades.
Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2020
Was Donald Trump Never Accused of Racism Before Running Against Democrats?

But you willfully ignored it in the last presidential election and foisted this piece of **** on our good country. Now we eliminate your mess.

VOTE HIM OUT!!

 

[Revoltingest]

Sorry kiddos, you were wrong then, and you are wrong again now.
We warned you about Chump in 2016 and before because he has a long history of racism stretching back decades.
Donald Trump’s long history of racism, from the 1970s to 2020
Was Donald Trump Never Accused of Racism Before Running Against Democrats?

But you willfully ignored it in the last presidential election and foisted this piece of **** on our good country. Now we eliminate your mess.

VOTE HIM OUT!!

Another view....
Trump only won the presidency because the left foisted
Hillary upon us. She might've been the only possible
candidate weak enuf to lose to the likes of The Donald.

Anti-Trumpers still fail to recognize that had she won,
her failures would be the ones now decried. But as a
loser, she has the illusion of perfection, ie, when one
has done nothing in office, one makes no mistakes.

 

[Stevicus]

Another view....
Trump only won the presidency because the left foisted
Hillary upon us. She might've been the only possible
candidate weak enuf to lose to the likes of The Donald.

Anti-Trumpers still fail to recognize that had she won,
her failures would be the ones now decried. But as a
loser, she has the illusion of perfection, ie, when one
has done nothing in office, one makes no mistakes.

I agree that the Democrats blew it by picking Hillary as their candidate, but one can also say that the Republicans blew it by picking Trump as their candidate. Apparently, neither party could come up with anything better, and that's the sad, bitter truth that few people want to face.

The voters invariably have to choose between the lesser of two evils, even though the option to vote for a third party or independent candidate is always there. A lot of people will likely hold their nose and vote for Biden, if only because they can't abide four more years of Trump.

 

[Revoltingest]

I agree that the Democrats blew it by picking Hillary as their candidate, but one can also say that the Republicans blew it by picking Trump as their candidate. Apparently, neither party could come up with anything better, and that's the sad, bitter truth that few people want to face.

Primary voters chose each. So the parties got who they
each wanted most. The complaints about the ones chosen
are typically from the other side. The real bitter truth appears
to be that they gott who they wanted most.

The voters invariably have to choose between the lesser of two evils, even though the option to vote for a third party or independent candidate is always there. A lot of people will likely hold their nose and vote for Biden, if only because they can't abide four more years of Trump.

Tis interesting that the lesser of 2 evils was a harder concept
for me to sell in 2016. It seems more acceptable now.
Several hostile liberals chided me as a "supporter" of
the lesser evil back then. They've wised up, eh.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I agree that the Democrats blew it by picking Hillary as their candidate, but one can also say that the Republicans blew it by picking Trump as their candidate. Apparently, neither party could come up with anything better, and that's the sad, bitter truth that few people want to face.

The voters invariably have to choose between the lesser of two evils, even though the option to vote for a third party or independent candidate is always there. A lot of people will likely hold their nose and vote for Biden, if only because they can't abide four more years of Trump.

I dunno about you, but Im tired of always having to choose the lesser of two evils.

 

[Mindmaster]

That is extremely patronising.
There is no difference between the political intelligence of either black or white voters or for any other colour.

That is not to say people do not have individual levels of intelligence or of education.

Some people vote in a way that is self serving, others vote in a way that is best for their own community,, ideally people vote for what is best for every one.

People of various and different races are perfectly capable of supporting each other against a common problem or when one is being discriminated against.

Political parties tend to promote the lowest common denominator, not the highest.

I'd have to say that while I'd have sympathy from your notion I don't think intelligence has anything to do with it. Tribes do, but there are smart people on both sides of the aisle as well as the dummies -- both of them are in various 'tribes' that vote a certain way. It's not necessarily about race in my opinion at all, but I do a lot of work with African-Americans and some correlation to their cultural identity and voting habits can be made. This isn't so clear with people whom are White or Hispanic, mind you, as there are plenty of variations in that bunch and you're just as likely to find conservatives. Conservatives in the black community are unicorns...

All that being said, the smarties are as likely to vote poorly simply based on tribal pressures. As far as voting for the good of all... I simply have no idea what is really good for you or anyone else -- only me, and people I directly know. No one that's honest is going to believe or even say this is their criteria in voting. They might play lip service to this concept, but if that was the criteria Biden wouldn't have a chance in hell. We are certainly not going to be in a better position with Biden's "America is always for sale to the highest bidder" philosophy, and that's always been the case with him and Presidential candidates/office holders in the Democratic Party. There is no future where aiding China in it's economic warfare with the USA is good for me. So, if any of you would like to vote for the good of all please keep me in mind when you don't vote for that jackal, lol.

 

[Revoltingest]

I dunno about you, but Im tired of always having to choose the lesser of two evils.

That's my normal regarding the Big Two.
One gets used to it.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Is it the place of anyone to speak for others, regardless of skin color? Do people of color need white people to tell them what is best for them?

I think Democrats and liberals in general have no business trying to shame minorities into voting for them. We are not a hive mind. Democrats especially have some nerve shaming black people into voting for them since black people are suffering the most in the inner cities, which are Democratic controlled, and facing gentrification, violence and the same old urban decay that has been a huge problem for decades. When are they going to stop catering to rich white young professionals of the type that have ruined SF (with the Dem's help) and actually stand up for the poor or working class in the cities? They're doing the same thing in my city, which is going the way of SF. Until then I don't want to hear a damn thing about how voting Republican is voting against your interests since the Dems are sold-out corporate whores who lie all the time, too. If Trump is racist, so is Biden. He is the top person who pushed for that 1994 crime bill that led to so many black and brown people being locked up, so he can shove it.

 

[Mindmaster]

Anti-Trumpers still fail to recognize that had she won,
her failures would be the ones now decried. But as a
loser, she has the illusion of perfection, ie, when one
has done nothing in office, one makes no mistakes.

You have a very good point, and likewise it's easy for Biden to spout trash about how Trump handled the pandemic from the sidelines and so on for this very reason as well. The truth is none of us in Trump's position would have a freaking clue what to do any more than he would -- we have our ideas, but let's face it... It's about as no-win of scenario as you can get. You do the right thing people die, you do the wrong thing people die.

Except, in Biden's case we have a very good idea about what he'd do in a pandemic -- aka nothing. Re: Zika and Swine flu. Contrast to Pence who has a very active roll in addressing the COVID concerns.

 

[Revoltingest]

You have a very good point, and likewise it's easy for Biden to spout trash about how Trump handled the pandemic from the sidelines and so on for this very reason as well. The truth is none of us in Trump's position would have a freaking clue what to do any more than he would -- we have our ideas, but let's face it... It's about as no-win of scenario as you can get. You do the right thing people die, you do the wrong thing people die.

Except, in Biden's case we have a very good idea about what he'd do in a pandemic -- aka nothing. Re: Zika and Swine flu. Contrast to Pence who has a very active roll in addressing the COVID concerns.

I see how Trump could've handled Covid better (IMO). But
to challenge his refusal to shut down the economy would've
had its costs, & is far from clearly a better approach.
A hard shut-down would've put more livelihoods at greater risk,
harmed mental health even more, & caused even greater long
term economic damage....offsetting gains due to any lives saved.

It's easy for Biden to say he'd do a better job. But this
is just a campaign claim. They'll say anything to win.

 

[Mindmaster]

I see how Trump could've handled Covid better. But to
challenge his refusal to shut down the economy would've
had its costs, & is far from clearly a better approach.
A shut-down would've put more livelihoods at greater risk,
harmed mental health even more, & caused even greater
long term economic damage....offsetting gains due to any
lives saved.
It's easy for Biden to say he'd do a better job. But this is
just a campaign claim. They'll say anything to win.

Yep, and like I said it's easy to sit there criticizing someone who is dealing with a historic pandemic event. The complexities of the scenario are difficult for everyone and the ball is going to be dropped periodically as the resources are lined up. There has been nothing like this, and there probably never will be again in our lifetimes. We're all still here... Most of us are still afloat... I guess that's all I can ask or expect.

But, while those shutdowns made a great deal of sense in the beginning as we were figuring out treatment protocols I don't think that we're in that situation anymore and the lockdowns are for purely political reasons and being used as a scare tactic. Your chance you'd recover from COVID now is nearly 100%, and it's not March anymore -- we have a good idea of what we're doing with it now.